Id respect the anti violent video game lobby.....

[Quadocky]

Glenn Beck actually has defensible positions and thought processes behind them, as can easily be seen if you read any of his books. But you can't CONCEIVE of this, because you've based all your opinions off of a few bad clips you've seen off his purposefully inflammatory show. PROTIP: It's intentionally inflammatory.

You don't have to even read any of his books or watch his show to discover he is a complete piece of shit.

Re. Read. My. Damned. Post.

And maybe you should take the time to comprehend the meaning of my post before launching on a inglorious tangent.

You are advocating the idea that somehow he is worthy of note or recognition beyond him being a piece of shit.

I can assure you with utmost certainty, he is not, nor ever will be. He is nothing but a charlatan who deals fear and ignorance to the elderly in exchange for cash. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[lacktheknack]

Glenn Beck actually has defensible positions and thought processes behind them, as can easily be seen if you read any of his books. But you can't CONCEIVE of this, because you've based all your opinions off of a few bad clips you've seen off his purposefully inflammatory show. PROTIP: It's intentionally inflammatory.

You don't have to even read any of his books or watch his show to discover he is a complete piece of shit.

Re. Read. My. Damned. Post.

And maybe you should take the time to comprehend the meaning of my post before launching on a inglorious tangent.

You are advocating the idea that somehow he is worthy of note or recognition beyond him being a piece of shit.

I can assure you with utmost certainty, he is not, nor ever will be. He is nothing but a charlatan who deals fear and ignorance to the elderly in exchange for cash. Nothing more, nothing less.

Yes, I am advocating that.

And as someone who actually read his stuff, that gives me far more credibility than you.

I don't give a shit if he wrote fucking war and peace 2 in his spare time.

This is a man who openly admits he wants to murder people, calls victims of 9/11 whiners, and calls our president a racist.

Why would I WANT to read his book? Beyond that he has co-authors on some of them to help reel in his shit. What he presents to the public is what he'll get judged on, and he presents a whack job to the public.

I read the not-co-authored ones. What he's presented to ME is that he is a right-leaning pundit who has a somewhat different take on various hot-button subjects that he mixes with sometimes-on-sometimes-off humor. Of course, I avoid the show, because I think it's a terrible idea.

Also, WHERE does he do these mythical things? People keep telling me he says these things, but no matter how much I ask, no one can actually show me, in context, where he says these things. Wanna be the first?

 

[Saviordd1]

Glenn Beck actually has defensible positions and thought processes behind them, as can easily be seen if you read any of his books. But you can't CONCEIVE of this, because you've based all your opinions off of a few bad clips you've seen off his purposefully inflammatory show. PROTIP: It's intentionally inflammatory.

You don't have to even read any of his books or watch his show to discover he is a complete piece of shit.

Re. Read. My. Damned. Post.

And maybe you should take the time to comprehend the meaning of my post before launching on a inglorious tangent.

You are advocating the idea that somehow he is worthy of note or recognition beyond him being a piece of shit.

I can assure you with utmost certainty, he is not, nor ever will be. He is nothing but a charlatan who deals fear and ignorance to the elderly in exchange for cash. Nothing more, nothing less.

Yes, I am advocating that.

And as someone who actually read his stuff, that gives me far more credibility than you.

I don't give a shit if he wrote fucking war and peace 2 in his spare time.

This is a man who openly admits he wants to murder people, calls victims of 9/11 whiners, and calls our president a racist.

Why would I WANT to read his book? Beyond that he has co-authors on some of them to help reel in his shit. What he presents to the public is what he'll get judged on, and he presents a whack job to the public.

I read the not-co-authored ones. What he's presented to ME is that he is a right-leaning pundit who has a somewhat different take on various hot-button subjects that he mixes with sometimes-on-sometimes-off humor. Of course, I avoid the show, because I think it's a terrible idea.

Also, WHERE does he do these mythical things? People keep telling me he says these things, but no matter how much I ask, no one can actually show me, in context, where he says these things. Wanna be the first?

