I would like to propose...

[phantasmalWordsmith]

I think the idea falls flat for the fact that not all sexual activity gets everyone off. The male body is a disgusting thing in my eyes and I fail to see how anyone could like it, let alone get off on it, but I understand that that's just my perspective on things.

 

[Lieju]

Just because something is a spectrum does not mean that people cannot occupy the poles. Thinking as much is reductivist and I state, partially in jest, that among members of the bisexual community there is a growing trend of "Heterophobia", simply not understanding that heterosexuals can be just as sure of their sexuality as bisexuals, asexuals or homosexuals.

There's also dislike and even outright hostility towards bisexuals from both heterosexuals and homosexuals. Some people can't understand how some people can be attracted to both sexes, bisexuals can be viewed as 'creedy', or just experimenting, or going through a phase.

In addition, some gays are afraid bisexuals are harmful for the gay-rights; they can be used as a 'proof' that gays could be straight if they just wanted, and don't deserve to have equal rights, or that they can be 'cured'.
And since many gays go through a phase where they identify as 'bisexual' before fully accepting they are really just attracted to their own sex, they think everyone who says they're bi is just going through that process.

I don't understand this kind of thing, especially coming from gays. What we should strive for is the equality for everyone, no matter what sex they are attracted to.

As for bisexuality, it depends how one defines sexual attraction. I identify as a lesbian, but there are definitely guys I've found cute. Then again, there are kittens I find cute, and I don't want to have sex with them either.

I have even been attracted to the mind and intelligence of a certain man, but I'd never would want to have sex with him.

Sexuality is definitely a spectrum, and I think almost everyone is bi in the sense that for everyone cabable of some sexual attraction, there would be someone of the same/opposite sex who would invoke some amount of sexual attraction.

(Especially if we take into account people who don't fit neatly in the male/female categories.)

But calling yourself bisexual when you're mostly hetero/homosexual, would be misleading.
If you're really only interested in one sex for a relationship or sex, identifying as gay or straight would be more fitting.

If you need to label yourself at all.

People shouldn't care about such things. Gay, straight, bi, why would it matter? (Unless you're sexually interested in them)

 

[James Joseph Emerald]

Maybe you haven't noticed, but I'm not the one who can quote somebody and blatantly get what they said wrong. That would be you. And there are no ad hominem attacks, look it up before you try to talk about it. Additional comments about your inability to get things right are not ad hominems.

Want to know what is though? Some guy making foolish claims about my ability to remain emotionally detached and trying to use it to attack my arguments instead of addressing them. How's that?

I'm still not sure exactly where you're getting this from. Almost every single time you've said "read my post" it seems to be in response to getting argued into a corner. And when I go back over your posts carefully, I notice something interesting: you very rarely make any concrete points for me to counter. All you do is counter my points (and usually with a "that's not what I said, you're an idiot" argument).

That tactic, coupled with your forum health meter which is one point away from an immediate ban, is making me suspect you're just trolling at this point.

What is so hard about not changing the wording? Tell me, where the hell did I speak about theorizing? Here, why don't you point out where the OP was theorizing instead of making claims that he expected us to take at face value. You know, like the bits where he wants us all to admit he is right as a middle ground. That's not theorizing. Why don't you make sure what you say is accurate before you take the time to make a long and irrelevant post?

I'm theorising. This was never about the OP. Honestly, you complain about me, but all I see is you not paying attention.

*facepalm* Maybe you didn't notice this, but 0% black is not grey. The obvious part that I disagree with is that everyone falls in the grey parts. I said this before. Is there some reason that saying it once was insufficient for you?

Forget about the word "grey" if this confuses you. Let's say sexuality is defined by how gay you are. 0% = perfectly straight. If your gayness = 0.00000000000001%, you're still straight. If your gayness gets over an arbitrary value (say 25%), you've ventured into the bisexual zone. Or whatever.

Or you could have GQ, Gayness Quotient. Why is it acceptable for scientists to determine your intelligence with an IQ test, but not a GQ test? Assuming a) IQ tests actually have meaning, b) a GQ test is possible.

