Idaho conservatives are trying to set the date of life beginning *way* before conception

[Worgen]

Shame democrats are trying to play that game too, except it backfires horribly for them. Double shame that we can never talk about why democrats are a losing party because whenever a hint of introspection comes up, "but republicans".

Because it usually is because of republicans. I get that you are biased as hell, but at some point you have to look at the bigger picture and get a better understanding of how government works. This "we won, we are in charge, we should be able to do everything I want RIGHT NOW" shtick isn't as charming as you think.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Because it usually is because of republicans. I get that you are biased as hell, but at some point you have to look at the bigger picture and get a better understanding of how government works. This "we won, we are in charge, we should be able to do everything I want RIGHT NOW" shtick isn't as charming as you think.

Being a simp is even less charming.

Nobody made Biden open up public lands to drilling faster than Trump ever did, he did that all on his own.
Nobody made the Biden administration aggressively go after student loan debtors, even ones that managed to get out from their debt.
Nobody made the Biden administration restart Trump's remain in Mexico policy.
Biden can circumvent congress to make a cushy job for a crony, but can't get around an unelected bureaucrat that previous administrations ignored.

No, none of this is republican fault. Republicans may not provide votes in congress, but with no pressure on the democrats they don't provide votes either, and they seem perfectly fine with this. Mostly because they're banking on people like you, but that doesn't win elections outside of very extraordinary circumstances.

Because to circle this back around, we're supposed to vote against republicans because they hate transgender folk. Fair. Democrats could stop this or at least look like they're interested in stopping this, but aren't. So why vote for them?

 

[Thaluikhain]

Because to circle this back around, we're supposed to vote against republicans because they hate transgender folk. Fair. Democrats could stop this or at least look like they're interested in stopping this, but aren't. So why vote for them?

Because they will go out of their way to harm trans people less than the alternative. A vote for democrats is a vote against the only other viable option. Should an actually progressive option turn up, shortly after the inauguration quite a few of the current leaders of the Republicans and Democrats start arguing over who gets which bunk in their cells.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Because they will go out of their way to harm trans people less than the alternative. A vote for democrats is a vote against the only other viable option. Should an actually progressive option turn up, shortly after the inauguration quite a few of the current leaders of the Republicans and Democrats start arguing over who gets which bunk in their cells.

But it's not a complete stripping down from top to bottom, in this case it's relevant because all of these attacks on civil liberties are happening anyway, and the democrats aren't stopping them on any level. Like here, the point of this thread. Of course on the state level there aren't democrats to stop them, which is fair, but as mentioned there is legislation in congress that would give some leverage at the very least and it can't make it out of committee purely on democrat (lack of) will.

 

[Worgen]

Being a simp is even less charming.

Nobody made Biden open up public lands to drilling faster than Trump ever did, he did that all on his own.
Nobody made the Biden administration aggressively go after student loan debtors, even ones that managed to get out from their debt.
Nobody made the Biden administration restart Trump's remain in Mexico policy.
Biden can circumvent congress to make a cushy job for a crony, but can't get around an unelected bureaucrat that previous administrations ignored.

No, none of this is republican fault. Republicans may not provide votes in congress, but with no pressure on the democrats they don't provide votes either, and they seem perfectly fine with this. Mostly because they're banking on people like you, but that doesn't win elections outside of very extraordinary circumstances.

Because to circle this back around, we're supposed to vote against republicans because they hate transgender folk. Fair. Democrats could stop this or at least look like they're interested in stopping this, but aren't. So why vote for them?

Better then being a republican plant.

How many of those were actually from the trump administration and didn't just finish going through during the Biden administration?
Did they? Cause we also got a decent amount of student loan relief and freezes on the debts coming due under Biden.
You do realize that TX sued the Biden administration for its 100 day deportation freeze and won, so it literally was republicans messing things up.

I get that you aren't happy unless republicans control everything. Maybe its because yelling at the "evil Empire" is fun, but more likely I think you are just a republican pretending to be a progressive so you can make them look good.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Better then being a republican plant.

