I want to get into PC Gaming. (Yes I'm that guy.)

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Bad Jim

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The GOG sale is now wrapping up and there are a heck of a lot of great strategy titles on sale right now

https://www.gog.com/promo/summer_homm_bundle_030615
https://www.gog.com/promo/summer_city_builder_bundle_040615
https://www.gog.com/promo/summer_settlers_pack_150615
https://www.gog.com/promo/summer_sid_meier_bundle_180615
https://www.gog.com/promo/summer_grand_paradox_pack_080615
https://www.gog.com/game/sacrifice
https://www.gog.com/game/galactic_civilizations_i_ultimate_edition

Buy all this lot and you won't need to bother buying a new PC for years. Unless you don't have one at all.
 

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RaddyCaddy said:
At this point you must be either be glad to have posted this, or regretting it with all your soul. When building a PC, you'll have to learn some technical jargon. No way around it. A tip is to go to the gaming sections of pre-built PC stores (like Dell), and take note of the configurations from the low to mid range computers, search the meanings in Google and Youtube, and check the prices for each component in NewEgg.com (or you could buy a PC from there, if you feel overwhelmed).
 

RaddyCaddy

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I appreciate all the help. I'm definitely going to build it now.
No question about it.
A quick search of youtube found a series of videos by Foxeo Gaming that has been pretty helpful.
I'm going to hang out with my friends this weekend, and I'm cramming all the jargon I can. I'm currently AMAZED at all the sales on this place called Steam. Holy crap, the deals. GoG is great as well. Especially considering games like this would be super expensive on consoles, even used. Feel free to suggest any strategy games you guys enjoy, by the way.
If you could give me a baseline of what parts YOU would buy, I'd love to hear a range of opinions. A list of parts you guys would recommend that are good deals and can get the job done.
Again, just looking for something that could run recent strategy games. (Total War: Shogun 2, Civ V plus expansions, Cities: Skylines, tons of mods, etc.) I have a ton of others, but they're old enough that my hypothetical PC should run them easily.
Quick question though: I went to Best Buy today to look around. I saw a CyberpowerPC Black Gamer Ultra GUA250 Desktop PC with AMD Quad-Core FX-4300 Processor, 8GB Memory, 1TB Hard Drive and Windows 8.1.
It was 470$ with no monitor. Usually the PCs I see are in the thousands. Is there something about this one that is lacking enough to cut off several hundred bucks? Something I should watch out for?
Anyway, the help has been awesome. It's important I can get past this grubby fledgling part of the PC gaming experience so I can actually enjoy the GAMING part.
Seeing the light! Thanks.
 

RaddyCaddy

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Bad Jim said:
The GOG sale is now wrapping up and there are a heck of a lot of great strategy titles on sale right now

https://www.gog.com/promo/summer_homm_bundle_030615
https://www.gog.com/promo/summer_city_builder_bundle_040615
https://www.gog.com/promo/summer_settlers_pack_150615
https://www.gog.com/promo/summer_sid_meier_bundle_180615
https://www.gog.com/promo/summer_grand_paradox_pack_080615
https://www.gog.com/game/sacrifice
https://www.gog.com/game/galactic_civilizations_i_ultimate_edition

Buy all this lot and you won't need to bother buying a new PC for years. Unless you don't have one at all.
Thanks! I've only been able to press up against the big aquarium that is Sid Meijer's legacy, because the only game I could get on consoles was Civilization: Revolution. I'm PUMPED! Galactic Civilizations looks awesome too. I've been in love with 4X games and have always wanted to play them ever since my dad let me play Civilization 4 and it's citybuilding cousin Sim City 3000 on our old computer.
The only strategy games I could get on consoles were things like the inferior Tropico ports or Halo: Wars (babies first RTS). I've been jumping at the gate to get my hands on the PC experience for years, and I'm getting my first summer job soon and have been saving up, so I thought it's a good time to take the plunge!
 

RaddyCaddy

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As has been said a thousand times, build it yourself, its cheaper, ect, ect, ect.
Because seriously, you're going to pay a fortune for a store bought gaming PC, and it'll come with a bunch of stuff you don't need to inflate the price tag normally - 16Gb RAM, a 980GTX and a high-end i7 processor.
For most games, you'll need a mid-high range i5 at most, 4 generations back and 3 models down for the graphics card provides adequate performance, and you're not likely to need 16Gb of RAM whilst we're still trying to make the transition to 64 bit for most games [32 bit programs can only access 2Gb of memory].

PCs are fairly easy to build, however I can understand being uncomfortable with it, so getting your friends to help would be a good idea. But, if you want to do it yourself, look up some Youtube videos and follow them. Its pretty easy, just don't wear anything that's likely to generate a high static charge, or touch the parts to anything likely to have a high static charge. Grounding yourself before working on the PC is a good safety measure of sorts, but isn't 100% necessary - you get away with not doing it most of the time, depending on what it is you're fiddling around with.

