I think it's safe to declare the big two comic movie companies in rivalry to be Marvel and Fox

[Zontar]

With Logan being a financial and critical hit (the latter to the point of being arguably the best comic book movie ever made) Fox's current X-men continuity has had its 5th movie that has had 1 movie that both slightly underperformed and was critically mixed, 1 decent movie, 1 good movie and 2 great ones. The last two being noteworthy for having an R rating and performing beyond expectations.

With Sony giving up the fight to instead work with Marvel, and D.C. having three movies where all under-performed and where not well regarded critically, with the current movies in production seeming to be train-wreaks waiting to finally crash, well the title says it all: this fight is basically between Marvel and Fox now. Which also isn't a surprise given how they where the first in this rivalry since Sony abandoned pre-Marvel Studios movies before trying and D.C. went out of its way to make a new continuity instead of trying to continue off of the Nolan trilogy.

 

[Hawki]

You couldn't have just made one thread for this?

Well, fine, of the MCU and XMCU ("X-men Cinematic Universe? XCU?), I'll rank them as thus:

MCU

9) Iron Man 2

8) Thor

7) Captain America: The First Avenger

6) The Avengers

5) Captain America: Civil War

4) Guardians of the Galaxy

3) Iron Man

2) Iron Man 3

1) Doctor Strange

Top 3 are "good," rest are "okay," even if Iron Man 2 only just avoids a stamp of "bad."

And as for the XCU:

5) Deadpool

4) X-Men

3) The Last Stand

2) First Class

1) Logan

Of these, Logan and First Class get a stamp of "good," others get a stamp of "okay," even if I despise Deadpool, even more than Iron Man 2. Also, 3 and 4 could swap, since it's been so long since I've seen the first X-Men film.

So, by these ratios, 33% of the MCU is "good," while 40% of the XCU is "good," with the XCU having the best film (Logan) but also the worst film (Deadpool). Also worth nothing that my XCU sampling is much smaller than my MCU sampling, at just over 50%.

But, if I had to pick, I'd say the XCU is superior, in the scope of my experience. If you'd asked me yesterday, before Logan, I'd give it to the MCU.

And as for the DCEU...

3) Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

2) Suicide Squad

1) Man of Steel

BvS gets a stamp of "bad," other two get a stamp of "okay." Better than most MCU films, but still, the DCEU is falling behind for me.

And as for the "Spiderverse" that Sony tried...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zSHz7Thvbc

 

[bartholen_v1legacy]

I think it's a tad early to go declaring such things. Yes, Deadpool and Logan were both great, broke new ground and performed well beyond expectations. But let's not forget Fox's spectacular failure with Fant4stic, and the main X-Men film franchise being in a kind of limbo right now. With perhaps the biggest two actors leaving the franchise with Logan, Lawrence being out of the picture as Mystique, the timeline being more convoluted than an ocean of spaghetti, and Apocalypse being met with "meh" reception, there's not really a clear direction where they could be going right now.

DC still has more brand recognition, though I doubt they'll be able to pull off anything remotely good anymore. Suicide Squad made money though (FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUU---) so their ship isn't entirely sunk yet. To me the superhero movie landscape is in a kind of eye of the storm stillness right now. Marvel movies have become formulaic, predictable and struggle to feel fresh anymore, but still reign supreme, DC is facing its last ditch effort with Justice League and Wonder Woman, and Fox has gained stature with Deadpool and Logan, though two films aren't enough to build an empire out of. This year will be an important one for all three.

 

[Hawki]

But let's not forget their spectacular failure with Fant4stic,

Isn't that in a separate universe from the X-Men films?

 

[bartholen_v1legacy]

But let's not forget their spectacular failure with Fant4stic,

Isn't that in a separate universe from the X-Men films?

Yes, but both are distributed by 20th century fox. Gonna edit that in.

 

[Bob_McMillan]

But let's not forget their spectacular failure with Fant4stic,

Isn't that in a separate universe from the X-Men films?

Yeah, but still done by Fox.

