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RJ 17

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For all the Bioware and ME 3 bashing topics out there, I think it's about time we get a positive topic on the matter.

Summary for all the TL/DR whiners out there: If you don't like to read, get off the internet. There's plenty of articles on this site with 2,3, even 4 pages worth of text and I don't see you TL/DR'ing those.

That said, I WANT Mass Effect 3. As in the last game that I've wanted this much was Mass Effect 2. Sure there's been games that I've looked forward to getting, but not like this. No other game gets me all giddy and excited when I watch one of the developement videos. Hell, I just got done watching the Voice Cast video for ME 3 and it made me wish the month of February didn't exist. Quite simply, the Mass Effect series has easily been my favorite series of games on this console generation. And quite frankly, pretty much all of the criticism for a game that hasn't even come out yet just seems very nit-picky if you ask me.

Yes, they got a chick from IGN to play an insubstantial part in the game. Yes, she's wearing what appears to be a female lifeguard's swimsuit...whoop-de-frickin'-do. Is that REALLY that big of a deal? Do you honestly believe that Bioware put her in there and made her that way as a selling point? As if to say "No one's going to buy this game unless we get some more eye candy in there!"

Yes, there is a crap-ton of mini-DLC available on various Mass Effect products. It's called merchandising, folks. Do you have any idea how popular the Mass Effect series is? Can you blame them for thinking "You know what? People love these frickin' games. They love these frickin' characters. We could probably do well by selling action figures and art books. And to sweeten the deal, lets give them some guns and costumes they can download along with these products." Look at the original Star Wars trilogy and all the merchandise that came from those. It's alright for Lucas to make a kick-ass trilogy and then start selling action figures and what-not with it, but it's not alright for Bioware to do the same? Do you honestly believe that people would be buying any of this merchandise SPECIFICALLY FOR the DLC that comes attached with it? If you do, I think that says a LOT more about the stupidity of the consumer than it says about the greed of the company. Quite simply if you're buying the action figures and art books, you're doing so because you love the series and want to collect memorabilia of said series, not because "Damnit I want Garrus to have an extra costume!" At least I'd seriously have to hope that wouldn't be your motivation.

Yes, there is a multiplayer function. A lot of the rage focused at this seems to mirror a lot of the rage that was focused at the way Dragon Age 2 told it's story. Apparently we get bored to tears and complain when things are cliche or overused...and yet when someone does try something new we rage and say they're butchering the series. That's all this multiplayer is: something new. Bioware has taken every opportunity to explain that the multiplayer is in no way manditory, you will still be able to get the best possible ending in single player even if you wholely ignore the multiplayer. The multiplayer aspect is something that fans of the series have been inquiring about since the very first game. Personally I think having an optional multiplayer that can effect the single player but is not manditory for the single player is a very good common-ground. Now you can have fun in the ME universe with 3 of your friends...how is that a bad thing?

Yes, it gives you a choice of playing the game like every other ME game before it, playing the game with all dialogue choices made for you, or playing the game with combat rendered inconsequential. Last I checked, my fellow Escapists, choice was a good thing. And guess what? You get to pick which one you like! That kinda goes hand-in-hand with the whole "having a choice" deal. If you want to play ME 3 the same way you played ME 1 and 2, then just click on that setting and ignore the other two. Some people, however, might be thoroughly enjoying the Mass Effect story and might not care so-much about the combat...that's their preference and who are you to judge them for it? Same goes with the people who just really like the combat portions and don't want to be hasseled with the conversation wheel. So yeah, pick your flavor of ME 3 and enjoy the game the way you want to enjoy it.

I've even heard the complaint "Looks like the combat is a lot more like Gears of War." Ummmmmm....have you forgotten the combat from the first to games? Wasn't it all duck-and-cover based combat? Maybe everyone complaining about this played the first two games on super-retarded-easy and thus was able to just wade through combat with the greatest of ease...but personally I recall spending too much time out of cover meant you'd get your face blown off. So what's the complaint here? Shepard can now perform a rolling dodge? How is this a bad thing? Are you so determined to hate this game you haven't even played yet that you're complaining about a new feature in combat? Shepard's omnitool can now turn into a blade too, but I don't see people complaining about that.

