I think Lulzec are funny.

[soulfire130]

I think, that they are causing no real harm to any of us, and are actually quite funny. They do good deeds too: Such as hacking into the NHS (National Health Service), but then just emailing them to make them aware of the security vulnerabilities they found. Or when they entered a hacking contest, won it, and turned down the $10,000 prize.

They're not complete bastards. I mean, they're not 'Anonymous' for fucks sake.

EDIT: Oh, and it's just kinda funny to see what shit they do.

Do you really think the people are going to take the word of a hacker that hacked then? Also, do you know how much it costs to do damage assesment?

ITs are the ones are the ones that check the security of anything that is connected to the internet not random hackers.

Also, atleast Anonymous is not hacking sites "for the lulz."

 

[godofallu]

that they are causing no real harm to any of us,

They took down The Escapist for almost a whole day for shits and giggles. It was the tuesday just gone too and I couldn't access a message I had that TAUNTED ME SO MUCH!

OT: I don't find them that funny. The NHS thing, and some other good things, fine, but when they take down websites and take away services from players, like how they keep taking down EVE Online, a game I don't even play, I physically can't find it funny.

Calumon: I didn't know bullying was fun now... : (

They took down the Escapist? How did I miss that?

Well then I guess we're at war.

 

[Grey Walker]

Who cares? At least they TELL everyone what they do. Imagine if they just found out all this stuff and then started using it to rip your credit card off.

But if they did that then it could be tracked to them and they could be identified as a member.

By posting it online for everyone to see they make it impossible for anyone using the information to be associated with LulzSec.

 

[Stormz]

Yeah I'm sure it's funny to have all your information hacked and then have your identity stolen...fucking hilarious.

 

[babinro]

I couldn't disagree more.

Through their actions, they steal private customer information, reveal it to the public and inconvenience not only the company, but it's customer base who does not have any control of the situation. In other words, they hurt the general public first, and corporations second.

Even if Lulzec has no bad intentions with the data, the fact that it is made public means people who HAVE bad intentions now have information to work with before the customer has time to act on it.

Like any police force or position of power...there are certainly some within Lulzec that are acting in personal gain and intend to cause legitimate harm.

The costs required to repair such attacks and make reparations will cost people careers and very much hurt some families. Added security should be placed on sites from the beginning, but it is hardly a profit building expense...these costs will force a businesses to make cuts elsewhere such as through job cuts or increased costs to the customer.

Lastly, if you're genuinely concerned with a company's practice or security...take the proper avenues in order to improve it. Tell them where the system is weak and how it could easily be exploited giving them a chance to make those fixes without major problems.

 

[Clive Howlitzer]

You sir have a very twisted sense of humor. The scary thing is I am sure you aren't alone. I've seen many threads supporting them. Boggles my mind. Would you think it was amusing if your personal information was given out and your identity stolen? If its never happened to you, you can't fathom what a pain in the ass it is.
I personally would love to see all of these hackers in jail.

Remember there is a large contingent of gamers out there who are not old enough to have any assets to protect let alone own credit cards to steal. They don't know what it's like to have earned something of value. Remember that a website like this is a business like any other. Someone spent tens of thousands of dollars to set this all up just so idiots can burn it down 'for teh lulz'.

So true. I forget sometimes that I am old timer when it comes to gaming.

 

[intheweeds]

Who cares? At least they TELL everyone what they do. Imagine if they just found out all this stuff and then started using it to rip your credit card off.

But if they did that then it could be tracked to them and they could be identified as a member.

By posting it online for everyone to see they make it impossible for anyone using the information to be associated with LulzSec.

i feel like the only reason they aren't in jail yet is because no one has bothered to find them. I mean come on, they have a friggin hotline! which apparently was shut down yesterday and now they have a new one. how the hell do you set up a truly 'anonymous' phone line? they can't be on the move constantly while hacking and tweeting and taking calls, how has no one found them? They simply must not be looking yet. I would imagine the feds at least in the states are too focused on Anonymous just now, but that's just a theory i have.

 

[Mute52]

Lulzsec are really funny.

...Until you lost your e-mail, xbox live, facebook, and paypal account.

 

[GestaltEsper]

Lulzsec has already released tens of thousands of peoples personal login info and encouraged people to use it. That has (according to twitter) led to more than a few paypal thefts. Granted they didn't steal the money themselves, but to me it is the equivalent of stealing the keys to the bank vault and handing them out to strangers with a little note telling them where the keys fit. Sure, they didn't actually steal the money, but money would never had been stolen were it not for them.

Edit: although your quite right i'm sure there will be change...

They got email and password combos from a few sites, and gave them out. Now, in a perfect world, that would mean you could access their account on that site only, but due to people reusing login details, much more could be accessed.

So really, Lulzsec stole keys to Bank Vault A, but due to shoddy security those same keys opened Bank Vault B. Nobody knew that these keys could access Vault B, but some dick-heads had to go check, just in case.

Actually it's more like they took someone's house key and found out it works for the car too.

 

[intheweeds]

I doubt you would find all this malicious hacking funny if they hadn't told you to feel that way.

And when someone has to tell you to laugh, is it really that funny?

You assume anyone needed telling to find funny things funny.

To a degree he's right. You wouldn't be laughing if they weren't broadcasting. No one would be as interested if they didn't have the whole taunting back and forth thing with the community. Again, I wonder how they still have the same twitter account? Shut down the twitter, shut down lulzsec. Sure they could still post on their website, but really who the fuck cares? People are following the stupid twitter antics. How lulzy would they really be if they only posted a few downloads on the website a few times a day and a list of ddos'd sites?