 

[Chimpzy_v1legacy]

Ok then, I'll go over all movies from the 4 big comic book movie companies I've seen and group each by good, ok and bad. Note that the groups for each company are not ranked in any way. A movie's placement in a group is based purely on my personal enjoyment of the movie, not any kind of artistic merit or faithfulness to the source material.

Spoiler: Marvel Studios

Good
Guardians of the Galaxy
Iron Man
Doctor Strange
The Avenger
Captain America Winter Soldier

Ok
Captain America The First Avenger
Captain America Civil War
Thor
Avenger Age of Ultron
Ant-Man
Iron Man 3

Bad
Iron Man 2
Thor The Dark World
The Incredible Hulk
Punisher War Zone (produced by Marvel, not distributed, but I'm still counting it)

Spoiler: Warner Bros

Good
Batman
The Dark Knight
V For Vendetta
Constantine

Ok
Batman Returns
Batman Forever (guilty pleasure)
Batman Begins
The Dark Knight Rises
Batman v Superman (solely on the strenght of Ben Affleck & Jeremy Irons' performances. Without those, it lands deep in Bad)
Superman II Richard Donner Cut
Watchmen
Superman Returns

Bad
Suicide Squad
Man of Steel
Steel
Jonah Hex
Green Lantern
Batman & Robin
Catwoman

Spoiler: 20th Century Fox

Good
X-Men 2
X-Men First Class
Deadpool
Logan
Ok
X-Men
X-Men Days of Future Past
X-Men Age of Apocalypse
The Wolverine
Bad
Daredevil
Electra
X-Men The Last Stand
X-Men Origins Wolverine
Fantastic Four
Fantastic Four Rise of the Silver Surfer
Fant4stic

Spoiler: Columbia Pictures (Sony)

Good
Spider-Man 2
Ok
Spider-Man
Bad
Spider-Man 3
Amazing Spider-Man
Amazing Spider-Man 2
Ghost Rider
Ghost Rider Spirit of Vengeance

Ok, so it turns out the way I listed them is also the way I'd rank them according to my personal opinions.

Marvel Studios: 5 Good, 6 Ok, 4 Bad
Warner Bros: 4 Good, 8 Ok, 7 Bad
20th Century Fox: 4 Good, 4 Ok, 7 Bad
Columbia Pictures/Sony: 1 Good, 1 Ok, 5 Bad

That's my 2 cents. Mind you, even though Fox is 3rd overall, I do think it lays claim to the best movie with Logan.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Didn't X-Men Apocalypse failed miserably?

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Ok then, I'll go over all movies from the 4 big comic book movie companies I've seen and group each by good, ok and bad. Note that the groups for each company are not ranked in any way. A movie's placement in a group is based purely on my personal enjoyment of the movie, not any kind of artistic merit or faithfulness to the source material.

Spoiler: Marvel Studios

Good
Guardians of the Galaxy
Iron Man
Doctor Strange
The Avenger
Captain America Winter Soldier

Ok
Captain America The First Avenger
Captain America Civil War
Thor
Avenger Age of Ultron
Ant-Man
Iron Man 3

Bad
Iron Man 2
Thor The Dark World
The Incredible Hulk
Punisher War Zone (produced by Marvel, not distributed, but I'm still counting it)

Spoiler: Warner Bros

Good
Batman
The Dark Knight
V For Vendetta
Constantine

Ok
Batman Returns
Batman Forever (guilty pleasure)
Batman Begins
The Dark Knight Rises
Batman v Superman (solely on the strenght of Ben Affleck & Jeremy Irons' performances. Without those, it lands deep in Bad)
Superman II Richard Donner Cut
Watchmen
Superman Returns

Bad
Suicide Squad
Man of Steel
Steel
Jonah Hex
Green Lantern
Batman & Robin
Catwoman

Spoiler: 20th Century Fox

Good
X-Men 2
X-Men First Class
Deadpool
Logan
Ok
X-Men
X-Men Days of Future Past
X-Men Age of Apocalypse
The Wolverine
Bad
Daredevil
Electra
X-Men The Last Stand
X-Men Origins Wolverine
Fantastic Four
Fantastic Four Rise of the Silver Surfer
Fant4stic

Spoiler: Columbia Pictures (Sony)

Good
Spider-Man 2
Ok
Spider-Man
Bad
Spider-Man 3
Amazing Spider-Man
Amazing Spider-Man 2
Ghost Rider
Ghost Rider Spirit of Vengeance

Ok, so it turns out the way I listed them is also the way I'd rank them according to my personal opinions.

