If it walks like a person, talks like a person, should you rape it?

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Milo Windby

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summerof2010 said:
Well, if we created mindless androids (And perhaps even non-mindless androids for other reasons: Hazard work, etc...) and used these Mindless androids for sexual ways, I myself don't see anything wrong. Androids are just robots anyways, just a hunk of various metals and other stuff that mimics human flesh... so it can't really harm anyone because the robot it not even real, and mindless as well. No Mind, No Soul (Or whatever a soul is... though I guess thats for another topic)

Clones on the other hand... well... lets just say Androids would be the better choice in my opinion and leave it at that.
 

zfactor

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I would say no to cloning people for the sake of having mindless slaves to do anything with. The medical thing sounds promising, but you can do the same thing with a fake "alive" person (ie robot that has all the right parts). Or even a video game type thing (lots of sergeries are orthescopic (sp?) now, so the doctor controls various instruments inserted through a small cut and controls them with joysticks by watching a computer screen (attached to a camera in said person). But the mindless slave thing sounds an aweful lot like the mediocre movie "Gamer."
 

Verlander

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Someone once said there is only one crime, theft. Whether is is money, innocence or life, you are taking something which doesn't belong to you.

For the question, I'd imagine part of the pedophile predator thing is going for real children. Like you can't cure smoking by giving someone a cardboard tube that looks like a cigarette, and tell them to smoke that instead. It's probably only serve to encourage them.
 

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Mintaro said:
If we created Creatures, or robots for the matter, with the express purpose of absorbing our violent and cruel tendencies, we would be enabling ourselves to maintain those tendencies. Which would stunt our psycological and cultural growth. In essence we would cease to evolve mentally. In fact it is more likely that we would devolve as many people who had previously been holding back those impulses (or finding safe ways to let them out), would suddenly be able to indulge them with abandon. Which would of course desensitise people to them.

To answer your question in another form; what makes us human is the ability to use our logic to better ourselves. By recognising destructive tendencies in ourselves, and making an active choice to not indulge in them, even to use our powers of self control to abolish them from our minds. Creating in their place a person better than before. The ability to control our social evoloution. It is what has made us so powerful to begin with.
This.

Creating living beings (regardless of their level of intelligence), in an attempt to protect 'regular humans' from rapists and pedophiles doesn't seem like a path worth going down. As Mintaro said, once we accommodate the desires of people in need of something like this, we're avoiding change and improvement of the species as a whole.

My real gripe with this are the moral issues involved with creating an organic life for our own satisfaction. Read any story about artificial intelligence, and many times it ends in tragedy for one side or the other. The human species isn't mature enough to give life to its' creations. Abuse from one party or another is always a variable and in the long run regardless of how intelligent something is, it should not be born/bred/grown into slavery.
 

Nanaki316

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Wow reading the title I was about ready to jump in here and mouth off at you for such a disgusting question.
Think the topic is a little too close to my heart to comment without offending anyone I'm just glad to see it wasn't the completely heartless question I thought it was.

Cassita said:
Rape is about control and dominance; it has nothing to do with sex.

If there is no sense of power and struggle, the individual would gain nothing from it.
Yep that's pretty much it.
 

tahrey

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well, rather than just arguing it out, we could ask the realdoll company to make one and see what happens...
 

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SnootyEnglishman said:
No. A child is a child and anyone who seriously thinks of committing a sexual act towards one clearly has mental problems and must be checked out.
This. Only replace "checked out" with "castrated and shot". I have no respect for child molesters and pedophiles.
 

Talshere

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If it has a personality, an identity, then it is a free thinking lifeform, regardless of what its made from. At this point we come up with all sorts of moral quandaries, as you could have a fully mature adult adult AI in a child's frame, than you get all the potential moral recourse from that, and also you could have a child AI with a mental capacity that judged it fit to chose to engage in a sexual engagement.




Basically its a MASSIVE grey moral void.
 

Miles Tormani

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Let's look at it from another angle.

What if it was a virtual reality situation in which there is no "doll," but a virtual representation of someone who seems as much like a human being as they can be, but still an AI? I'm sure a lot of the angry types tend to feel a lot less angry after a typical Prototype rampage. Why couldn't the same thing work for the sexually frustrated types?

(EDIT: I'm not going to post my own conclusion on that because I'm not entirely certain myself. Just bringing up a different line of thinking for the OP's scenario.)
 

Om Nom Nom

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Honestly, the risk of creating something that just can't express those things is too great.

Miles Tormani said:
[. . .] What if it was a virtual reality situation in which there is no "doll," [. . .]
That's what I'm thinking as well. It's a much safer way to blow off steam.
 