How many of those were actually from the trump administration and didn't just finish going through during the Biden administration?
Did they? Cause we also got a decent amount of student loan relief and freezes on the debts coming due under Biden.
You do realize that TX sued the Biden administration for its 100 day deportation freeze and won, so it literally was republicans messing things up.

I get that you aren't happy unless republicans control everything. Maybe its because yelling at the "evil Empire" is fun, but more likely I think you are just a republican pretending to be a progressive so you can make them look good.

It's perfectly possible to hate the Dems while hating the GOP more. It's also possible to be more disappointed with the side that claims to not be evil.

 

[Cheetodust]

I get that you aren't happy unless republicans control everything. Maybe its because yelling at the "evil Empire" is fun, but more likely I think you are just a republican pretending to be a progressive so you can make them look good.

Nah, you're just a neo-lib who thinks the poor's have it as good as they deserve

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Better then being a republican plant.

How many of those were actually from the trump administration and didn't just finish going through during the Biden administration?

New Data: Biden’s First Year Drilling Permitting Stomps Trump’s By 34%

Center for Biological Diversity: Thousands of Permits OK’d Despite President’s Authority to End Drilling by 2035

biologicaldiversity.org

Biden approved drilling permits faster than Trump did, despite pledging to do the opposite.

Did they? Cause we also got a decent amount of student loan relief and freezes on the debts coming due under Biden.

Biden Moves To Block Student Debt Victory

The president created draconian bankruptcy laws — now his administration appears to be trying to overturn a ruling that helps those bankrupted by student loans.

www.levernews.com

Yes.

You do realize that TX sued the Biden administration for its 100 day deportation freeze and won, so it literally was republicans messing things up.

Biden’s bewildering decision to expand a Trump-era immigration policy

The Biden administration says it’s still committed to ending “Remain in Mexico.”

www.vox.com

Literally nobody's fault but his own.

I get that you aren't happy unless republicans control everything. Maybe its because yelling at the "evil Empire" is fun, but more likely I think you are just a republican pretending to be a progressive so you can make them look good.

No, but you come off as one, since you're apologizing for republican policies.

 

[Cheetodust]

New Data: Biden’s First Year Drilling Permitting Stomps Trump’s By 34%

Center for Biological Diversity: Thousands of Permits OK’d Despite President’s Authority to End Drilling by 2035

biologicaldiversity.org

Biden approved drilling permits faster than Trump did, despite pledging to do the opposite.

Biden Moves To Block Student Debt Victory

The president created draconian bankruptcy laws — now his administration appears to be trying to overturn a ruling that helps those bankrupted by student loans.

www.levernews.com

Yes.

Biden’s bewildering decision to expand a Trump-era immigration policy

The Biden administration says it’s still committed to ending “Remain in Mexico.”

www.vox.com

Literally nobody's fault but his own.



No, but you come off as one, since you're apologizing for republican policies.

You're not getting it, it's not the policies that matter, it's what team is implementing them

 

[Trunkage]

It's perfectly possible to hate the Dems while hating the GOP more. It's also possible to be more disappointed with the side that claims to not be evil.

Switch in Labour and Liberal and you have our dilemma in 2 month. What a shitshow

 

[Trunkage]

But it's not a complete stripping down from top to bottom, in this case it's relevant because all of these attacks on civil liberties are happening anyway, and the democrats aren't stopping them on any level. Like here, the point of this thread. Of course on the state level there aren't democrats to stop them, which is fair, but as mentioned there is legislation in congress that would give some leverage at the very least and it can't make it out of committee purely on democrat (lack of) will.

It's all damage mitigation. It's not about fixing any problem.

Eg. If Trump was in office, he'd probably try to federally mandate the Texas abortion law.