If you must got for a pre built... You're going to want to run it past your friends or us prior to buying, just because of how the pre-built market is. You could pay a fortune for a pile of uselessness, or could pay very little for something even more useless. Odds are you'll be looking at between $800 and $1200 if buying pre-built though.


In terms of mods... Its open country. How do mods work? Depends on the game.
There are two main types of mods. You've got the Dark Souls fix mods, or the KOTOR 2 restored mods, or the alternate Mass Effect 3 ending mods, where the mod makers know the game engine to some extent, know some programming, and program up some plugins to slightly alter how the game runs, adding in missions and the such - or in some lucky cases where we get the source code, actually editing the game itself. These are rare, however, and most games have no mods at all because the community isn't passionate enough to do this, and this is required to mod those games.
Then you've got your Warcraft/Starcraft/Skyrim/Sins of a Solar Empire/ect. Mods, where the game designers have designed the game in a fashion such that it is meant to be modded, and you can launch a dev-made editor to mess around with stuff in game, save it as a file, and have the game load that file and use its changes. Games like this are rare, but in the ones that exist mods are really common.

Installing them happens in one of two ways normally. If its the first type of mod I described, it'll generally come with an installer that will install all the files for you, if it finds the game installed on your system. Makes installation easy, as you do nothing. If its the latter, you copy and paste the mod into the 'mods' or 'maps' folder of the game, and its installed - you just have to choose to run the mod at game or map launch.
There are a couple of exceptions, like Minecraft where you have to open the main file and drop some folders in there, but if its any more difficult than saving the file to your desktop, the mod maker will generally give instructions on how to install.

Communities for mod making are pretty damn open really. The first mods I described don't really have a huge creator community. You have a few creators, and a bunch of fans.
The second kind I mentioned has a lot of creators and a lot of fans, and anyone can make a mod and put it up on the internet for others to use. Do be prepared to be heavily critiqued if you do this though, as there'll be a lot of people posting trash, and only a few people posting really good stuff.
There are also a lot of communities that exist around teaching people how to mod the sorts of games where the developer provides tools for you to mod with. Whilst anyone can make a mod, there's a lot of things you need to know how to do to make a good mod, and that's what these sites will try to teach you.


But, anyway, welcome to the Glorious PC Gaming Master Race. Once you get your first PC set up, its really not that hard to do anything these days. Shove a disk in, install the game if you have the disk space to do so, and then run it. Maybe update drivers once a year or so. Its come a long way from the good old days when things really were complicated and compatibility was almost non existent.
The modding community is one of the biggest reasons I'm deciding to take the dive into PC gaming. If I like a game, I'm limited to discussion at lunch with a few of my friends, mostly just us swapping glitches or other stuff. It's hard to find a loving community among all of it, much less one that creates content and supports the games themselves! So yeah. After nearly two years of hearing about HD textures and total conversions, or all the cool updates I'm missing out on, I'm super excited.
I'm also impressed at how user friendly the community is being, too. On the playstation network and xbox live, all I could hear about were tales of mean old PC nerds with rigs that cost thousands of dollars, who hated newbies. This thread really flipped that on it's head. It's a lot less scary than it's been cracked up to be.
Anyway, enough rambling. Thanks man!
 

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Be careful with the motherboard, make sure you use those little things that seperate it from the wall of the pc tower case or you could fry the motherboard by allowing all the circuits to be in contact with one another.
 

RedRockRun

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Wonderful decision! As others have said you need:

-Case
-CPU (AMD/Intel)
-Motherboard (Must be the same maker as the CPU, so AMD/Intel)
-GPU (Graphics Processing Unit)
-PSU (Power Supply Unit)
-Storage (Hard Disk Drive/Solid State Drive)
-CD Drive
-RAM
-Operating System

A few things to keep in mind:

-A computer's worst enemy is heat. If you want a gaming machine, you're going to want lots of fans. Since I doubt you'll try to start out with liquid cooling, I'd look for a case that has a lot of fans. CPU heat is another thing to think about. Even if you don't buy an unlocked CPU (meaning that you can overclock with it), I'd still recommend getting an aftermarket fan which you install on top of your CPU instead of the stock cooler that comes in the same box.

-You can save a lot of money in the right places. As a gamer, your experience will begin and end on your GPU and CPU, so that's where most of your money will be spent. Go big on those two things. For all other purchases, you can save money. Look for motherboards which can support at least four sticks of RAM and two GPUs. Even though you probably won't start out crossfiring (using two GPUs), if the board can support it, you know it's gamer friendly.

-Keep power in mind. Look for the efficiency ratings on PSUs and try to balance cost with power output. There are bronze, silver, and gold ratings assigned to PSUs so look for something nice and efficient. I did all my shopping on Newegg, and you can learn a lot from the reviews, not to mention the raw numbers listed on the product pages.

-Look for deals. Another reason I recommend Newegg is because they offer bundle deals which you will routinely run across while browsing the site. For example, when I bought my GTX 970 graphics card in April, I got a code for a copy of Witcher 3 for free! Also, you may find certain related components bundled together at a discount.

