I think Lulzec are funny.

[EchetusXe]

Anonymous has been around for some eight years now. Will LulzSec last that long? Well at the minute they don't seem to have any purpose or point, like attacking Scientologists or whatever. They have captured public attention with these attacks on (relatively) high profile websites.

Gain attention
Find purpose
?????????????
Get a life


As for funny. Funny? The Great Habbo Raid of 07, hackers on steroids (ok, technically that was Fox). That stuff was funny. I dunno man, back in the day raiding meant something.

 

[Brandon237]

I think they're hilarious.
Keep the lulz coming.

I'm sure you'll be saying that when they release your personal and financial details... Or your parent's for that matter if you don't really have any of your own. They are causing major damage and inconvenience to thousands of people, and with NO sense of moderation. They even attacked this site.

 

[No_Remainders]

I think, that they are causing no real harm to any of us, and are actually quite funny. They do good deeds too: Such as hacking into the NHS (National Health Service), but then just emailing them to make them aware of the security vulnerabilities they found. Or when they entered a hacking contest, won it, and turned down the $10,000 prize.

They're not complete bastards. I mean, they're not 'Anonymous' for fucks sake.

EDIT: Oh, and it's just kinda funny to see what shit they do.

Yep. No damage to anyone.

I mean, it's not like releasing 62,000 email and password combinations (which included some of my friends' ones, sadly) wasn't "damaging". Or yeah, the Sony attacks weren't damaging at all.

Yeah, no, you're wrong. They need to be stopped.

And anyway, your point about them not being "Anonymous" is a terrible argument.

Anonymous have a goal. Freedom of speech. LulzSec have a totally different goal. "Causing Mayhem".

 

[No_Remainders]

Ya see here's the thing though, if you are using the same password for everything and leave yourself open to something like losing everything like that in one go round, you are kinda equally at fault by way of your own negligence.

What about if, say, you have a different password for everything, but you use the same email for your Paypal as you do MSN & Xbox Live.

So in other words, person goes to PayPal, requests a new password. Bam. You lose that.

 

[Emergent]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_hat

That is all.
Edit: I still do think they're blackhat though.

If anything, Lulsec are white-hat hackers (they currently espouse full disclosure, grey-hats and black-hats do not). The shade-based hacker classification system (tm) is more complicated than white=good, black=bad, grey=somewhere in between.

EDIT: In fact, among the more old-school hacking types, they're considered to be doing EXACTLY the right thing by releasing these details. Grey-hats are typically mercenaries or part-time security professionals that directly profit from their "benevolent" hacking, benefiting the public less and themselves and private corporations more (the individual company might benefit, but the exploit still exists worldwide and can be used against other companies), whereas black hat hackers would never expose discovered security flaws, except to other black hats (usually for a price).

The reason white hat hacking is considered (by many old-school hackers) to generate the most public benefit is that it provides the fastest response (companies have no choice but to fix the problem once it's been publicly exposed) as well as benefiting the most possible people (the company can't decide to hide the vulnerability rather than fixing it, and more than one company benefits from the discovery).

But tens of thousands of personal account data was compromised! How could that possibly be good for anyone?

I'm glad you asked! The logic behind white hat behavior is as follows: If you disclose the data in private, the company might ignore your warnings, delay in fixing the problem, or only make a token effort to close the loophole in their system, leaving potentially millions of users at risk. Simply telling the public about the exploit without releasing the data defeats the point as well, as it becomes very easy for the company to deny the leak while also suddenly making the public very exposed. The idea here is to go with the lesser of two evils. Yes, people's data have been exposed, but at least now they know about it, and if the data had not been released they were at a very real risk of having it taken and not knowing.

A quick recap, in case that was confusing:
Color: Ethics: Stance
---------------------
White: Idealists: Full disclosure of data
Grey: Mercenaries: Partial disclosure for profit
Black: Criminals: No disclosure

 

[Neonit]

i dont give a damn about things like pron emails and such, what i do care about is, that there are people who will turn bullshit like this into a reason "why should we control internet more" by the government. just wait until new laws will be passed that limit internet freedom. so much for "lulz" then.

im pretty sure they are already doing this as we speak.


also, free pron will disappear, do you really want this to happen?!

 

[DustStorm]

They're attempting to bring issues of internet security out into the view of the public by hacking large companies, such as Sony, and by publishing e-mail addresses and passwords. While the activities that they undertake are completely illegal they do have a repsectable goal but their means are deplorable, to say the least.

 

[Findlebob]

They get in the way of my gamming, for that i hate them.

 

[BlueMage]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_hat

That is all.
Edit: I still do think they're blackhat though.

If anything, Lulsec are white-hat hackers (they currently espouse full disclosure, grey-hats and black-hats do not). The shade-based hacker classification system (tm) is more complicated than white=good, black=bad, grey=somewhere in between.

EDIT: In fact, among the more old-school hacking types, they're considered to be doing EXACTLY the right thing by releasing these details. Grey-hats are typically mercenaries or part-time security professionals that directly profit from their "benevolent" hacking, benefiting the public less and themselves and private corporations more (the individual company might benefit, but the exploit still exists worldwide and can be used against other companies), whereas black hat hackers would never expose discovered security flaws, except to other black hats (usually for a price).

The reason white hat hacking is considered (by many old-school hackers) to generate the most public benefit is that it provides the fastest response (companies have no choice but to fix the problem once it's been publicly exposed) as well as benefiting the most possible people (the company can't decide to hide the vulnerability rather than fixing it, and more than one company benefits from the discovery).

But tens of thousands of personal account data was compromised! How could that possibly be good for anyone?

I'm glad you asked! The logic behind white hat behavior is as follows: If you disclose the data in private, the company might ignore your warnings, delay in fixing the problem, or only make a token effort to close the loophole in their system, leaving potentially millions of users at risk. Simply telling the public about the exploit without releasing the data defeats the point as well, as it becomes very easy for the company to deny the leak while also suddenly making the public very exposed. The idea here is to go with the lesser of two evils. Yes, people's data have been exposed, but at least now they know about it, and if the data had not been released they were at a very real risk of having it taken and not knowing.

A quick recap, in case that was confusing:
Color: Ethics: Stance
---------------------
White: Idealists: Full disclosure of data
Grey: Mercenaries: Partial disclosure for profit
Black: Criminals: No disclosure

FINALLY. Someone who understands.

 

[Emergent]

What bait? The Lulsec incident is funny. Things can indeed be tragic and funny at the same time. For those who don't understand that, the world must be a bland place indeed.

captcha: Resolution shotld (no really!)

 

[Jabberwock xeno]

I think they are less harmful than we originally thought, but still a nuisance.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

No now lets stop giving them attention.

 

[Balobo]

http://lulzsecexposed.blogspot.com/search/label/Lulzsec Hey, just a heads up

 

[Balobo]

Sorry, didn't mean to make this post.