Marvel Studios: 5 Good, 6 Ok, 4 Bad
Warner Bros: 4 Good, 8 Ok, 7 Bad
20th Century Fox: 4 Good, 4 Ok, 7 Bad
Columbia Pictures/Sony: 1 Good, 1 Ok, 5 Bad

That's my 2 cents. Mind you, even though Fox is 3rd overall, I do think it lays claim to the best movie with Logan.

Superman Returns was boring Compared to Man of Steel.

Even as a kid watching it I was bored to death after the falling plane sequence.

Man of Steel should be in the OK category don't you dare compare it to shit like Catwoman and Electra.

 

[King Billi]

"In rivalry"?

"this fight"?

Umm... For what exactly? Bragging rights? Critical acclaim? The Iron Throne? What?

Is there any real worth in the perceived value granted by random commenters on the internet.

If you lined up every comic book film adaptation made since the X-Men I'm sure the bad would vastly outnumber the good as determined by the esteemed judges of the internet. To put it another way there are a lot more 'X-Men The last stand's then their are 'Logan's'

I'm also sure most would have probably made a tidy profit, even some of the widely proclaimed "worst comic book film's ever!"

I wonder which of those metrics the studio's care the most about?

 

[McElroy]

Didn't X-Men Apocalypse failed miserably?

Made 3 times its budget. It wasn't too good of a movie, but serviceable at least to the producers.

OT: I'll agree. Though my excitement for these films, especially Marvel's, is probably gone for good. The Wolverine was decent, and while it was still somewhat aimed at the same demographic as Marvel's stuff and Age of Apocalypse, Logan doesn't seem like that at all. And that's good. Ant-Man - the cartooniest, "for kids" MCU film - isn't tonally very different from the other Disney-owned Marvel flicks bar Winter Soldier.

 

[Chimpzy_v1legacy]

snip

Superman Returns was boring. Compared to Man of Steel.

Both are flawed with plenty of plot holes and illogical stupid stuff, and yes, Man of Steel is better in the action and visual department. But I find MoS severely lacking in several key aspects. Returns ranks lowest in my Ok list and Man of Steel is highest in my Bad section. Returns would be in the Bad section if it wasn't for the following:

- Returns has that sense of optimism I like in Superman and that most live action or animated adaptations also have. Man of Steel does not.
- I like Brandon Routh's performance of both Clark Kent and Superman a lot more than Henry Cavill's. I'd even go so far as to call Cavill Superman an unlikeable git. Not quite sure whether the fault for that lies with Henry Cavill's acting, Goyer's writing or Snyder's directing.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

snip

Superman Returns was boring. Compared to Man of Steel.

Both are flawed with plenty of plot holes and illogical stupid stuff, and yes, Man of Steel is better in the action and visual department. But I find MoS severely lacking in several key aspects. Returns ranks lowest in my Ok list and Man of Steel is highest in my Bad section. Returns would be in the Bad section if it wasn't for the following:

- Returns has that sense of optimism I like in Superman and that most live action or animated adaptations also have. Man of Steel does not.
- I like Brandon Routh's performance of both Clark Kent and Superman a lot more than Henry Cavill's. I'd even go so far as to call Cavill Superman an unlikeable git. Not quite sure whether the fault for that lies with Henry Cavill's acting, Goyer's writing or Snyder's directing.

I do not like Routh as Superman because he looks like Nancy Boy, and Superman should not look like a nancy boy.

