If they develop superior prosthetics, would you amputate your biological limbs?

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Jake Martinez

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OverweightWhale said:
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Hell the fuck yes... but they would have to be on the level of Ghost In The Shell prosthetic limbs...<.<
The first thing I thought about when I starting reading the post was Ghost In The Shell.

OT: I'd probably replace my legs, but probably nothing beyond that.
I honestly think it's going to happen some day. The way I see it - either we'll get mechanical prosthetics that are super awesome, or we'll have the ability to genetically engineer entire limb replacements.

It'll be a race to see which science gets there first, mechanical engineering or genetic engineering.
 

Kitteh

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depends: how much is it, and even though my coupon's expired will you still take it?
 

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Dominic Burchnall said:
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There are other factors that come into play, like how the limbs are powered, how long they last, how expensive they are, and how prone they are to breaking due to, say, water damage.
Another problem is, as the rest of your body degraded through age, would your upgraded bionics be too much for your body to bear? Say you got upraded arms and legs, would your torso still be able to support the extra wieght and necessary mechanical implants to keep them in place? Also what about if you became senile? It's difficult enough to restrain a flailing pensioner when the main concern is not accidently hurting them, but what if the main concern was that they could knock you through a wall whilst doing so? Or quite literally forgot your own strengh, and broke your own jaw trying to swat a fly away?
You could say the same thing about someone going senile who still drives. Probably more dangerous honestly in that regard.

We already deal with these issues daily right now actually, so I think the solution would be the same - take them away. If you take the car keys away from gramps because he has alzheimers, then you could probably take the bionics away too... or even better, maybe just install a "limiter" on them like they do on cars... (why not??)
 

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It depends, would the company who made them secretly be plotting to use me as an remote controlled monster to take over the world? If they were, the answer would be no, if they weren't, I would slowly piece together a body that would make me live forever.
 

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For me the only concerns are recovery time and maintenance costs. After all, if I have to spend months in a hospital with excruciating pain, then thanks but no thanks. If it's relatively painless and my body can adapt quickly, then I'm all for an upgrade.

The other problem is, who else is getting these modifications? If I'm part of a select group then it's a matter of self-improvement, or just making myself badass. If everyone can choose to have prosthetics though, then I'd get them simply to survive and adapt. After all, I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of your rocket punch without six inches of steel chestplate, would I?
 

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Not for me, I think limb replacements are only for when your own limbs are badly damaged already. It's the internal cybernetic enhancements I'm looking forward to - medical nanites, mind/computer interfaces, builtin comms, image enhancement, etc.
 

Jake Martinez

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I'll try to hotlink this - Aimee Mullins, bilateral amputee, fashion model, runner.

Try to find some videos of her running on those spring things. She freaking tears.

Here's a video of her doing a TED talk too about how she feels her prosthetics give her "super powers".

http://www.ted.com/talks/view/lang/eng//id/482

It's a compelling argument.
 

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Jake Martinez said:
Dominic Burchnall said:
ultrachicken said:
There are other factors that come into play, like how the limbs are powered, how long they last, how expensive they are, and how prone they are to breaking due to, say, water damage.
Another problem is, as the rest of your body degraded through age, would your upgraded bionics be too much for your body to bear? Say you got upraded arms and legs, would your torso still be able to support the extra wieght and necessary mechanical implants to keep them in place? Also what about if you became senile? It's difficult enough to restrain a flailing pensioner when the main concern is not accidently hurting them, but what if the main concern was that they could knock you through a wall whilst doing so? Or quite literally forgot your own strengh, and broke your own jaw trying to swat a fly away?
You could say the same thing about someone going senile who still drives. Probably more dangerous honestly in that regard.

We already deal with these issues daily right now actually, so I think the solution would be the same - take them away. If you take the car keys away from gramps because he has alzheimers, then you could probably take the bionics away too... or even better, maybe just install a "limiter" on them like they do on cars... (why not??)
You said in your original post that you would want bionic limbs because they would retain strength and performance over the years. Wouldn't a limiter rather nullify this? Of the two options you suggested, simply taking a persons limbs away carries huge ethical questions, and if you went for the better option of a limiter, how would it be implemented? Who would control it? A family member or a carer, who would see you on a regular basis and allow you a manageable amonut of power for your condition that day? Or would you need to specifically visit a bionic specialist for a "re-tune", preventing possible abuse issues but leaving you weak on the better days?
 