So quite frankly I just don't see where all this pre-emptive hate for Mass Effect 3 is coming from. Maybe people just loathe EA, and quite frankly I can't blame you. But you do realize that they have very little to do with the actual developement of the game, right? They're pretty much there for marketing and promotional purposes. Maybe people have lost faith in Bioware because (apparently) many gamers couldn't fully grasp the great new things experimented with in Dragon Age 2 because said gamers were stuck on the fact that yes, every frickin' dungeon is exactly the frickin' same. But that's no reason to start hating on a game that you haven't even played yet when, at least in my humble opinion, both of the preceding games have been absolute gold!

No game is without it's faults, and Mass Effect is far from flawless. But I don't care. I don't care about anything the haters have to say. I don't care about the fact that they brought in a chick from IGN to voice one of the characters in the game. To me none of the things that the coplainers complain about are a big deal, and they certainly aren't a deterant when it comes to how much I desperately crave ME 3.

So seriously people, why all the hate? Can we not give a game a chance before we've actually played it? Now if ME 3 comes out and is just one big steaming pile of poo, I'll be in the front line of the riot marching on Bioware's HQ with torches and pitchforks calling for blood. All I'm asking is that we wait to play a game before we crucify it.

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No, this is not possible. You can not want ME3. Origin! DLC! Chobot! Casuals! Mindless Action Game! Arggghhh!!!

.. nah, I want it too. ")
 

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I agree. Can't wait for the game. However, you can't really blame people for hating on the game. Pretty much all the promotional content surrounding it has been promoting the "shooter" aspects of it, and the story seems pretty much non-existent. I'm sure it won't turn out that way, but right now its just "You are Badass, Robots are bad, Kill them."
 

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woodaba said:
I agree. Can't wait for the game. However, you can't really blame people for hating on the game. Pretty much all the promotional content surrounding it has been promoting the "shooter" aspects of it, and the story seems pretty much non-existent. I'm sure it won't turn out that way, but right now its just "You are Badass, Robots are bad, Kill them."
They can't exactly show off much of the story though without people screaming "SPOILERS!!!11!!!" and so on at them so they're promoting what they can - the combat.

I've been really looking forward to it as well, see how the story ends. Hope it's insanity setting is harder than ME2 though, found that waaaaay too easy.
 

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Shadows Risen said:
woodaba said:
I agree. Can't wait for the game. However, you can't really blame people for hating on the game. Pretty much all the promotional content surrounding it has been promoting the "shooter" aspects of it, and the story seems pretty much non-existent. I'm sure it won't turn out that way, but right now its just "You are Badass, Robots are bad, Kill them."
They can't exactly show off much of the story though without people screaming "SPOILERS!!!11!!!" and so on at them so they're promoting what they can - the combat.

I've been really looking forward to it as well, see how the story ends. Hope it's insanity setting is harder than ME2 though, found that waaaaay too easy.
:p Beat me to the response, I was going to quote him and say the same thing about not being able to give away much of the story without giving out spoilers.

That said, I found Insanity in ME 2 to be MUCH harder than Insanity for ME. I played through the intro mission on Insanity with a "New Game +" character and after that, I kindly asked the game to please remove its boot from my rectum. :3
 

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I'm with you RJ. I've had ME3 preordered for months and nothing has me worried yet. There's been some odd or strange ideas (the multiplayer, the alternate game modes etc.) but they are not something I was gonna use anyway so it doesn't affect me.
 

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Ugh why can't March 6th get here already!!! Someone put me in cryostatis!! Personally I'm not even sure if I want to play the demo or let the anticipation make me explode. ME2 was such an awesome experience when I got that (my first midnight release as well) and it was such a satisfying experience. Now just to twiddle my thumbs for another month.
 

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I agree with you.

Though I'm thinking this topic is gonna get derailed with RAEG sometime soon.
 