And I am sure its not Cavill because the man is actually pretty charming:


If you wan a completely unlikeable Superman look at Superman in Justice League Act of God, at least Cavill's Superman DID something heroic.

Act of God Superman just becomes a drunken bum after losing his Powers and does nothing heroic at all.

 

[CyanCat47_v1legacy]

The x-men universe has gotten far more mixed reception and releases much less frequently. X-men movies are making decent cash, but by my estimates logan was the first great x-men film in 6 years, and before that first class was the first great one in 8 years. The lulls in quality and comparably infrequent schedule simply keep up with marvel, who realease 2 to 3 per year, and usually one good or Ok movie per year. Fox is the second best, but nowhere near an actual rivalry.

And even as bad as the DCU is, with its best possible future prospect being "Well at least Wonder Woman was ok", it's still making money based off big names. Batman and super man are the two most sold comic books in the world, so iconic that even people with no knowledge of comic books know who they are. The only real question is how long DC can continue to bank on that, and whether the actors will be willing to keep associating their names with 2/10 moves

 

[COMaestro]

If we are going just by current releases, then yes, I agree with the premise of this thread. DC keeps trying and failing to make what I would consider to be a good movie ever since Nolan stopped making Batman movies. Suicide Squad was their best effort and it was okay, but none of the movies have been "good" though I am holding out hope for Wonder Woman.

Compare DC's attempts with Fox's recent efforts and there's just no contest. The new X-Men movies (First Class and forward) have all been pretty solid, with a bit of a misstep with Apocalypse, Logan (which I lump in with the "old" X-Men movies, 1-3) was great, Deadpool was great and their only great mistake was F4, but I blame that more on Fox desperately holding onto the license just to keep it away from Marvel.

Marvel just keeps hitting them out of the park. Even their weakest entries are still entertaining and their best are masterpieces.

If Fox keeps up their momentum and DC fails to get their act together, then this thread title will be accurate for some time to come, I feel.

 

[Mangod]

Ok then, I'll go over all movies from the 4 big comic book movie companies I've seen and group each by good, ok and bad. Note that the groups for each company are not ranked in any way. A movie's placement in a group is based purely on my personal enjoyment of the movie, not any kind of artistic merit or faithfulness to the source material.

Spoiler: Marvel Studios

Good
Guardians of the Galaxy
Iron Man
Doctor Strange
The Avenger
Captain America Winter Soldier

Ok
Captain America The First Avenger
Captain America Civil War
Thor
Avenger Age of Ultron
Ant-Man
Iron Man 3

Bad
Iron Man 2
Thor The Dark World
The Incredible Hulk
Punisher War Zone (produced by Marvel, not distributed, but I'm still counting it)

Spoiler: Warner Bros

Good
Batman
The Dark Knight
V For Vendetta
Constantine

Ok
Batman Returns
Batman Forever (guilty pleasure)
Batman Begins
The Dark Knight Rises
Batman v Superman (solely on the strenght of Ben Affleck & Jeremy Irons' performances. Without those, it lands deep in Bad)
Superman II Richard Donner Cut
Watchmen
Superman Returns

Bad
Suicide Squad
Man of Steel
Steel
Jonah Hex
Green Lantern
Batman & Robin
Catwoman

Spoiler: 20th Century Fox

Good
X-Men 2
X-Men First Class
Deadpool
Logan
Ok
X-Men
X-Men Days of Future Past
X-Men Age of Apocalypse
The Wolverine
Bad
Daredevil
Electra
X-Men The Last Stand
X-Men Origins Wolverine
Fantastic Four
Fantastic Four Rise of the Silver Surfer
Fant4stic

Spoiler: Columbia Pictures (Sony)

Good
Spider-Man 2
Ok
Spider-Man
Bad
Spider-Man 3
Amazing Spider-Man
Amazing Spider-Man 2
Ghost Rider
Ghost Rider Spirit of Vengeance

Ok, so it turns out the way I listed them is also the way I'd rank them according to my personal opinions.

