Yeah I wasn't terribly fond of that plot point either. In fact I wasn't terribly enamoured with Fusion come to think of it.Aiddon said:
If Nintendo Made a New 3D Metroid
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Do you have a source on that? I tried googling it, and all I found is the wikia saying that it's currently the last metroid game (in chronological order).Neronium said:
And I mean, there was the cancelled DS game, Metroid: Dread, which was supposedly set after Fusion.
I'm thinking a Metroid third person shooter and letting From Software have a go at it. They seem know how to A) create engaging exploration gameplay with lots of things to discover and B) use the in-game environment to tell a lot of the story, like the older Metroid games did, rather dumping some exposition on us.
Whoops, my mistake. I thought I had read it in one of the interviews Sakamoto did with Other M, but I remembered wrong. However he did say in an interview that he had no concept of where the story could go after Fusion until he connected Super Metroid and Fusion. Could he have come up with a scenario, yes but as of Fusion to my knowledge all the Metroids should be dead, and bringing them back in some contrived way wouldn't be the best idea. That's where the problem comes in I think, if the Metroids end up coming back then how did they do it. Sakamoto would have to find some way that didn't seem contrived and just pulled out of no where really, or he could just use the Metroid name for legacy at this point and not have Metroids appear at all and just reference them or something. It worked with Majora's Mask as Zelda only shows up once in that game and it was in a flashback. Honestly I think that Sakamoto wrote himself in a corner with this one.Genocidicles said:
Well I think we've established the Prime FPS gameplay formula can be made to work very well with Metroid. I'd like to see more of that, no reason to fix what's not broken.
Especially after Other M, I'm very wary of the idea of 3rd person 3D for Metroid. I suppose it could work by playing off the Zelda formula if it really had to do, but it just works so much better in 1st person.
I would like to see an updated Metroid 2. I normally don't like to be the one to call for remakes, but it's an awesome game that deserves some attention.
I would very much like someone to take another crack at Other M. Other M wasn't that bad, per se, but it's Metroid, and it was still a disappointment. A director's cut with re-done dialogue and voicework and a few changes to the cutscenes would solve 80% of its problems.
Especially after Other M, I'm very wary of the idea of 3rd person 3D for Metroid. I suppose it could work by playing off the Zelda formula if it really had to do, but it just works so much better in 1st person.
I would like to see an updated Metroid 2. I normally don't like to be the one to call for remakes, but it's an awesome game that deserves some attention.
I would very much like someone to take another crack at Other M. Other M wasn't that bad, per se, but it's Metroid, and it was still a disappointment. A director's cut with re-done dialogue and voicework and a few changes to the cutscenes would solve 80% of its problems.
I liked the idea behind Other M. Portraying Samus as broken was quite interesting. If I wanted to focus on story, that's the direction I would like to see Samus taken. Better execution and more clarity, of course, but the same source. In a way, it reminded me of NGE. Focus the story on Samus trying to hold it together. To explore her character, have the story start with her being hired to protect a frontier colony. Set it in first-person in town and first person in missions. Make Samus scary as fuck to the average person.
If I wanted to make a game more focused on gameplay, I would go for third person silent Samus. Put the effort of story and characterization into world building. Lots of environments with exploration. In this one, instead of having one planet, put her in her ship and have her work for bounties. Give her something to chase like for an overarching story. She can dock and receive bounties and purchase upgrades on her weapons. Really focus on the weapons. Make a lot of gunporn and upgrades to really emphasis her mercenary status. Have a bar where she can get missions from more morally gray sources. Then, when she gets a mission, you fly in on a short rail shooter section in your ship to your landing zone where it opens up to a more tactical setting.
If I wanted to make a game more focused on gameplay, I would go for third person silent Samus. Put the effort of story and characterization into world building. Lots of environments with exploration. In this one, instead of having one planet, put her in her ship and have her work for bounties. Give her something to chase like for an overarching story. She can dock and receive bounties and purchase upgrades on her weapons. Really focus on the weapons. Make a lot of gunporn and upgrades to really emphasis her mercenary status. Have a bar where she can get missions from more morally gray sources. Then, when she gets a mission, you fly in on a short rail shooter section in your ship to your landing zone where it opens up to a more tactical setting.
You.themyrmidon said:
OUT.
Out I say, and never come back to these forums.
Saying that a Nintendo Console wouldn't be able to handle a game of their own franchise made today, opposing a game made over a decade ago on a console two generations back, and then saying that it should be on the PC... And you're using this to describe a Metroid game...
Out.
Get out, take your ball, and go home. Go play TF2, go play Modded Half-Life, just get out.
OT: What do you mean if OP? THEY are making a new One, Retro said as such, Nintendo's confirming it, and after freakin' Other M this is needed. Now if only they could get started on another F-Zero, that'd be just great...or a New Wario, maybe another Wario Land? The new Kirby game is what I'm waiting for currently, and I'm chomping at the bit to get my filthy little paws on it.
^^^Plus +100 for not feeding the nostalgia.canadamus_prime said:
Seriously people go after LoZ for repeating its story formula but Metroid is even worse for it. How many times does Samus have to crash land somewhere and lose all of her powers and get them back before people get bored.
Metroid Prime was good but I don't want to see a 4,5,6 of the franchise.