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Zeel said:
TD_Knight said:
I agree with you.

Though I'm thinking this topic is gonna get derailed with RAEG sometime soon.
As it should be. Anytopic defending Bioware/EA games in its shenanigans deserves nothing less.
You really are an angry little man, aren't you? I assume you do this with all popular titles that come out? Or are you just still really upset that Dragon Age 2 wasn't a perfect paragon of gaming like you thought it would be, and taking it out on any and all Bioware games being released?
 

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I'm looking forward to it too!!!! I'm actually shielding myself from any news regarding ME3. I'v e heard all I wanted to know, and I'm emerging from my rock in order to tell you that I am every bit as excited as you are!! ^_^ 3/6/12!!!!!!!!!! *goes back under rock*
 

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This is a post expressing non-specific agreement with the OP.

Although, I am compelled to point out that if you really didn't care about the hate then you wouldn't have made this thread.
 

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Zeel said:
Multiplayer being slapped onto a series, successfully taking away from single player experience. Multiplayer looks mediocre at best, nothing innovative, probably will be dead in months. waste of time, resources and disk space
I highly doubt its really taking away from the single player experience to be honest, first off, different studios doing it. Second, we don't know how it will play because we haven't had the chance to play it yet, so I wouldn't talk out of my ass claiming it's great or it's terrible until it releases.

Zeel said:
Day-one DLC's: there are a plethora of them. Crap load of shitty addons being removed from the game and sold for extra money
Let's see, the add-ons being removed from the game: Multiplayer Characters, Multiplayer Weapons and Multiplayer Power-ups (Action figures). Weapon and Armor (Free Demo playthrough). Extra Character and Mission (Collector's Edition). Collector Rifle (Art Book). 3 Weapons, 1 Armor (Pre-Order Bonuses)
Well already half of the DLC is rendered null to you, since you will probably avoid the multiplayer anyways. So we are left with 1 weapon thus far that you actually have to purchase, the rest of those are standard for any collector's edition to be honest, and pre-ordering from stores.

Zeel said:
Origins mandatory: even for retail purchases. a buggy, spyware ridden software being forced on costumers. Funny enough pirates wont have to deal with it. Shows you who EA games really cares about
I have yet to come across a problem when it comes to Origin, my computer still runs fast, and I have had no spy-ware attacks to be honest. As for the information that they gather, why wouldn't I let them know what games I have installed, or what specs my computer runs at? Steam does the same thing and we don't cry about them doing that. Also I have nothing to hide, especially since I don't pirate games.
Zeel said:
Silly design decisions like playmodes, adding jessica chobot and gears of war-rip off combat
So allowing choices on how people might want to play is now a problem? Some people might want to see the mindset of Shepard that Bioware has in mind for their Action mode, but all you have to do is ignore that and just go to RPG mode, problem solved, nothing more to it.

Also big deal with Jessica Chobot, a minor character that you can ignore on the ship isn't going to slaughter your experience. Why is it suddenly a crime to hire a somewhat popular person to their voice actors? (To be honest, I never heard of Chobot, so I probably don't see what others do about her)

And for combat, Mass Effect has always been a cover-based shooter, the first one, the controls were so clunky you just couldn't tell. The second one improved on combat greatly. (Reason it ranks a bit higher than the first one for me) I don't see why you are complaining about improving on something that has room for improvement.
Zeel said:
All trailers action related, show nothing about story or narrative.
Remember back when Mass Effect 2 released their awesome trailers? All of their fans loved those things, but they also complained about how too much of the story was being revealed in those trailers. Thus, Bioware is taking a different approach by trying to keep the story underwraps. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario. Either way, someone is going to make angry posts about it.

Zeel said:
Do not tell me my complaints aren't justified. Any sane person can see they are.
Why not wait until the game is released before judging the game? I mean you are taking a bunch of trailers and identifying the whole game as one big Gears of War/Jersey Shore meltdown.
 

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Zeel said:
tendaji said:
Zeel said:
TD_Knight said:
I agree with you.