Marvel Studios: 5 Good, 6 Ok, 4 Bad
Warner Bros: 4 Good, 8 Ok, 7 Bad
20th Century Fox: 4 Good, 4 Ok, 7 Bad
Columbia Pictures/Sony: 1 Good, 1 Ok, 5 Bad

That's my 2 cents. Mind you, even though Fox is 3rd overall, I do think it lays claim to the best movie with Logan.

Ok, if we're including Batman, -Returns, -Forever and -& Robin, as well as Punisher: War Zone, I feel it's a little strange to leave out the Blade films. Yeah, New Line, but still.

snip

Superman Returns was boring. Compared to Man of Steel.

Both are flawed with plenty of plot holes and illogical stupid stuff, and yes, Man of Steel is better in the action and visual department. But I find MoS severely lacking in several key aspects. Returns ranks lowest in my Ok list and Man of Steel is highest in my Bad section. Returns would be in the Bad section if it wasn't for the following:

- Returns has that sense of optimism I like in Superman and that most live action or animated adaptations also have. Man of Steel does not.
- I like Brandon Routh's performance of both Clark Kent and Superman a lot more than Henry Cavill's. I'd even go so far as to call Cavill Superman an unlikeable git. Not quite sure whether the fault for that lies with Henry Cavill's acting, Goyer's writing or Snyder's directing.

I do not like Routh as Superman because he looks like Nancy Boy, and Superman should not look like a nancy boy.

And I am sure its not Cavill because the man is actually pretty charming:


If you wan a completely unlikeable Superman look at Superman in Justice League Act of God, at least Cavill's Superman DID something heroic.

Act of God Superman just becomes a drunken bum after losing his Powers and does nothing heroic at all.

God, what the f*** where they thinking when they wrote that? I've seen Bat-wank plenty of times, but Act of God sets the gold standard for Bat-wank. Not a single other character, with the possible exception of Steel, comes across well.

Edit: And any problems with Man of Steel and/or BvS I place firmly on the shoulders of the director (Zack Snyder) and writers (Chris Terrio, David S. Goyer).

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Ok then, I'll go over all movies from the 4 big comic book movie companies I've seen and group each by good, ok and bad. Note that the groups for each company are not ranked in any way. A movie's placement in a group is based purely on my personal enjoyment of the movie, not any kind of artistic merit or faithfulness to the source material.

Spoiler: Marvel Studios

Good
Guardians of the Galaxy
Iron Man
Doctor Strange
The Avenger
Captain America Winter Soldier

Ok
Captain America The First Avenger
Captain America Civil War
Thor
Avenger Age of Ultron
Ant-Man
Iron Man 3

Bad
Iron Man 2
Thor The Dark World
The Incredible Hulk
Punisher War Zone (produced by Marvel, not distributed, but I'm still counting it)

Spoiler: Warner Bros

Good
Batman
The Dark Knight
V For Vendetta
Constantine

Ok
Batman Returns
Batman Forever (guilty pleasure)
Batman Begins
The Dark Knight Rises
Batman v Superman (solely on the strenght of Ben Affleck & Jeremy Irons' performances. Without those, it lands deep in Bad)
Superman II Richard Donner Cut
Watchmen
Superman Returns

Bad
Suicide Squad
Man of Steel
Steel
Jonah Hex
Green Lantern
Batman & Robin
Catwoman

Spoiler: 20th Century Fox

Good
X-Men 2
X-Men First Class
Deadpool
Logan
Ok
X-Men
X-Men Days of Future Past
X-Men Age of Apocalypse
The Wolverine
Bad
Daredevil
Electra
X-Men The Last Stand
X-Men Origins Wolverine
Fantastic Four
Fantastic Four Rise of the Silver Surfer
Fant4stic

Spoiler: Columbia Pictures (Sony)

Good
Spider-Man 2
Ok
Spider-Man
Bad
Spider-Man 3
Amazing Spider-Man
Amazing Spider-Man 2
Ghost Rider
Ghost Rider Spirit of Vengeance

Ok, so it turns out the way I listed them is also the way I'd rank them according to my personal opinions.