Odbarc

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Organs, if that's an option. I don't want those things failing on me when I need them most at age 92.
 

FalloutJack

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Uhh, NO, I wouldn't amputate a goddamn thing. I would transfer over to full-prosthesis under the care of proper physicians.
 

VonBrewskie

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Ever since Jurassic Park, I have dreamed of the day science would remove my legs, and replace them with robotic raptor legs.
 

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Dominic Burchnall said:
Jake Martinez said:
Dominic Burchnall said:
ultrachicken said:
There are other factors that come into play, like how the limbs are powered, how long they last, how expensive they are, and how prone they are to breaking due to, say, water damage.
Another problem is, as the rest of your body degraded through age, would your upgraded bionics be too much for your body to bear? Say you got upraded arms and legs, would your torso still be able to support the extra wieght and necessary mechanical implants to keep them in place? Also what about if you became senile? It's difficult enough to restrain a flailing pensioner when the main concern is not accidently hurting them, but what if the main concern was that they could knock you through a wall whilst doing so? Or quite literally forgot your own strengh, and broke your own jaw trying to swat a fly away?
You could say the same thing about someone going senile who still drives. Probably more dangerous honestly in that regard.

We already deal with these issues daily right now actually, so I think the solution would be the same - take them away. If you take the car keys away from gramps because he has alzheimers, then you could probably take the bionics away too... or even better, maybe just install a "limiter" on them like they do on cars... (why not??)
You said in your original post that you would want bionic limbs because they would retain strength and performance over the years. Wouldn't a limiter rather nullify this? Of the two options you suggested, simply taking a persons limbs away carries huge ethical questions, and if you went for the better option of a limiter, how would it be implemented? Who would control it? A family member or a carer, who would see you on a regular basis and allow you a manageable amonut of power for your condition that day? Or would you need to specifically visit a bionic specialist for a "re-tune", preventing possible abuse issues but leaving you weak on the better days?
I'd say the obvious answer to all these questions is that we don't have the ethical solutions for a situation that hasn't presented itself yet. Realistically it wasn't until recently when people could start cloning animals/other people and we still don't have a great consensus on what is considered ethical behavior (and often even things that are widely frowned upon still happen anyway, so consensus doesn't really mean much does it?)

Really, all we're talking about is a framework of governance around the possibility of having superior physical attributes. Right now, we don't have any governance around this at all with the exception of illegal steroids - but even that gets flouted regularly by people who can afford it (Wasn't Sylvester Stalone arrested with a suitcase full of human growth hormone on an overseas trip? Legally prescribed I believe... but the prescription of obviously dubious merit).

Anyway, it's easy enough to play the what-if game, but ultimately let's say everything is made illegal - some people will still do it. I suppose you can decide for yourself if you'd be one of those people or not.
 

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well I wouldn't go hacking my own arms and legs off for that specifically, but if they were advanced enough and I needed it, I'd go for it.
 

Wintermoot

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yes full-body like GITS I wouldn't have to worry about getting sick or injured.
also I can get some better fingers instead of the sausage fingers I have now.
 

Harry Mason

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If I could have my ear replaced with an MP3 player, then HELL YEAH!

Otherwise, I'll keep my squishy bits, thankee.
 

Sectan

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If I had to choose between a risky procedure to avoid amputation or the prosthetic, I'd choose the prosthetic. Wouldn't just go around trying to find ways to lose limbs.
 

otakon17

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Not limbs, no. Too many cons and complications. Perfectly working artificial organs I second(or third at this point) that work at 120% capacity would be nice.
 

Navvan

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I wouldn't go randomly hack of my limbs by myself. Assuming it is a optional surgery (similar to cosmetic surgery is now) and I had the money to spare then I would assuming they are capable of everything my current limbs are and better at doing so.

Dominic Burchnall said:
If you are worried about the strain on the body due to the weight of the arm, then assume the arm is lighter or of comparable weight to the normal human limbs

If you are worried about the strain it would put when using the arm, then assume the arm is optimally designed so 99% of the the force is put on the arm itself.

As far as senile goes have them deactivated through a medical procedure approved by their guardian. If you are deemed a high risk to yourself and others the limb can be replaced with those no different than a normal humans in terms of capability. As far as "forgetting own strength" it would be like forgetting your own strength now. Rarely do you see someone full on bitchslap themselves trying to get a fly no matter the age unless mentally unstable (see deactivation above).

Also future technology is magic.