The point is that there is a gradient, and at no point along this gradient do you leave this gradient. If you agree with this, then I truly apologise but you agree with me. The point of the gradient is that it makes labels like "bisexual", "homosexual" and "heterosexual" redundant. In the same way that "Black", "grey", and "white" is redundant when you use a value representing brightness (as in a colour model on computers). Black is the lowest value for brightness. If you call brightness the grey scale, then black is the darkest shade of grey on the greyscale.

Do you see where I'm coming from now?

"It seems unlikely" is not a logical argument. Try again.

""It seems unlikely" is not a logical argument."" is not a logical counter-argument to an opinion. Try again.

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

I can appreciate a handsome man in the same way I can appreciate a handsome building.

Do I want to fuck a building? Nope.

What I am saying is that I can be attracted to guys, but not in a sexual or romantic way, and it shouldn't be interpreted as that. In theory, yes, (post is about to take a turn for the weird) if I was blindfolded and receiving a blowjob from a dude I'd be none the wiser, so I might enjoy it (not really into blindfolds, but hey). That doesn't make me bisexual, I'm not attracted to the guy doing it.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

Edit: You're all better off just skipping the OP entirely since I botched up the question I was asking. Just go on ahead and read through the rest of the thread if you want to see the well put together arguments everyone's made so far. They are surprisingly mostly right, well at least from my perspective, you may have different opinions so feel free to discuss them.

I know that this thread won't be seen by everyone, but I just want to see if I can try to establish a middle ground by asking one question. Can/will we all admit that everybody is a bisexual? To put it simply, no matter who you are, any kind of sexual activity can and will get you off, even if your too shy to admit it, which I can understand, but if everybody admits to being bisexual then nobody would have to hide it.

Edit: I'm not talking about bisexuality in terms that we are all the same or necessarily attracted to everyone we see, but simply that it is impossible not to get turned on by someone doing something that would be considered sexy.

Edit: For sanity's sake let's just focus on people getting turned on by just your basic sex, not fetishes (That's a whole other discussion entirely). Although I will admit you all make pretty good arguments.

I'm not bi at all.

For some reason I find the idea 'that we are all bi' as horribly offensive as someone saying homosexuals can learn to be straight...

 

[Zack Alklazaris]

I'm sure the stats are higher than they say (3.8 for gay, lesbian, bi. http://gaylife.about.com/od/comingout/a/population.htm) but not everyone is going to like penis and not everyone is going to like vagina. Which puts a dampener on the whole bi thing.

 

[lacktheknack]

I can appreciate a handsome man in the same way I can appreciate a handsome building.

Do I want to fuck a building? Nope.

Wait, you wouldn't - that's not - ahm... That's not normal behav - ? Oop - well, this is awkward.

 

[Jonluw]

No thanks.
I think that would be very misleading. I'm afraid I might end up being solicited for sex by men and it would be really awkward when I turned them down.
"But aren't you a bisexual?"
"Well, yeah, but I don't like the cock."
"So you're biromantic, then?"
"No, I like the women."
"...But you're bi..."
"Yeah."
"So you like both?"
"Nope. Not a big fan of cock."
"But you're bi."
"Ayup."
"Surely you must be able to recognize some men as handsome or attractive to call yourself bi?"
"Well, as I'm sure you will agree, considering that you're propositioning me, I am fairly stunning... [http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/1087535149_PNScU-L.jpg]"
"You're only autosexual...?"
"What? No, I don't fuck cars! How would you even do that? I mean... the tailpipe would scratch everything up and... *shiver*"
"No. 'Autosexual'. Sex with yourself. Having the hots for yourself."
"But I can't stick my dick in myself... Unless... I guess I could try to bend my dick back to my asshole..."
"If you could do that you'd be in pornos."
"Yeah. *zips pants back up* My dick might be impressive, but not that impressive apparently."
"So you're not autosexual?"
"No sir."
"You're bisexual?"
"Yeppers."
"Would you like to come back to my place then?"
"I've already told you: I don't want to touch your dick, damnit."
"You don't have to be the pitcher you know. You don't have to touch any dick at all."
"I'm not interested in having you touch my dick either!"

etc. etc.