Marvel Studios: 5 Good, 6 Ok, 4 Bad
Warner Bros: 4 Good, 8 Ok, 7 Bad
20th Century Fox: 4 Good, 4 Ok, 7 Bad
Columbia Pictures/Sony: 1 Good, 1 Ok, 5 Bad

That's my 2 cents. Mind you, even though Fox is 3rd overall, I do think it lays claim to the best movie with Logan.

Ok, if we're including Batman, -Returns, -Forever and -& Robin, as well as Punisher: War Zone, I feel it's a little strange to leave out the Blade films. Yeah, New Line, but still.

snip

Superman Returns was boring. Compared to Man of Steel.

Both are flawed with plenty of plot holes and illogical stupid stuff, and yes, Man of Steel is better in the action and visual department. But I find MoS severely lacking in several key aspects. Returns ranks lowest in my Ok list and Man of Steel is highest in my Bad section. Returns would be in the Bad section if it wasn't for the following:

- Returns has that sense of optimism I like in Superman and that most live action or animated adaptations also have. Man of Steel does not.
- I like Brandon Routh's performance of both Clark Kent and Superman a lot more than Henry Cavill's. I'd even go so far as to call Cavill Superman an unlikeable git. Not quite sure whether the fault for that lies with Henry Cavill's acting, Goyer's writing or Snyder's directing.

I do not like Routh as Superman because he looks like Nancy Boy, and Superman should not look like a nancy boy.

And I am sure its not Cavill because the man is actually pretty charming:


If you wan a completely unlikeable Superman look at Superman in Justice League Act of God, at least Cavill's Superman DID something heroic.

Act of God Superman just becomes a drunken bum after losing his Powers and does nothing heroic at all.

God, what the f*** where they thinking when they wrote that? I've seen Bat-wank plenty of times, but Act of God sets the gold standard for Bat-wank. Not a single other character, with the possible exception of Steel, comes across well.

Its because of that Comic Book that I now dislike Batman for what he represents. That he is the most overrated and overpraised hero in existance. He undeservedly became the face of DC and don't give me that whole "DC means detective comics"

Batman was introduced in Detective Comics #27

Superman came before Batman, Superman was the first proper Superhero.

 

[MCerberus]

Batwank is why I don't generally like DC comics with Batman anywhere near it. Exception being The Question, which at current (or maybe not. effing reboots) is set in Gotham. The movies have gone Miller on us too. Ugh.

OT- in terms of Grosses, it's still Marvel vs DC. Fox is by far the spunky underdog. At least they've been trying new stuff instead of sitting on a formula and desperately trying to copy the formula but adding EDGEY.

 

[Mangod]

Ok then, I'll go over all movies from the 4 big comic book movie companies I've seen and group each by good, ok and bad. Note that the groups for each company are not ranked in any way. A movie's placement in a group is based purely on my personal enjoyment of the movie, not any kind of artistic merit or faithfulness to the source material.

Spoiler: Marvel Studios

Good
Guardians of the Galaxy
Iron Man
Doctor Strange
The Avenger
Captain America Winter Soldier

Ok
Captain America The First Avenger
Captain America Civil War
Thor
Avenger Age of Ultron
Ant-Man
Iron Man 3

Bad
Iron Man 2
Thor The Dark World
The Incredible Hulk
Punisher War Zone (produced by Marvel, not distributed, but I'm still counting it)

Spoiler: Warner Bros

Good
Batman
The Dark Knight
V For Vendetta
Constantine

Ok
Batman Returns
Batman Forever (guilty pleasure)
Batman Begins
The Dark Knight Rises
Batman v Superman (solely on the strenght of Ben Affleck & Jeremy Irons' performances. Without those, it lands deep in Bad)
Superman II Richard Donner Cut
Watchmen
Superman Returns