 

[intheweeds]

Lulzsec has already released tens of thousands of peoples personal login info and encouraged people to use it. That has (according to twitter) led to more than a few paypal thefts. Granted they didn't steal the money themselves, but to me it is the equivalent of stealing the keys to the bank vault and handing them out to strangers with a little note telling them where the keys fit. Sure, they didn't actually steal the money, but money would never had been stolen were it not for them.

Edit: although your quite right i'm sure there will be change...

They got email and password combos from a few sites, and gave them out. Now, in a perfect world, that would mean you could access their account on that site only, but due to people reusing login details, much more could be accessed.

So really, Lulzsec stole keys to Bank Vault A, but due to shoddy security those same keys opened Bank Vault B. Nobody knew that these keys could access Vault B, but some dick-heads had to go check, just in case.

Actually it's more like they took someone's house key and found out it works for the car too.

haha it's a shitty analogy i know, but at least you guys get what i mean!

 

[C95J]

oh, really?

So you wouldn't mind just sending me your email account details, and your bank details?

yeah just because nothing has happened directly to you, doesn't mean it is funny. Because thousands of other people have had their personal details stolen.

Looks like someone needs a dictionary...

Quick quiz: What is the difference between stealing and publishing that which could have been stolen?

If all a burgler does is leave a note telling me to lock my windows, I giggle, lock my windows and thank the guy...

ummm no sorry, the example you gave me is wrong, would translate to Lulzsec simply looking at all the account details, then just leaving them as they were, whilst still infiltrating the site.

They actually went, got the details (as in they took the details) then they shared them with the world.

That's like a burglar taking something out of my house, then leaving it in the street for anyone to use. He still stole it, but just isn't using it.

 

[Grey Walker]

Who cares? At least they TELL everyone what they do. Imagine if they just found out all this stuff and then started using it to rip your credit card off.

But if they did that then it could be tracked to them and they could be identified as a member.

By posting it online for everyone to see they make it impossible for anyone using the information to be associated with LulzSec.

i feel like the only reason they aren't in jail yet is because no one has bothered to find them. I mean come on, they have a friggin hotline! which apparently was shut down yesterday and now they have a new one. how the hell do you set up a truly 'anonymous' phone line? they can't be on the move constantly while hacking and tweeting and taking calls, how has no one found them? They simply must not be looking yet. I would imagine the feds at least in the states are too focused on Anonymous just now, but that's just a theory i have.

For the hotline I'd guess a disposable cell phone, although that could easily just be movies. Assuming that the hotline was a phone, that is. I don't know.

Proxies and bots can mask your IP address if you know what you're doing, and you would need pretty good tech and/or know-how to get past that mask.

That and these guys know what they're doing, as they have hacked government sites, which are the most paranoid and would likely have the best security.

 

[GestaltEsper]

EDIT: Sorry 'bout that.

 

[GestaltEsper]

EDIT: Sorry 'bout that.

 

[teebeeohh]

my friend recently pointed out that they seem to be going to after stuff people on the internetz like, mainly games, porn and other entertainment. which is interesting considering that some circles think that they are somehow related to US cyber warfare something and aim to shape public opinion to make it easier to pass certain restrictive laws.

 

[Grey Walker]

I doubt you would find all this malicious hacking funny if they hadn't told you to feel that way.

And when someone has to tell you to laugh, is it really that funny?

You assume anyone needed telling to find funny things funny.

To a degree he's right. You wouldn't be laughing if they weren't broadcasting. No one would be as interested if they didn't have the whole taunting back and forth thing with the community. Again, I wonder how they still have the same twitter account? Shut down the twitter, shut down lulzsec. Sure they could still post on their website, but really who the fuck cares? People are following the stupid twitter antics. How lulzy would they really be if they only posted a few downloads on the website a few times a day and a list of ddos'd sites?

A site that LulzSec uses is the last one that they'll hack. Twitter is protected from them by allowing them to use it for communication.

 

[intheweeds]

Who cares? At least they TELL everyone what they do. Imagine if they just found out all this stuff and then started using it to rip your credit card off.

But if they did that then it could be tracked to them and they could be identified as a member.

By posting it online for everyone to see they make it impossible for anyone using the information to be associated with LulzSec.

i feel like the only reason they aren't in jail yet is because no one has bothered to find them. I mean come on, they have a friggin hotline! which apparently was shut down yesterday and now they have a new one. how the hell do you set up a truly 'anonymous' phone line? they can't be on the move constantly while hacking and tweeting and taking calls, how has no one found them? They simply must not be looking yet. I would imagine the feds at least in the states are too focused on Anonymous just now, but that's just a theory i have.

For the hotline I'd guess a disposable cell phone, although that could easily just be movies. Assuming that the hotline was a phone, that is. I don't know.

Proxies and bots can mask your IP address if you know what you're doing, and you would need pretty good tech and/or know-how to get past that mask.

That and these guys know what they're doing, as they have hacked government sites, which are the most paranoid and would likely have the best security.

its just the phone thing really, i know about the rest of the obfuscation. A disposable phone has no personal details attached to it, sure, but that why i say they can't be on the move, because any cell phone can triangulate its location these days. unless they're moving around all the time, couldn't they be found if one wanted to? not the average person mind you, but say - a pissed off CIA?