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What?
Are you laughing at the notion that I'd be solicited for sex by men?
I will have you know that my stunning muscular body and brilliant visage has bent many a straight man out of shape.

"The tailpipe would scratch everything up and..."

I almost lost it.

Ah, well, personal experience.
There was a bit of an episode back when I attended the unveiling of the 458 Italia...

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How many police were there?

None.
Embarrassingly, I was dragged away by a couple of mall cops with my cock hanging out.

 

[lacktheknack]

No thanks.
I think that would be very misleading. I'm afraid I might end up being solicited for sex by men and it would be really awkward when I turned them down.
"But aren't you a bisexual?"
"Well, yeah, but I don't like the cock."
"So you're biromantic, then?"
"No, I like the women."
"...But you're bi..."
"Yeah."
"So you like both?"
"Nope. Not a big fan of cock."
"But you're bi."
"Ayup."
"Surely you must be able to recognize some men as handsome or attractive to call yourself bi?"
"Well, as I'm sure you will agree, considering that you're propositioning me, I am fairly stunning... [http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/1087535149_PNScU-L.jpg]"
"You're only autosexual...?"
"What? No, I don't fuck cars! How would you even do that? I mean... the tailpipe would scratch everything up and... *shiver*"
"No. 'Autosexual'. Sex with yourself. Having the hots for yourself."
"But I can't stick my dick in myself... Unless... I guess I could try to bend my dick back to my asshole..."
"If you could do that you'd be in pornos."
"Yeah. *zips pants back up* My dick might be impressive, but not that impressive apparently."
"So you're not autosexual?"
"No sir."
"You're bisexual?"
"Yeppers."
"Would you like to come back to my place then?"
"I've already told you: I don't want to touch your dick, damnit."
"You don't have to be the pitcher you know. You don't have to touch any dick at all."
"I'm not interested in having you touch my dick either!"

etc. etc.

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What?
Are you laughing at the notion that I'd be solicited for sex by men?
I will have you know that my stunning muscular body and brilliant visage has bent many a straight man out of shape.

"The tailpipe would scratch everything up and..."

I almost lost it.

Ah, well, personal experience.
There was a bit of an episode back when I attended the unveiling of the 458 Italia...

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How many police were there?

None.
Embarrassingly, I was dragged away by a couple of mall cops with my cock hanging out.

Have they lifted your mall ban yet?

 

[Jonluw]

No thanks.
I think that would be very misleading. I'm afraid I might end up being solicited for sex by men and it would be really awkward when I turned them down.
"But aren't you a bisexual?"
"Well, yeah, but I don't like the cock."
"So you're biromantic, then?"
"No, I like the women."
"...But you're bi..."
"Yeah."
"So you like both?"
"Nope. Not a big fan of cock."
"But you're bi."
"Ayup."
"Surely you must be able to recognize some men as handsome or attractive to call yourself bi?"
"Well, as I'm sure you will agree, considering that you're propositioning me, I am fairly stunning... [http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/1087535149_PNScU-L.jpg]"
"You're only autosexual...?"
"What? No, I don't fuck cars! How would you even do that? I mean... the tailpipe would scratch everything up and... *shiver*"
"No. 'Autosexual'. Sex with yourself. Having the hots for yourself."
"But I can't stick my dick in myself... Unless... I guess I could try to bend my dick back to my asshole..."
"If you could do that you'd be in pornos."
"Yeah. *zips pants back up* My dick might be impressive, but not that impressive apparently."
"So you're not autosexual?"
"No sir."
"You're bisexual?"
"Yeppers."
"Would you like to come back to my place then?"
"I've already told you: I don't want to touch your dick, damnit."
"You don't have to be the pitcher you know. You don't have to touch any dick at all."
"I'm not interested in having you touch my dick either!"

etc. etc.

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What?
Are you laughing at the notion that I'd be solicited for sex by men?
I will have you know that my stunning muscular body and brilliant visage has bent many a straight man out of shape.

"The tailpipe would scratch everything up and..."

I almost lost it.

Ah, well, personal experience.
There was a bit of an episode back when I attended the unveiling of the 458 Italia...

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How many police were there?