Bad
Suicide Squad
Man of Steel
Steel
Jonah Hex
Green Lantern
Batman & Robin
Catwoman

Spoiler: 20th Century Fox

Good
X-Men 2
X-Men First Class
Deadpool
Logan
Ok
X-Men
X-Men Days of Future Past
X-Men Age of Apocalypse
The Wolverine
Bad
Daredevil
Electra
X-Men The Last Stand
X-Men Origins Wolverine
Fantastic Four
Fantastic Four Rise of the Silver Surfer
Fant4stic

Spoiler: Columbia Pictures (Sony)

Good
Spider-Man 2
Ok
Spider-Man
Bad
Spider-Man 3
Amazing Spider-Man
Amazing Spider-Man 2
Ghost Rider
Ghost Rider Spirit of Vengeance

Ok, so it turns out the way I listed them is also the way I'd rank them according to my personal opinions.

Marvel Studios: 5 Good, 6 Ok, 4 Bad
Warner Bros: 4 Good, 8 Ok, 7 Bad
20th Century Fox: 4 Good, 4 Ok, 7 Bad
Columbia Pictures/Sony: 1 Good, 1 Ok, 5 Bad

That's my 2 cents. Mind you, even though Fox is 3rd overall, I do think it lays claim to the best movie with Logan.

Ok, if we're including Batman, -Returns, -Forever and -& Robin, as well as Punisher: War Zone, I feel it's a little strange to leave out the Blade films. Yeah, New Line, but still.

snip

Superman Returns was boring. Compared to Man of Steel.

Both are flawed with plenty of plot holes and illogical stupid stuff, and yes, Man of Steel is better in the action and visual department. But I find MoS severely lacking in several key aspects. Returns ranks lowest in my Ok list and Man of Steel is highest in my Bad section. Returns would be in the Bad section if it wasn't for the following:

- Returns has that sense of optimism I like in Superman and that most live action or animated adaptations also have. Man of Steel does not.
- I like Brandon Routh's performance of both Clark Kent and Superman a lot more than Henry Cavill's. I'd even go so far as to call Cavill Superman an unlikeable git. Not quite sure whether the fault for that lies with Henry Cavill's acting, Goyer's writing or Snyder's directing.

I do not like Routh as Superman because he looks like Nancy Boy, and Superman should not look like a nancy boy.

And I am sure its not Cavill because the man is actually pretty charming:


If you wan a completely unlikeable Superman look at Superman in Justice League Act of God, at least Cavill's Superman DID something heroic.

Act of God Superman just becomes a drunken bum after losing his Powers and does nothing heroic at all.

God, what the f*** where they thinking when they wrote that? I've seen Bat-wank plenty of times, but Act of God sets the gold standard for Bat-wank. Not a single other character, with the possible exception of Steel, comes across well.

Its because of that Comic Book that I now dislike Batman for what he represents. That he is the most overrated and overpraised hero in existance. He undeservedly became the face of DC and don't give me that whole "DC means detective comics"

Batman was introduced in Detective Comics #27

Superman came before Batman, Superman was the first proper Superhero.

I'd argue that title goes to The Shadow [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shadow], since he predates Supes by 8 years, and he's basically the inspiration for Batman. Agreed on the other point, though - Batman is to DC what Wolverine was to Marvel: he's everywhere, to the point where the character just feels played out. Unless it's an Elseworlds comic, he's just not worth reading.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Ok then, I'll go over all movies from the 4 big comic book movie companies I've seen and group each by good, ok and bad. Note that the groups for each company are not ranked in any way. A movie's placement in a group is based purely on my personal enjoyment of the movie, not any kind of artistic merit or faithfulness to the source material.