9/11 victims

Obama is racist

Killing Micheal Moore
BECK: Hang on, let me just tell you what I'm thinking. I'm thinking about killing Michael Moore, and I'm wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it. No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out -- is this wrong? I stopped wearing my What Would Jesus -- band -- Do, and I've lost all sense of right and wrong now. I used to be able to say, "Yeah, I'd kill Michael Moore," and then I'd see the little band: What Would Jesus Do? And then I'd realize, "Oh, you wouldn't kill Michael Moore. Or at least you wouldn't choke him to death." And you know, well, I'm not sure.

Source [http://politicalhumor.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&zTi=1&sdn=politicalhumor&cdn=entertainment&tm=7&f=11&su=p284.13.342.ip_p504.6.342.ip_&tt=2&bt=0&bts=0&st=31&zu=http%3A//mediamatters.org/research/200505180008]

Freaking out like a professional

Being an ass to India

Something that transcends words

Being a general clown

Being absolutely paranoid

Losing his own morals?
"On November 6, 2006: "You know, we all have our inner demons. I, for one -- I can`t speak for you, but I`m on the verge of moral collapse at any time. It can happen by the end of the show."

Source [http://voices.yahoo.com/is-glenn-beck-crazy-all-act-3586811.html?cat=9]

I can get more.

 

[Loonyyy]

I'm stopping at Beck. Beck is crazy, and shows terrible failures of reasoning and lying on a regular basis. If that's any part of your baseline for discourse, discourse will fail.

And some of those people who are against violent video games have played them, they just have a different position. Whether it is supported or not remains to be seen.

But hey, let's talk about the stupid scaremongering people's impressions of them rather than anything substantive. That's a good idea *Facepalm*.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

I don't know what video games he's been looking at (if any), but I've not heard of many with a suicide option. Well other then intentionally allowing the enemy to kill you that is.

Also is it too hard for people to believe that human beings are just violent by nature? Hell we've been waging wars against each other centuries before video games were even invented.

You know what? I'd like to see a shooting massacre perpetuated by someone who's never touched a video game in their lives, well other than maybe Tetris or Bejeweled. Love to see how they'd react to that.

 

[Agayek]

I didn't know there was an anti games lobby, I thought it was just a bunch of random politicians who ranted and railed about games when something bad happened so they could appear like they were 'doing something'. I doubt there's some concerted lobby effort to somehow put a stop to all these games.

It's not really officially organized, but it's very much there.

It's the standard "X is new, we didn't have this when I was a kid and kids today suck, therefore it must be the fault of X" logic that comes up every time a new media form is introduced. It happened with movies, it happened with music (hell, it happens with every new genre). It's going to keep happening because people have nostalgia glasses and don't know how to filter them out. It's just human nature.

 

[Agayek]

You know what? I'd like to see a shooting massacre perpetuated by someone who's never touched a video game in their lives, well other than maybe Tetris or Bejeweled. Love to see how they'd react to that.

Clearly that would still make it the fault of video games. He wasn't able to work out his aggression in a safe, productive (or at least non-harmful) way. Video game developers should have made better simulators so that he could vent on pixels instead of people.

 

[Rawne1980]

Sorry, can't talk.

Just played Bioshock so now i'm off to find an underwater utopia and massacre it's insane citizens.

Not my fault, computer games made me do it.

 

[recruit00]

You know, I was expecting the typical Escapist response to this issue then I saw Glenn Beck mentioned and knew this was going to end badly. And oh it did. By god it did.

Mods, please lock this thread. Flaming and chaos going on here.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

You know what? I'd like to see a shooting massacre perpetuated by someone who's never touched a video game in their lives, well other than maybe Tetris or Bejeweled. Love to see how they'd react to that.

Clearly that would still make it the fault of video games. He wasn't able to work out his aggression in a safe, productive (or at least non-harmful) way. Video game developers should have made better simulators so that he could vent on pixels instead of people.

Yes, WE know that, but I'd love to hear what those anti-video game lobbyists would have to say about it when they couldn't use their favorite scapegoat. Unless they'd want to suggest that Tetris or Bejeweled causes violent tendencies in people or whatever.

 

[lacktheknack]

Glenn Beck actually has defensible positions and thought processes behind them, as can easily be seen if you read any of his books. But you can't CONCEIVE of this, because you've based all your opinions off of a few bad clips you've seen off his purposefully inflammatory show. PROTIP: It's intentionally inflammatory.