Though I'm thinking this topic is gonna get derailed with RAEG sometime soon.
As it should be. Anytopic defending Bioware/EA games in its shenanigans deserves nothing less.
You really are an angry little man, aren't you? I assume you do this with all popular titles that come out? Or are you just still really upset that Dragon Age 2 wasn't a perfect paragon of gaming like you thought it would be, and taking it out on any and all Bioware games being released?
Multiplayer being slapped onto a series, successfully taking away from single player experience. Multiplayer looks mediocre at best, nothing innovative, probably will be dead in months. waste of time, resources and disk space

Day-one DLC's: there are a plethora of them. Crap load of shitty addons being removed from the game and sold for extra money

Origins mandatory: even for retail purchases. a buggy, spyware ridden software being forced on costumers. Funny enough pirates wont have to deal with it. Shows you who EA games really cares about

Silly design decisions like playmodes, adding jessica chobot and gears of war-rip off combat

All trailers action related, show nothing about story or narrative.


Do not tell me my complaints aren't justified. Any sane person can see they are.
Such venom and spite, my friend. You honestly act as though EA shot your puppy, might you be trolling?

Even if you aren't, my OT explains that while all those issues are valid complaints, they're nothing worth damning the game before you've even had a chance to play it.
 

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tendaji said:
Ugh why can't March 6th get here already!!! Someone put me in cryostatis!! Personally I'm not even sure if I want to play the demo or let the anticipation make me explode. ME2 was such an awesome experience when I got that (my first midnight release as well) and it was such a satisfying experience. Now just to twiddle my thumbs for another month.
You want to drive yourself even more crazy go to ask or google and type in ME3 release countdown. 32 days 3 hours 4 minutes 59, 58, 57 seconds. Yeah...that's what I have running every time I turn my computer on. But we've waited this long! We'll make it!

Course once it comes out we'll get even more annoying haters complaining about stuff that really doesn't matter. Some people just can never be happy.
 

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Zeel said:
Multiplayer being slapped onto a series, successfully taking away from single player experience. Multiplayer looks mediocre at best, nothing innovative, probably will be dead in months. waste of time, resources and disk space.
You never know, if the combat in ME3 is fun and well made enough to stand up on its own merits then the multiplayer may be pretty good. And didn't Baldur's Gate/Neverwinter have multiplayer support way back when?

Day-one DLC's: there are a plethora of them. Crap load of shitty addons being removed from the game and sold for extra money.
I don't like them much either, but you don't really have to buy them. And I tend to buy my games new anyway so it doesn't particularly affect me that much.

Origins mandatory: even for retail purchases. a buggy, spyware ridden software being forced on costumers. Funny enough pirates wont have to deal with it. Shows you who EA games really cares about.
Fair enough, I suppose. From what I've read it seems quite intrusive.

Silly design decisions like playmodes, adding jessica chobot and gears of war-rip off combat.
Playmodes are just extra options, and if someone playing Action mode decides to dabble in RPG mode and ends up liking it and switching over, I don't really mind.

Chobot seems like a minor character at best.

I haven't really played Gears of War, but I don't think its combat offers things like commandable squadmates, different powers and skill builds, or different and unique classes.

All trailers action related, show nothing about story or narrative.
That... seems like a minor point, since games should generally be judged by playing them rather than by their trailers. Anyway, I believe people complained about story spoilers in ME2 trailers, hence why ME3 trailers tend to show off the improved combat and some eye candy.

And to be fair, there's already a decent amount of information about how the story will pan out. We know that Shepard's going to visit the home worlds of all the major races, likely gathering allies to stop the Reapers.

So it seems structurally similar to DA:O and most every other hub-based Bioware RPG that's come out.
 

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TopazFusion said:
Oh, look it's this thread again. I swear, the number of Bioware/ME hate threads . . .

. . . wait a minute, can it be? a positive thread about Mass Effect 3?
:p My point exactly. Seems every 10 minutes a new thread pops up with "I'm raging at Bioware!" as the theme.