Spoiler: Marvel Studios

Good
Guardians of the Galaxy
Iron Man
Doctor Strange
The Avenger
Captain America Winter Soldier

Ok
Captain America The First Avenger
Captain America Civil War
Thor
Avenger Age of Ultron
Ant-Man
Iron Man 3

Bad
Iron Man 2
Thor The Dark World
The Incredible Hulk
Punisher War Zone (produced by Marvel, not distributed, but I'm still counting it)

Spoiler: Warner Bros

Good
Batman
The Dark Knight
V For Vendetta
Constantine

Ok
Batman Returns
Batman Forever (guilty pleasure)
Batman Begins
The Dark Knight Rises
Batman v Superman (solely on the strenght of Ben Affleck & Jeremy Irons' performances. Without those, it lands deep in Bad)
Superman II Richard Donner Cut
Watchmen
Superman Returns

Bad
Suicide Squad
Man of Steel
Steel
Jonah Hex
Green Lantern
Batman & Robin
Catwoman

Spoiler: 20th Century Fox

Good
X-Men 2
X-Men First Class
Deadpool
Logan
Ok
X-Men
X-Men Days of Future Past
X-Men Age of Apocalypse
The Wolverine
Bad
Daredevil
Electra
X-Men The Last Stand
X-Men Origins Wolverine
Fantastic Four
Fantastic Four Rise of the Silver Surfer
Fant4stic

Spoiler: Columbia Pictures (Sony)

Good
Spider-Man 2
Ok
Spider-Man
Bad
Spider-Man 3
Amazing Spider-Man
Amazing Spider-Man 2
Ghost Rider
Ghost Rider Spirit of Vengeance

Ok, so it turns out the way I listed them is also the way I'd rank them according to my personal opinions.

Marvel Studios: 5 Good, 6 Ok, 4 Bad
Warner Bros: 4 Good, 8 Ok, 7 Bad
20th Century Fox: 4 Good, 4 Ok, 7 Bad
Columbia Pictures/Sony: 1 Good, 1 Ok, 5 Bad

That's my 2 cents. Mind you, even though Fox is 3rd overall, I do think it lays claim to the best movie with Logan.

Ok, if we're including Batman, -Returns, -Forever and -& Robin, as well as Punisher: War Zone, I feel it's a little strange to leave out the Blade films. Yeah, New Line, but still.

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Superman Returns was boring. Compared to Man of Steel.

Both are flawed with plenty of plot holes and illogical stupid stuff, and yes, Man of Steel is better in the action and visual department. But I find MoS severely lacking in several key aspects. Returns ranks lowest in my Ok list and Man of Steel is highest in my Bad section. Returns would be in the Bad section if it wasn't for the following:

- Returns has that sense of optimism I like in Superman and that most live action or animated adaptations also have. Man of Steel does not.
- I like Brandon Routh's performance of both Clark Kent and Superman a lot more than Henry Cavill's. I'd even go so far as to call Cavill Superman an unlikeable git. Not quite sure whether the fault for that lies with Henry Cavill's acting, Goyer's writing or Snyder's directing.

I do not like Routh as Superman because he looks like Nancy Boy, and Superman should not look like a nancy boy.

And I am sure its not Cavill because the man is actually pretty charming:


If you wan a completely unlikeable Superman look at Superman in Justice League Act of God, at least Cavill's Superman DID something heroic.

Act of God Superman just becomes a drunken bum after losing his Powers and does nothing heroic at all.

God, what the f*** where they thinking when they wrote that? I've seen Bat-wank plenty of times, but Act of God sets the gold standard for Bat-wank. Not a single other character, with the possible exception of Steel, comes across well.

Its because of that Comic Book that I now dislike Batman for what he represents. That he is the most overrated and overpraised hero in existance. He undeservedly became the face of DC and don't give me that whole "DC means detective comics"

Batman was introduced in Detective Comics #27

Superman came before Batman, Superman was the first proper Superhero.

I'd argue that title goes to The Shadow [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shadow], since he predates Supes by 8 years, and he's basically the inspiration for Batman. Agreed on the other point, though - Batman is to DC what Wolverine was to Marvel: he's everywhere, to the point where the character just feels played out. Unless it's an Elseworlds comic, he's just not worth reading.

I thought it was Spiderman that was the Batman to Marvel, not Wolverine?