Kyuubi Fanatic

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It says more about who we are when we have such things and choose whether or not to still do such actions. Even if the object couldn't feel pain or remember abuse, the act itself is wrong, and we are simply using a replacement because we "can get away with it".

In the end we simply justify it to ourselves and those around us. If it needs justification to not be amoral, it probably still is.
 

TPiddy

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There are just some urges in this world that are better left unfed. We know now that the urge to rape and the urge to have sex with minors / children are mental issues that play on control, domination, innocence and the sexual appeal therein.

Exposing and exploring these urges will just uncover newer, sicker urges. You can't just appease the urge and expect the problem to go away, it will just make it worse. Part of the reason these urges develop in the first place is an early exposition to them. Hell, in the middle ages, women were married at 10-12 years old. Raping and pillaging was commonplace.

We have evolved as a society to the point where we can clearly define what is and is not socially acceptable, and making something more socially acceptable is just going to lead to the further deterioration of our morals.
 

Withall

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Sexual preference is based on some very basic principles: "Does it look/act human? Can it believably indicate sexual interest? Does it understand what it is?".

These three core questions form what I consider the very key components in what humans look for in their sexual partner. Those are my objective points. My subjective points in relation from to the above points.

A human child has an appearance and behaviour that gives the impression of an incomplete human. It is the duty of "completed" humans to make sure that the incomplete one becomes as complete as them. Raising and nurturing the child, in short. A complete human could also be called an "individual".

Cloned humans, without a sense of "self" (i.e, an incomplete human) loses a very important trait to myself: the ability to choose for itself, and what to do with it's life. A "real" person, an individual has this ability and drive since birth: conditions around it while maturing affects how much is sees or believes itself capable off.

In my mind, one of the greatest abilities that humans have are their ability to question. Social norms and or religion could, and have proven themselves to be very good at limiting that ability: but not break it down completely.
Though, this ability depends entirely on a person's ability to express itself: it requires higher thinking, and a language that others understand.

A clone could be deprived of this: and as a result of that, it'd look like a human, but it'd be trapped in the Uncanny Valley, which robs it out of it's seeming humanity, which would also rob it of the dignity normal, mentally healthy people attribute to other people.

To me, the "human dignity" is integral to sexual attraction. The notion of "throw-away partners" (meaning you sleep with different people each time) reflects immaturity and insecurity, but also a lack of empathy and recognition of other's value, and their dignity as humans, which indicates that all you are looking for is a masturbatory device with a body temperature and the ability to do what you want it to do.


Gynoids/andriods falls squarely under that definition as well: an robotic artificial human lacks even the notion of human dignity by default: they aren't even human.
They might look human, but go deeper than skin-deep, and you find they are fake. They are as deep into the uncanny valley as they come. And seeing as they have the appearance of humans, but aren't- they simply become very realistic masturbation tools, and a chance for the user to feel like they have control over a full-grown (complete) human.

In short:
Cassita said:
Rape is about control and dominance; it has nothing to do with sex.

If there is no sense of power and struggle, the individual would gain nothing from it.
I agree, except for the last part: there is a sense of sexual satisfaction- similar to masturbation. If you rob the "satisfier" of human dignity and sense of self, you have exercised the illusion of control over someone else.

Rape is rape. No matter the motivation behind it. Let's not make it less of a moral crime than it is by making the potential "victims" not human, 'aight?
 

Sindaine

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Yoshemo said:
How about instead of letting rapists and pedos get off, we find what causes the fetish for the and eliminate the problem?
This, a million times this. Cleansing fire all over.
 

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Sindaine said:
Yoshemo said:
How about instead of letting rapists and pedos get off, we find what causes the fetish for the and eliminate the problem?
This, a million times this. Cleansing fire all over.
Yes. Despite my previous post, yes. Or, baring that option: getting rid of the people, to make sure the genes doesn't carry on, in case it's hidden in the genes?
 

Miles Tormani

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Withall said:
Sindaine said:
Yoshemo said:
How about instead of letting rapists and pedos get off, we find what causes the fetish for the and eliminate the problem?
This, a million times this. Cleansing fire all over.
Yes. Despite my previous post, yes. Or, baring that option: getting rid of the people, to make sure the genes doesn't carry on, in case it's hidden in the genes?
So you're suggesting that murder or genocide is a better alternative than potentially helping people integrate into society better?
 

Nimbus

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It wouldn't be rape, would it? They would essentially be biological meat-puppet sex toys. Barely living bags of flesh that look like humans.