You don't have to even read any of his books or watch his show to discover he is a complete piece of shit.

Re. Read. My. Damned. Post.

And maybe you should take the time to comprehend the meaning of my post before launching on a inglorious tangent.

You are advocating the idea that somehow he is worthy of note or recognition beyond him being a piece of shit.

I can assure you with utmost certainty, he is not, nor ever will be. He is nothing but a charlatan who deals fear and ignorance to the elderly in exchange for cash. Nothing more, nothing less.

Yes, I am advocating that.

And as someone who actually read his stuff, that gives me far more credibility than you.

I don't give a shit if he wrote fucking war and peace 2 in his spare time.

This is a man who openly admits he wants to murder people, calls victims of 9/11 whiners, and calls our president a racist.

Why would I WANT to read his book? Beyond that he has co-authors on some of them to help reel in his shit. What he presents to the public is what he'll get judged on, and he presents a whack job to the public.

I read the not-co-authored ones. What he's presented to ME is that he is a right-leaning pundit who has a somewhat different take on various hot-button subjects that he mixes with sometimes-on-sometimes-off humor. Of course, I avoid the show, because I think it's a terrible idea.

Also, WHERE does he do these mythical things? People keep telling me he says these things, but no matter how much I ask, no one can actually show me, in context, where he says these things. Wanna be the first?

9/11 victims

Obama is racist

Killing Micheal Moore
BECK: Hang on, let me just tell you what I'm thinking. I'm thinking about killing Michael Moore, and I'm wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it. No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out -- is this wrong? I stopped wearing my What Would Jesus -- band -- Do, and I've lost all sense of right and wrong now. I used to be able to say, "Yeah, I'd kill Michael Moore," and then I'd see the little band: What Would Jesus Do? And then I'd realize, "Oh, you wouldn't kill Michael Moore. Or at least you wouldn't choke him to death." And you know, well, I'm not sure.

Source [http://politicalhumor.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&zTi=1&sdn=politicalhumor&cdn=entertainment&tm=7&f=11&su=p284.13.342.ip_p504.6.342.ip_&tt=2&bt=0&bts=0&st=31&zu=http%3A//mediamatters.org/research/200505180008]

Freaking out like a professional

Being an ass to India

Something that transcends words

Being a general clown

Being absolutely paranoid

Losing his own morals?
"On November 6, 2006: "You know, we all have our inner demons. I, for one -- I can`t speak for you, but I`m on the verge of moral collapse at any time. It can happen by the end of the show."

Source [http://voices.yahoo.com/is-glenn-beck-crazy-all-act-3586811.html?cat=9]

I can get more.

Thank you for actually caring.

Now, I still think there's overly dedicated demonizing, but yes, my opinion has fallen significantly. I still will defend him, though.

Why?

Because even though he's completely tactless, he tends to be making completely different points than what people take away. For example, he doesn't hate ALL 9/11 victims like every Escapist and their dog would have me believe, he just hates what he sees as attention whores who cannot be satisfied. Was saying this with the context of 9/11 victims a smart idea? Nope. In fact, I can't think of a worse way to say it. But that WAS his point, and while he's still a douche for victim-hating, it's not the victim-hating that everyone wants to believe.

In the Obama one, he was, again, making a different point. He was making a connection between the various people Obama hires, and noted similarities... one of which was racially charged. Was it appropriate or a good idea for him to make the "racist" comment? No, but it's not the point either that everyone wants it to be. I'm not up on my US politics, but if Obama IS specifically hiring people entrenched in a "Black Liberation" movement, then that's something worth discussing. That's what Beck was trying to bring around... and failed, because he's a jackass on TV.

And the Michael Moore one is STUPID. Can't you detect any form of satire? He overplayed his dislike for Michael Moore for comic effect. There's a 99% chance you've done the same damn thing yourself. Hy-per-bo-le. There's literally no reason to think otherwise unless you have a hell of an axe to grind. It's overwhelmingly likely that he was mocking people hanging their morality on jewelry (a weirdly common thing around here).

