It's gotten to the point where LulzSec are actually just being awful for the sake of being awful. I mean, it's all fun and games until someone loses hundreds of dollars to credit card fraud. Initially I thought they were just hacking to see if they could, but the fact that they're willing to oust people's credit card numbers and PayPal account login info screams to me that this has gone WAY too far.
I think Lulzec are funny.
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Funny? Prehaps. Justifiable? Not so much, though I doubt LulzSec care really about if what they are doing is justifiable.
They're just a bunch of hackers gone mad with power. Anarchy isn't really my thing, so I can't say I support them. But until a bunch of stories come out about confirmed identity theft by the members of LulzSec, I wouldn't call them evil or anything.
They're just a bunch of hackers gone mad with power. Anarchy isn't really my thing, so I can't say I support them. But until a bunch of stories come out about confirmed identity theft by the members of LulzSec, I wouldn't call them evil or anything.
In a way it's good that they hacked Xbox Live, just to shut the assholes up about Sony being hacked and Xbox being better.gorillahertz said:
I'm fairly convinced you're a troll but here we go.Funkiest Monkey said:
No real harm to any of us? Try tens of thousands of pounds of damages to several companies, putting the companies themselves, their affiliates and possibly millions of jobs at risk. Afterall what's more lulzy than shovelling tons of decent individuals into unemployment.
Next we have the releasing of personal information, again potentially risking the assets of thousands of people. I personally can't think of anything more funny than letting some asshole waltz into someones bank account and fuck up their lives by stealing their money and maybe even committing identity theft, lol.
And for the record, they refused that $10,000 prize because accepting it would have blown their cover, and the work that anonymous do is actually pretty noble compared to these guys.
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If Anonymous is being called "moralfags", they have my support. It's neat (although possibly entirely coincidental) that this occurred after the Extra Credits video on Anonymous.Flig said:
Eh, they're just a bunch of reckless people who don't give a shit who they happen to harm in their "fun". I don't really find taking down websites and releasing personal information funny, even if I don't have to deal with it.
This. They're harvesting lulz from other people's lulz, leaving them without any lulz. Which is the definition of not funny.Jack and Calumon said:
They say they do what they do "for the lulz".
So taking that and seeing how they do pretty much batshit insane stuff and go around acting like a bunch of mental ward escapees, I'd say they are the equivalent of the Joker.
So the question is, who the fuck is Batman?
So taking that and seeing how they do pretty much batshit insane stuff and go around acting like a bunch of mental ward escapees, I'd say they are the equivalent of the Joker.
So the question is, who the fuck is Batman?
Yeah except they aren't JUST informing people they hacked into networks, they're stealing personal information and releasing it on the internet. Not to mention it isn't like they've been ASKED to do this, it's like 'borrowing' someones car without their knowledge, totaling it, and then informing them several days later that you borrowed their car.Smerf said:
I find Lulzsec funny, not because they are releasing personal data about people (that's never funny), but because they are ripping apart networks that have known about their security flaws yet don't give a fuck.
Example: Banks [http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/06/citibank-hacked/]. Banks do a decent job of online security, most of them anyways, but they forgo future funding to keep your data safe so they can make a web portal you can use on your phone to do mobile banking or other dumb proprietary software. Besides the fact that mobile banking is about the most horrible idea in the world (it's so easy to intercept data from wi-fi hotspots, even using encryption), companies need to learn that SECURITY MATTERS when it comes to personal data, you know, considering customers and investors don't like to do business with a company that keeps getting robbed.
Example: Banks [http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/06/citibank-hacked/]. Banks do a decent job of online security, most of them anyways, but they forgo future funding to keep your data safe so they can make a web portal you can use on your phone to do mobile banking or other dumb proprietary software. Besides the fact that mobile banking is about the most horrible idea in the world (it's so easy to intercept data from wi-fi hotspots, even using encryption), companies need to learn that SECURITY MATTERS when it comes to personal data, you know, considering customers and investors don't like to do business with a company that keeps getting robbed.
They suck ass because even though they are "sticking it to the man" people who aren't the man will probably get in trouble/fired for their antics.
Yes, things like the NHS incident and the hacking contest with the $10,000 prize were fairly noble, but what's not is basically everything else. I.E. everything where they've hacked into a company's servers/websites and released tens or hundreds of thousands of users' confidential data.
Yes, they are bringing to light the enormous issues America truly does have with cyber security, and for that, I have to give them some credit. But you think they could do it in a way that doesn't put people at serious risk.
Yes, they are bringing to light the enormous issues America truly does have with cyber security, and for that, I have to give them some credit. But you think they could do it in a way that doesn't put people at serious risk.
I think you might change your mind if you read some of their twitter feed. Those 60,000 email addresses they stole a few days ago? They were just random people. That could have easily been you.Funkiest Monkey said:
I think they are way worse than anonymous. Anonymous isn't a group of complete bastards. They only attack when provoked--and they only attack those who threaten their set of clearly stated ideals. Lulzsec? They are attacking anyone and everyone they can. They don't discriminate between those who have made them mad and those who haven't. They're out to ruin as many people as they can, and they don't care how many innocent people they affect along the way. In fact, the more innocents involved the better.
A while back, about a month before Lulzsec brought down the PSN, Anonymous DDOS'd the PSN because of what Sony was doing to Geohot (the guy who cracked the PS3). Soon after they started, however, they stopped the attack. They said that their actions were affecting the customers using the PSN, which was not their intended target. So they stopped and said they would find some other way to attack Sony without affecting their customer base.
Lulzsec is a schoolyard bully on a rampage. They don't have any standards or limits, or hold back on anyone because they don't feel they "deserve" their wrath. Everybody is a target. The whole world is their target, and you might be next. Don't like that? Too bad. With them throwing their ego-driven tantrum all across the Internet, they aren't going to stop until every email account is hacked and posted for all the world to exploit.
It's the CIO's job, and the CIO's job alone, to propose and implement better security measures. They are the ones that need to recognize vulnerabilities, and they are the ones to ask for more money from the CFO and CEO to fix those vulnerabilities. Then they allot that money to the proper people accordingly to purchase the better hardware or write better code.commodore96 said:
tl;dr, the CIO is the only one who'll be getting canned.
yes because Anonymous never does anything nice they never caught a pedophile or went to went to a guy's 90th birthday party sending him cards and giftsFunkiest Monkey said:
the point I'm trying to make is that lulzsec and anonymous are the same they can do good deeds but still be remembered for shit they did (and lulzsec will never lose their reputation) personally I don't really care (still pissed they hacked xbox live though)