How so? I'm not disagreeing with you out of hand, but I'm curious why you think this. In my opinion, a first person view made the world more immersive, and gave a greater sense of exploration, because you got to see what Samus saw.Aiddon said:
OT: An hd rerelease of metroid prime trilogy on the pc. Yes, I know it's never going to happen, but a man can dream right?
Well at the start of Fusion, Samus is made part metroid. So I guess that's a way they could justify using the name.Neronium said:
Uh, yeah, you can see what Samus sees in 3rd person anyway. Because it's right in front of you. On the screen. Along with Samus herself. The gigantic flaw that 1st person has when compared to 3rd person is simple: you can only see in front of you. Thus your field of vision is limited along with your knowledge of anything else.Theminimanx said:
True, that could work. Wouldn't help with those people who actually think that Samus' name is Metroid though. XDGenocidicles said:
There are still some who think that Samus' name is Metroid, as well as some who think that Link's name is Zelda...
Edit: Just gotta post this here.
I loved prime, so more of that would be fine to me, however a more action based 3rd person game would be great too. Hell, I didn't really hate the gameplay of Other M, I just couldn't stand the plot and justifications for stuff in the game. I like the idea of Platinum making a Metroid game; take the fast-pased action of Bayonetta, but focus it around Metroidvania gameplay mechanics... (finding more and more weapons and tools over time that you always have access to and exploring areas and whatnot) Like maybe instead of having to choose what weapons you have equipped for each fight, you'd just always be able to switch between any weapon you have through the touch screen or something. Basic attacks being the charge beam and Missiles, with a tertiary attack for whatever you have equipped. First person mode using gamepad to scan stuff or use the X-ray visor or whatever. Maybe one of the weapons is a good sniper rifle and you can go first person for that too.
No you don't, you get to see what a camera floating behind Samus sees. In first person, you wouldn't see something sneaking up on you until it's already attacked, or you'd have to rely on sound. In third person, you can see it coming from a mile away. For a game heavily built around atmosphere, a feeling of isolation and the ocasional horror, that difference is important.Aiddon said:
As much as I love Metroid, making sequels suffers from a state I call original flavour works best. The pattern that NES Metroid, SNES Super Metroid, and Gamecube Metroid Prime all followed: start on bird people planet with the pea shooter, proceed through various themed zones finding power ups on the way. While Metroid Prime actually did this it gets a little contrived if you make her somehow lose her powers at the start of each game through some excuse to put Samus in the 'proper' starting state.
Honestly, I think it would've been best if they could have retconned the story so that her special bird people suit had various powers depending on where she was. So it would operate differently in space than it would on the surface of a planet, but of course the bird people left relics all over the place for you to find. Or something like that, just so that you don't need to find the morph ball for the umpteenth time because you got beat up at the start again.
Honestly, I think it would've been best if they could have retconned the story so that her special bird people suit had various powers depending on where she was. So it would operate differently in space than it would on the surface of a planet, but of course the bird people left relics all over the place for you to find. Or something like that, just so that you don't need to find the morph ball for the umpteenth time because you got beat up at the start again.
I'd buy another 3D Hunters style game. We could see Metroid becoming just a series about following her as a bounty hunter in the service of the federation, going and exploring the ruins of civilizations. Or maybe she discovers a plot to destroy the Federation from the inside. Or maybe she herself gets hunted down after being shot down by vengeful space pirates.Neronium said:
There is potential beyond just Metroids.
[sub][sub]I don't remember hearing about the Prime series being retconned.[/sub][/sub]
And so long as Other M is still considered canon, there will always be a paradox within the lore of Metroid. Considering that Sakamoto said that he considers both Fusion and Other M canon, I'd like him to explain this one fact:Neronium said:
Fusion is the last Metroid story in the series chronologically. However, in Fusion, Samus states that this was her second time being under military command; the only other time was before she became a bounty hunter. Then Other M is made, making Fusion the third time she was under military command. Also, considering how highly she views Adam, the one military CO she thought was worth a damn, you would think he would be portrayed as a rather strict, but fair, person in Other M. Then Adam goes and shoots her in the back in that one scene. So many things don't make sense when Other M is introduced into the picture.
For me, until Other M isn't declared non-canon, the Metroid series is dead to me. And it ended with Fusion and not Other M.
True, they can do a lot more with the universe itself, but the thing is will they actually do it. I mean the games in general have just mainly been about the Metroids and Space Pirates. Not much more is known about the universe other than that, so doing an expanded universe sorta thing might not work as well as say the Halo series which has expanded it's universe in the games prior and has left a lot possible. Really though I just think it's more that I'm not confident in Sakamoto's writing really, because Other M left many inconsistencies as CrazyCapnMorgan put in his post, and the inconsistencies add up over time.Redlin5 said:I'd buy another 3D Hunters style game. We could see Metroid becoming just a series about following her as a bounty hunter in the service of the federation, going and exploring the ruins of civilizations. Or maybe she discovers a plot to destroy the Federation from the inside. Or maybe she herself gets hunted down after being shot down by vengeful space pirates.
There is potential beyond just Metroids.
[sub][sub]I don't remember hearing about the Prime series being retconned.[/sub][/sub]
As for Prime being retconed, it's more because Sakamoto gives so many conflicting things in the interviews that he did about Other M that caused it, and since he's the creator of Metroid he technically has say in what is and isn't considered canon and not canon.
Here's one interview
Here's another.