Same with the "morals" comment. No person actually says that straight-faced. People keep forgetting that Glenn Beck is an ENTERTAINER in part, as well as a pundit. Think Steven Colbert, except he actually is the pundit he's representing.

The "trandscends words" one doesn't transcend words, he just thinks the current government is the first step of an oligarchy, tried too hard to make a point, and failed at spelling. He has reasons to think that (I don't know what they are, and I doubt I'd agree, but there are reasons, and probably not a quarter as insane as you'd think they'd be, he probably discusses them elsewhere in a clip that's too sane and reasoned to decontextualize and put on YouTube), so the only thing notable is his failure to spell. Hilarious? Yes. Hate-worthy? Not really.

Etc, etc.

Do I think Glenn Beck should clamp his trap a bit? Yes. Is he worthy of the pure, demonic hatred everyone musters up for him? Not even close.

 

[Agayek]

Yes, WE know that, but I'd love to hear what those anti-video game lobbyists would have to say about it when they couldn't use their favorite scapegoat. Unless they'd want to suggest that Tetris or Bejeweled causes violent tendencies in people or whatever.

I think you missed my point. I was trying to say that if a gunman who'd never even heard of video games went on a rampage, they'd still blame video games, for not being bloody enough to satisfy his bloodlust.

 

[JoesshittyOs]

You lost all credibility and should now cease to ever open your mouth after admitting to being a big fan of Glenn Beck.

Go take a hike.

Glenn Beck actually has defensible positions and thought processes behind them, as can easily be seen if you read any of his books. But you can't CONCEIVE of this, because you've based all your opinions off of a few bad clips you've seen off his purposefully inflammatory show. PROTIP: It's intentionally inflammatory.

And yes you goddamn have. I've never met a dedicated Beck hater that's actually read the books and watched full episodes of the show, people who have are mostly just annoyed by him, or like him, and I have no reason to doubt that you're any exception.

Stupid people can be right sometimes. That doesn't mean they aren't stupid.

To invoke Goodwin's law; Hitler had some genuinely good ideas. But he was still Hitler.

 

[lacktheknack]

You lost all credibility and should now cease to ever open your mouth after admitting to being a big fan of Glenn Beck.

Go take a hike.

Glenn Beck actually has defensible positions and thought processes behind them, as can easily be seen if you read any of his books. But you can't CONCEIVE of this, because you've based all your opinions off of a few bad clips you've seen off his purposefully inflammatory show. PROTIP: It's intentionally inflammatory.

And yes you goddamn have. I've never met a dedicated Beck hater that's actually read the books and watched full episodes of the show, people who have are mostly just annoyed by him, or like him, and I have no reason to doubt that you're any exception.

Stupid people can be right sometimes. That doesn't mean they aren't stupid.

To invoke Goodwin's law; Hitler had some genuinely good ideas. But he was still Hitler.

Oh, I think Beck's a jackass. But it really gets my goat how people try to overhype him into a seventh-circle demon rather than just a jackass.

Like, REALLY gets it.

Gets it enough that I go on long arguments defending him.

(Oh God, what have I done with my life?)

 

[Canadamus Prime]

Yes, WE know that, but I'd love to hear what those anti-video game lobbyists would have to say about it when they couldn't use their favorite scapegoat. Unless they'd want to suggest that Tetris or Bejeweled causes violent tendencies in people or whatever.

I think you missed my point. I was trying to say that if a gunman who'd never even heard of video games went on a rampage, they'd still blame video games, for not being bloody enough to satisfy his bloodlust.

Oh sort of a rock and a hard place kinda thing eh? I see.

 

[Tanis]

Glenn Beck?
Isn't he the 'I can connect anyone and anything I don't like to Hitler/Nazis in 7 degrees or less'?

 

[dimensional]

I must say I am surprised so many are left alive with all the unstable trained killers out there now thanks to video games. Now if you will excuse me I am off to play MVC3 so I can improve my hand to hand techniques and be prepared if faced in a similar mano a mano 3 person team situation gotta love these combat simulators, no one dies though no matter the injury they just get knocked out.

 

[Quadocky]

I'm not up on my US politics...

I am of the humble opinion that if you were, you too would discover just how bad Glenn Beck's shit smells.