If you had proof that God didn't exsist, would you show the world?

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Lios

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I'd just carry it around in my pocket or wallet, and if an annoying preachy christian came up to me and started bugging the crap out of me for passing by the church on a sunday morning, I would without hesitation bring it out, and slap it in his/her face.



But if you were to show the world, there's a huge likelyhood that people are not going to believe it, even if the evidence it completely undeniable. Much like 9/11. Even though the government was able to provide undeniable evidence that they didn't have shit to do with it, people pressed on. (Please note if you're quoting me, don't bring that topic up, as the thread is not about it, and I'd rather avoid conspiracy theory arguments)
 

Shantari Extanu

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I wouldnt because while god may be a certain seven shades of bullshit the amount of people that follow the lessons of god are better because of it, even if he is not necessarily real.
 

confernal

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It has already been proved that you cannot prove god because such a force we as species could not understand. It would be like explaining all of human history and science to a cockroach... It simply lacks the necessary capicity to understand such a thing. It would be like trying to imagine a new color. You just can't do it. It is simply not possible for us to do. Also what would any possible benfit would it do to show such proof? Yes religion has caused alot of suffering but as the movie the mist shows us that logical thinking is fractured unless somebody is aware of all factors.
 

Seekster

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Wait a second, I thought we had already established that is impossible to prove or disprove the existence of God through empirical methods?
 

Samoftherocks

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If we assumed that the proof was irrefutable to a point where anyone who saw it instantly knew that I was telling the truth, I still don't think I'd be able to tell the people. What you're asking is if we had it in us to look into the faces of those who did good works in the name of God and tell them that the source of their inspiration and compassion was false, and that their having done it in Gods name was effectively wasted.

There would be those who have effected the lives of many mortals and could probably justify there work that way, but imagine if you will someone having dealt with their addictions by giving their lives over to the love of Jesus (cliche, I know, still apt). After hitting rock bottom, the only thing that got them out of their spiral was the belief in an as yet unproven source of power. Do you want to tell that person that their strength was a lie?

Yes, there are plenty of assholes whose bubbles I'd like to burst, but then you'd ruin far more than just they who deserve to be taken down several pegs.

Truthfully, I'd try to start a new Christian religion that seperates itself from all of the conquering that it continues to do (the Pope in Africa anyone?). Start teaching that God's a scientist and only wants for us to figure out what he already knows. Leave the doctrine so wide open for interpretation that no one source could claim power from its believers. Except me...but that would only be for tax reasons...heh.
 

Flying-Emu

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Meanmoose said:
Been reading the last Templar? think that was the name of the book. There someone had proof, but decided againts showing it to the world for fear of ruining lives.
That was a damn good book. I liked all the Biblical references it made, especially the original Four Horsemen.

Did you hear that they made it into a really shitty Lifetime movie? God, they turned it into a ROMANCE flick. I cried a little inside.

Anyway, I would most definitely not reveal it. It would have no effect on people, it would make the militant atheists even more convinced that they were right (if that's even possible). Nothing would come of it. The believers would still believe.

I think in Revelations there's a phrase about he who brings proof against God's existence being the worldly incarnation of the Devil. Or something like that.
 
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If you had proof, I still think people would doubt it. Some people just hate being wrong, so I guess I would just have the satisfaction of being right, and would try that much harder to convert people because I knew they were going to hell if I didn't.
 

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cuddly_tomato said:
Simple words, a simple act, but one that can make all the difference. If only other people were as enlightened as you dragonspirit.
Well I wouldn't go as far as calling me enlightened. I just like to keep an open mind and respect the opinion of another human being.

cuddly_tomato said:
Right now, I don't have cancer nor does anyone else I know. Therefore, cancer treatment is meaningless to me. That doesn't mean I object to my taxes going towards treating other people who do have cancer, simply because I have accepted that I am not at the centre of the universe and that things which don't mean a lot to me are still important to others.
My mother died of cancer, the mother of my girlfriend has cancer and I am sure, many many people would like the way you look at this. I salute you!
 