What's really cool is the GOP frogleaping Roe v Wade and going to case that underpin that decision and do WAY more restrictions than an abortion ban. Unfortunately, Dems have been pretending that's the goal. But abortion bans are just stepping stones to get impacts in society. Their agenda is way bigger than something as small as abortions

 

[crimson5pheonix]

It's all damage mitigation. It's not about fixing any problem.

Eg. If Trump was in office, he'd probably try to federally mandate the Texas abortion law.

What's really cool is the GOP frogleaping Roe v Wade and going to case that underpin that decision and do WAY more restrictions than an abortion ban. Unfortunately, Dems have been pretending that's the goal. But abortion bans are just stepping stones to get impacts in society. Their agenda is way bigger than something as small as abortions

Yes, because if they started fixing problems they'd have to keep fixing problems, but as long as they keep everything on life support, they can draw votes without having to impact their money flow.

 

[Trunkage]

Yes, because if they started fixing problems they'd have to keep fixing problems, but as long as they keep everything on life support, they can draw votes without having to impact their money flow.

You seem to think they at all care about people

When has that ever been a thing?

The US system is specifically design, by the founding fathers, for this not to happen. That was their purpose

 

[crimson5pheonix]

You seem to think they at all care about people

When has that ever been a thing?

The US system is specifically design, by the founding fathers, for this not to happen. That was their purpose

I don't? That's why I said they don't actually fix problems?

 

[Silvanus]

They have been winning. That's the dirty little secret is that every election cycle now centrists lose seats while the progressive wing gains seats. Yes, we'll see what happens when they're big enough to call shots, but the idea that they're unpalatable is a load of hokum. Running on things like M4A and the Green New Deal is actually more electable than stolid half-assed centrism, even in swing districts. Even if people want to cry about electability, centrism is still the wrong answer.

They're certainly more electable than received political wisdom likes to suggest.

But there's a danger of overweighing some recent successes. It seems like a big rate of growth mostly because its coming from a position of near-zero. On a national scale, those tepid centrists are still far more successful electorally. True progressives have gained 20 or so seats, a handful of senatorships, in the last 8 years or so. A big growth. Middle of the road Dems have won seven hundred seats for many decades. Which shows a recent decline... but still far greater relative success.

Not because they have better ideas, note. But yeah, middle America does have an enormous vein of automatic dismissal and distrust of socialism. That vein wouldn't stop a few big victories in ten or so legislator seats. It would certainly stop true progressivism gaining national power.

At least right now. This kinda shit takes a mental paradigm shift.

 

[Silvanus]

Because it usually is because of republicans. I get that you are biased as hell, but at some point you have to look at the bigger picture and get a better understanding of how government works. This "we won, we are in charge, we should be able to do everything I want RIGHT NOW" shtick isn't as charming as you think.

The level of sheer intransigence in the American system is not inherent to how government works, though. Countless (democratic) governments around the world still manage to achieve legislative progress that makes the American legislature look utterly paralysed.

Let's not pretend this mire is unavoidable. It ain't.

 

[Worgen]

The level of sheer intransigence in the American system is not inherent to how government works, though. Countless (democratic) governments around the world still manage to achieve legislative progress that makes the American legislature look utterly paralysed.

Let's not pretend this mire is unavoidable. It ain't.

It all comes back to needing to win harder. If you don't have the votes then you don't have the votes, have to try harder next time, just how it is. You can game things with gerrymandering and messing with elections and such like republicans like to do, but first you have to win states to do that, you also probably don't want to mess with first past the post since if blue states have it and red don't then red probably wins more since they get some of those blue state votes. If the supreme court wasn't so conservative right now then things would be better but this is what we have to work with.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

Switch in Labour and Liberal and you have our dilemma in 2 month. What a shitshow

LNP: Be Evil
ALP: Be Evil But Look Sad About It

 

[Trunkage]

LNP: Be Evil
ALP: Be Evil But Look Sad About It

You just made me vomit with how truthful that is

 

[Thaluikhain]

Eh, the current regime in Australia is particularly bad, though, going back to the good old days of competent evil will be a plus. Or even the good old days of when Abbott was in charge.