None.
Embarrassingly, I was dragged away by a couple of mall cops with my cock hanging out.

Have they lifted your mall ban yet?

That would imply that they were able to enforce it in the first place...

Do you know how much mall cops are paid?

Ask yourself if you would stand in the way of a half naked man running towards you, fully erect and screaming, for that kind of money.

 

[lacktheknack]

No thanks.
I think that would be very misleading. I'm afraid I might end up being solicited for sex by men and it would be really awkward when I turned them down.
"But aren't you a bisexual?"
"Well, yeah, but I don't like the cock."
"So you're biromantic, then?"
"No, I like the women."
"...But you're bi..."
"Yeah."
"So you like both?"
"Nope. Not a big fan of cock."
"But you're bi."
"Ayup."
"Surely you must be able to recognize some men as handsome or attractive to call yourself bi?"
"Well, as I'm sure you will agree, considering that you're propositioning me, I am fairly stunning... [http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/1087535149_PNScU-L.jpg]"
"You're only autosexual...?"
"What? No, I don't fuck cars! How would you even do that? I mean... the tailpipe would scratch everything up and... *shiver*"
"No. 'Autosexual'. Sex with yourself. Having the hots for yourself."
"But I can't stick my dick in myself... Unless... I guess I could try to bend my dick back to my asshole..."
"If you could do that you'd be in pornos."
"Yeah. *zips pants back up* My dick might be impressive, but not that impressive apparently."
"So you're not autosexual?"
"No sir."
"You're bisexual?"
"Yeppers."
"Would you like to come back to my place then?"
"I've already told you: I don't want to touch your dick, damnit."
"You don't have to be the pitcher you know. You don't have to touch any dick at all."
"I'm not interested in having you touch my dick either!"

etc. etc.

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What?
Are you laughing at the notion that I'd be solicited for sex by men?
I will have you know that my stunning muscular body and brilliant visage has bent many a straight man out of shape.

"The tailpipe would scratch everything up and..."

I almost lost it.

Ah, well, personal experience.
There was a bit of an episode back when I attended the unveiling of the 458 Italia...

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How many police were there?

None.
Embarrassingly, I was dragged away by a couple of mall cops with my cock hanging out.

Have they lifted your mall ban yet?

That would imply that they were able to enforce it in the first place...

Do you know how much mall cops are paid?

Ask yourself if you would stand in the way of a half naked man running towards you, fully erect and screaming, for that kind of money.

Before the naked face chewing thing? I would have said no.

As for now?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zv8PuFr6eFM/Tsz0cZGtnJI/AAAAAAAAA1M/OxiH1cnqM1Y/s1600/kill_it_with_fire_demotivational_poster_1235695993_RE_Mysterious_Creatures_Found_on_Earth-s580x419-232628.jpg

 

[Jonluw]

No thanks.
I think that would be very misleading. I'm afraid I might end up being solicited for sex by men and it would be really awkward when I turned them down.
"But aren't you a bisexual?"
"Well, yeah, but I don't like the cock."
"So you're biromantic, then?"
"No, I like the women."
"...But you're bi..."
"Yeah."
"So you like both?"
"Nope. Not a big fan of cock."
"But you're bi."
"Ayup."
"Surely you must be able to recognize some men as handsome or attractive to call yourself bi?"
"Well, as I'm sure you will agree, considering that you're propositioning me, I am fairly stunning... [http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/1087535149_PNScU-L.jpg]"
"You're only autosexual...?"
"What? No, I don't fuck cars! How would you even do that? I mean... the tailpipe would scratch everything up and... *shiver*"
"No. 'Autosexual'. Sex with yourself. Having the hots for yourself."
"But I can't stick my dick in myself... Unless... I guess I could try to bend my dick back to my asshole..."
"If you could do that you'd be in pornos."
"Yeah. *zips pants back up* My dick might be impressive, but not that impressive apparently."
"So you're not autosexual?"
"No sir."
"You're bisexual?"
"Yeppers."
"Would you like to come back to my place then?"
"I've already told you: I don't want to touch your dick, damnit."
"You don't have to be the pitcher you know. You don't have to touch any dick at all."
"I'm not interested in having you touch my dick either!"

etc. etc.