-Ask questions! Join a PC hardware message board (I use Tom's Hardware), and ask as many questions as you can think of. Post builds you're thinking of making and get community feedback. The hardware community is very accepting and helpful of newcomers, and in time, you're sure to acquire a nice amount of beginner info.

-Choose your weapon: AMD or Intel? Despite what some will claim, you can go with either, and besides a model here and there, both companies more or less equal out on hardware. My first GPU was AMD, and my current one is Nvidia. It all really comes down to personal taste, so if you read something about how Intel consistently outperforms AMD on every model, it's probably a lie or misrepresentation of data. Still, make sure that both your CPU and motherboard are the same company. For some reason, they each use different CPU pin patterns.

-Beware defective products. It's certainly not uncommon for components to come out of the factory defective. When I built my PC, I was shipped a defective HDD. If you have assembled everything correctly, and something isn't working - in the case of my HDD, the Windows installer couldn't detect a storage device - don't be afraid to get a return or find a computer repair shop and see if you can get the component tested.

-Make a test build outside of your case. It can get confusing for a beginning when trying to assemble your components, especially wrangling cords and finding all the places where things plug in, so connect the necessary parts (motherboard, CPU, and PSU) to your your monitor and see if it starts up. From there, you can begin building everything inside.

-Static is shocking! One static shock onto your CPU will ruin it. You can buy an anti-static bracelet to wear while building your computer or just make sure to routinely touch something metal, such as your case, every now and then, and you'll be okay.

-Careful with that CPU! On the underside of the CPU are a bunch of pins. If even one of them is bent, the whole thing is ruined. Be careful when installing it, and be sure to not place it onto the motherboard at an angle.

-As simple as it sounds, when you buy a case, make sure that everything will fit inside.

-Dust is gross. When your computer is built, try to spray the insides clean every few months with canned air and vacuum it up.

Really though, it's not all that bad. The hardest part is taking that first step! Lastly, welcome to the Glorious PC Gaming Master Race!
 

Bad Jim

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There are some darn fine strategy games in the Steam sale as well. These are also old games that can pretty much run on anything with a copy of Windows

http://store.steampowered.com/app/3910/
http://store.steampowered.com/app/7760/
http://store.steampowered.com/app/267980/
http://store.steampowered.com/app/25800/
http://store.steampowered.com/sub/463/
 

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RaddyCaddy said:
If you could give me a baseline of what parts YOU would buy, I'd love to hear a range of opinions. A list of parts you guys would recommend that are good deals and can get the job done.
-AMD CPU, I seriously doubt you can find a CPU with more bang for you buck than this AMD 6-core, you'd probably have to pay at least double for a comparable Intel chip.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113286&cm_re=amd_fx-_-19-113-286-_-Product

-Asus motherboard. I like Asus's hardware, I even have an Asus router.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131872

-ADATA 8GB stick of RAM. ADATA seems like a solid memory company to me, I bought a ADATA SSD about a year back.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211898

-Case & 650W power supply combo. Both the power supply and case got good reviews on Newegg individually. I don't really have any go-to brands here. It's kinda hard to recommend a case without actually using it myself. You shouldn't spend over say $120 for a case and power supply.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.2355453

-Here's a Radeon and Nvidia option ($120 & $130 with rebates) for your video card. Nvidia is known to have better drivers but the AMD card does out-perform the Nvidia card. I'll link to a page that compared these 2 video cards. You said you didn't need/want the best cards, I tried to keep the cards as close to $100 as possible. The video card is the one place to splurge a little bit.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127790
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127784
Comparision: http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinions/radeon-r7-265-vs-geforce-gtx-750-ti-which-is-best-for-1080p-gaming

-Hard drive and DVD burner are real simple, stick to a name brand and a 1TB HD will be ~$50 and you can find DVD burners for $20 quite easy (you might not even want/need an optical drive). You might want a SSD, but you could always add that later. I bought a 128GB SSD for, I think, $65 last year. They aren't too pricey anymore.

With everything that comes to just under $540 (with the more expensive Nvidia card), take away the DVD burner and buying the AMD video card would save $30 more. You can save at least $10 buying a 500GB hard drive instead of the 1TB HD. So, you can get it below $500 mark. You can go a bit cheaper on the video card if you want as well.

Quick question though: I went to Best Buy today to look around. I saw a CyberpowerPC Black Gamer Ultra GUA250 Desktop PC with AMD Quad-Core FX-4300 Processor, 8GB Memory, 1TB Hard Drive and Windows 8.1.
It was 470$ with no monitor. Usually the PCs I see are in the thousands. Is there something about this one that is lacking enough to cut off several hundred bucks? Something I should watch out for?
AMD is much cheaper than Intel, the cheapest i5 on Newegg is $185. That video card now costs under $100 as well. It's not a super shitty system or anything. I'd be guessing it will run the newest games on low, maybe medium.