"I think, therefore I am."

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SovietSecrets

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Griffstar said:
Verlander said:
I affect the world around me to such an extent that only I could be doing it. Therefore I exist
What if this world your affecting is in reality a figment of your imagination? This would be done to make you believe you are actually doing something.
For imagination to happen, before that there needs to be existence. Otherwise you just contradict yourself. Thought itself is consciousness and not imaginative.
 

Atticus89

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Prove it? Okay.

Jump off a bridge. If you're dead, you existed. If you're alive, you'll exist in a great deal of pain.

(seriously, please don't jump off a bridge. nobody is doing that and you don't need to start a trend.)
 

Ace of Spades

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Whether or not I exist is irrelevant. Even if nothing that is happening is real, those non-real standards still govern anything that happens.

"I thought it wasn't real."
"Your mind makes it real."
 

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FalloutJack said:
Griffstar said:
Prove to me that you and everything else exists.
I do not have to, for I had to read through Descartes' meditations in college, to which I discovered that he has done this already for me.
Pretty much what this guy said.

/thread.
 

The Shade

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I can only be certain that I exist, in some shape or form, because I can think it.

Anything else is still open for debate.
 

SenorNemo

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Griffstar said:
Griffstar said:
Prove to me that you and everything else exists.
Oh you solipsists are all so adorable. Look how you move around inside your box of existential woe! Whose the only person in the world? Whose the only person in the world? Aww, you can't answer because you don't acknowledge any existence beyond yourself!

Mmmmh, I only made this thread to challenge the users of The Escapist. Sorry that you felt the need to post a meaningless response.
Friend Griffstar,
You have a lot to learn about trolling in philosophy. Socrates annoyed the hell out of everyone he met just by refuting every idea they came up with; using their own (invariably unsound) convictions against them. Socrates used logic. You merely set up a solipsist strawman. Admittedly, solipsist strawmen pretty much set themselves up, but it'd be far more satisfying to you and a much more resounding triumph of your vastly superior intellect to lead the solipsists into their own traps. You wanna be the Gadfly? Earn the distinction through cunning, not by insulting everybody whose posted so far behind the veil of faux intellectualism.
 

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Griffstar said:
Again read the reply's, I did this for a challenge. Not to be called a solipsist from 2 people.
I'm aware, I'm saying the question today is irrelevant because it's already been answered.
 

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SenorNemo said:
Griffstar said:
Griffstar said:
Prove to me that you and everything else exists.
Oh you solipsists are all so adorable. Look how you move around inside your box of existential woe! Whose the only person in the world? Whose the only person in the world? Aww, you can't answer because you don't acknowledge any existence beyond yourself!

Mmmmh, I only made this thread to challenge the users of The Escapist. Sorry that you felt the need to post a meaningless response.
-snip-
I'm sorry? I have no idea who "Gadfly" is and had no intention of "trolling" you guys. And if you noticed, the top part of my post was supposed to be a quote of somebody who was responding to me. I have not insulted one person in this thread.

Venereus said:
Griffstar said:
Venereus said:
Seriously, do you homework. We're already beyond that question.
I find it interesting.
Ha! "Interestng", I hear that a lot when people waste time with mental wanking.
I don't find it wasting time to ask people a question that is interesting to me. Maybe to you it is, but you cant assume something is a waste of time to everybody, it's just like me saying that eating it a waste of time. My opinion but isn't nessisarialy right.
 

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Griffstar said:
Prove to me that you and everything else exists.

*edit*
Since some people don't read the reply's of this thread, I shall edit this to make it clear.
I made this thread for challenge purposes ONLY. I'm doing a report on it at school and I'm looking for responses from you guys. Sorry, I should of made it more clear.
*edit*
How about what it means to exist? If you experience us we exist. Whether we are figments of your imagination means nothing.
 

joshuaayt

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You know Descartes was actually a dickhead, who dissected live animals? I never knew that. Broke my heart.

Anyway, using the Cogito, I can only prove that I exist. Not necessarily in this form, but I do exist. You, however? For all I know, you could easily be a falsehood. An imaginary figure in my demented psyche.

That said, I am comfortable in this life- Someone referred to the Matrix, and I am inclined to agree. There was nothing wrong with that particular illusion, to my memory.
 

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Griffstar said:
Prove to me that you and everything else exists.
I am but a being of your imagination within my own. I think that instead, you should prove to me that you exist.
 

Diligent

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If only you exist, and everything else is a fabrication of your perception, that means you are the sole inventor and therefore 100% responsible for:
-Teen pop sensations such as Justin Bieber and Miley Cyrus
-Every single war and every single war crime
-Every rape and murder
-Kraft Guacamole flavoured spread (No Avocado)
-Michael Bay movies
-Edible Underwear
-Jersey Shore
-The cancellation of Firefly
-The sushi that gave me food poisoning last month
-Yogurt Soda
-Child Porn
-And more!
Are you really willing to believe that?
 

Yoshemo

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Because if the universe doesn't exist, neither do bacon, tits, beer, or kitties
 

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Griffstar said:
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I'm sorry? I have no idea who "Gadfly" is and had no intention of "trolling" you guys. And if you noticed, the top part of my post was supposed to be a quote of somebody who was responding to me. I have not insulted one person in this thread.
Ah, then pardon me, I did not notice you were responding to a specific person. It seemed as if you were dismissing pretty much every response that came before it. I still hold that your use of a strawman when you could have easily disassembled whoever you were responding to was lazy, but I don't see it as necessarily mean spirited.

"The Gadfly" was a nickname given to Socrates for his often infuriating habit of striking up philosophical conversations with random people he met and disassembling every assertion they tried to make. Sorry, I should have explained the reference.
 

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Griffstar said:
Prove to me that you and everything else exists.

*edit*
Since some people don't read the reply's of this thread, I shall edit this to make it clear.
I made this thread for challenge purposes ONLY. I'm doing a report on it at school and I'm looking for responses from you guys. Sorry, I should of made it more clear.
*edit*
I dont think I can without the proper learnings, and this particular subject does not interest me enough. Now, put some dollar or euros and yuans in there, and its a different story.

So I'll pose to you this question. Prove that you exist to me and that I do not imagine you and all that I perceive to be true, and you will have my asnwer.