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What?
Are you laughing at the notion that I'd be solicited for sex by men?
I will have you know that my stunning muscular body and brilliant visage has bent many a straight man out of shape.

"The tailpipe would scratch everything up and..."

I almost lost it.

Ah, well, personal experience.
There was a bit of an episode back when I attended the unveiling of the 458 Italia...

Pfffpfffpfpffpppfpffpfpfppfpppffpfpfffppfpffpfpfpfpfffpppffpfppffffff

How many police were there?

None.
Embarrassingly, I was dragged away by a couple of mall cops with my cock hanging out.

Have they lifted your mall ban yet?

That would imply that they were able to enforce it in the first place...

Do you know how much mall cops are paid?

Ask yourself if you would stand in the way of a half naked man running towards you, fully erect and screaming, for that kind of money.

Before the naked face chewing thing? I would have said no.

As for now?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zv8PuFr6eFM/Tsz0cZGtnJI/AAAAAAAAA1M/OxiH1cnqM1Y/s1600/kill_it_with_fire_demotivational_poster_1235695993_RE_Mysterious_Creatures_Found_on_Earth-s580x419-232628.jpg

Just relax.
I'm fairly certain zombies cannot maintain erections.

Spoiler: Unless...

 

[DoomyMcDoom]

It might be because I'm a bit fucked, but I'm either turned on or not, and unless I'm seein female flesh, I'm not, I can look at anything else and try to immagine it as sexy, but nothing happens at all to turn me on or even make me uncomfortable, I mean if someone tried to get in my face I might get a little agitated and give them a bit of a shove to get them outa my space, but if you take that as being aroused by said person, in a sexual way... you need counseling.

 

[Johnny Impact]

If you are bisexual, congratulations. You have doubled your options.

Trying to imply that everyone is like you, however, is simply idiotic. I recognize that fit, tanned, chisel-jawed men are more attractive than fat, pale, slovenly creatures like myself, but there's a pretty big difference between recognizing male sex appeal and wanting to have sex.

For that matter, I've been around very physically attractive women whom I would not touch with a ten foot pole due to their personalities.

 

[Skratt]

I'm actually so turned off by the thought of sleeping with a man that it amazes me that women sleep with men let alone other men sleeping with men.

Everyone isn't bi, and admitting that doesn't fix the problem of homophobia - but you get points toward the ignorant quick fix topic award.

 

[The Thinker]

I can appreciate a handsome man in the same way I can appreciate a handsome building.

Do I want to fuck a building? Nope.

Wait, you wouldn't - that's not - ahm... That's not normal behav - ? Oop - well, this is awkward.

Don't worry, mate; he just hasn't met the right building yet. I'm sure that's it. Yes. Must be.

 

[Emperor Nat]

So it comes down to "everyone is a shade of grey" versus "I am 100% black/white all of the time without exception". And I can't help but feel the latter concept is just logically flawed, regardless of whether people feel insulted by the idea that they don't understand their own sexuality.

Logically flawed? Based on the scientific legwork you didn't do? What's insulting is coming across bullshit like people saying that I don't understand my own sexuality when they have jack shit to back it up. Like claiming something is logically flawed without doing the fucking obvious step of using logic and show it is.

My point, that people's sexuality can change, is trivially easy to back up. I could bury you in cases and examples of people who began with one sexual orientation, and then shifted or gradually changed to another, if you like. Also, there is bisexuality.
Therefore, a grey area must exist, logically.

Now, it is up to you (or whomever) to prove that there are people who fall outside of this grey area (and will always remain outside of it), if you want to disprove my theory that nobody falls outside the grey area (and thusly nobody is technically purely straight or gay). But I don't think that's technically possible, because how can you even define what being 100% straight is? And even if you could, I doubt anyone could attain (let alone maintain) such perfection (and I'm saying that as a heterosexual mind you).

And, until you can disprove/discredit that theory, you can't call anyone who believes it ignorant without seeming, at the very least, unscientific.

Being 100% straight means that there is no circumstance under which you would want to sleep with someone of your own gender. Simple as.

Regardless of where people fall on the scale, the two ends of the scale do exist.