Vigormortis

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Caimekaze said:
Vigormortis said:
First of all, what is happiness? Why, unless I'm mistaken, it's a state of mind triggered by chemical reactions. Regardless of what triggers those chemicals, it still has the same end result. Your argument is flawed. As to your other point, you are at least partially correct. However, religion isn't an outlet for faith. People do not need religion to express their faith. Religion drives the idea of faith in a particular belief system into it's followers minds. I'll ask you this, while we're on the topic of postulation (as you've brought up). If your parents, grandparents, guardians, friends, or whoever else raised you had never, ever once mentioned ANYTHING about faith, religion, God, or any such thing, would you even contemplate the idea of putting your "faith" into something like a religion? Let's face it. You wouldn't. You probably wouldn't even have had the idea there was any kind of deity. Likewise, while it is true many people have taken things "too far", as you put it, the problem is, religion throughout history has given power to those that do take it too far. It also gave them excuses to perform horrible atrocities. I never stated that religion was the sole cause of all of histories worst nightmares, but it was a major player in most of them.
I'm sorry, was this still going?
Alright, I'll put it this way: The happiness you get from crack is synthetic, and damages your ability to control the happy-hormones yourself. Religion doesn't.
Religion is an outlet for faith. That does not mean people need religion to express their faith, but it is a way they can.
As for your argument about whether or not I would have "put my faith into something like a religion" if the idea had never been brought up... I will have to say yes. It's human nature.
I, personally, am not religious. I have this quasi-religious view that everything will work itself out (and so far, it has) but I align myself with no deity. Except plausibly the mouse in the purple tailcoat and top hat I contemplated when I was little, but that's irrelevant.

Religion has given people an excuse to take things too far over the course of history, but that's just because it was an easy excuse. Even without religion, most of these atrocities would have occurred, because they had a different driving force behind them, be it conquest, greed or just plain violence.

As it has been an easy excuse to justify actions, it has also become an easy outlet for blame. I honestly don't see why you are so hostile towards it, but I'm guessing it has had some form of negative impact on your life.
Not just my life, but the vast majority of the world. I'm not really hostile towards it. I'm more apathetic in fact, but I just feel that there are some glaring problems and "evils" that arise from religion that most people either ignore or flat-out deny. That I can't stand. If you really believe in something, then own up to it's problems. Don't deny them. Admit them. It's the only way to fix them.
 

Caimekaze

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Vigormortis said:
Not just my life, but the vast majority of the world. I'm not really hostile towards it. I'm more apathetic in fact, but I just feel that there are some glaring problems and "evils" that arise from religion that most people either ignore or flat-out deny. That I can't stand. If you really believe in something, then own up to it's problems. Don't deny them. Admit them. It's the only way to fix them.
I see. The problem was, your posts seemed overtly hostile towards the concept of religion, which bugged me.
Again, I don't believe in anything, so I don't see what I should admit to / try to fix.
 

Vigormortis

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Caimekaze said:
I see. The problem was, your posts seemed overtly hostile towards the concept of religion, which bugged me.
Again, I don't believe in anything, so I don't see what I should admit to / try to fix.
If it seemed that way, it was unintentional. I wasn't singling you out. I was merely stating that there are many things wrong with most religions, but those that follow those faiths see fit to ignore those things. This has led to more problems down the line. (most of which are the very things I find disturbing about religion)
 
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deathsong17 said:
ClaptonKnophlerHendrix said:
deathsong17 said:
If I had undeniable truth I would show it to world PURLEY because they tried to force me into Cristianity through constant propoganda in Primary school.
Thats a fucking stupid reason.
Really? Because I think it would serve the bastards right for punishing me for not praying to a God I didn't beleive in.

Oh, and why is it a "fucking stupid reason"?
Its a stupid reason because either you or your parents chose to go to the school and odds are you were being a smart ass little punk when you said you had different beliefs.
 

Deathsong17

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ClaptonKnophlerHendrix said:
deathsong17 said:
ClaptonKnophlerHendrix said:
deathsong17 said:
If I had undeniable truth I would show it to world PURLEY because they tried to force me into Cristianity through constant propoganda in Primary school.
Thats a fucking stupid reason.
Really? Because I think it would serve the bastards right for punishing me for not praying to a God I didn't beleive in.

Oh, and why is it a "fucking stupid reason"?
Its a stupid reason because either you or your parents chose to go to the school and odds are you were being a smart ass little punk when you said you had different beliefs.
Actually it was an average Welsh medium school. Welsh language = religion? No. And I have no beleifs.