This isn't just a Fox news problem, or even a recent problem. Persecution on the basis of religion has been around as long as religion itself. Also Agnostic is the only entirely logical outcome from the god question. Both atheism and religions are based on a leap of faith.Blatherscythe said:
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I know that, still I didn't think of it as funny because it's sarcastic or anything , I found it funny because I found it ironic or to be more precise in the meaning "Who in they're right mind would watch that", just clearing that up even tho most people who actually bothered reading that post know the reasonImp Emissary said:Feinei said:Let me just take that....*Takes smile off your face*
In reality Fox News is one of the most viewed programs in America.
Ugh... I just HAD to click that link, didn't I?
I'll now feel like shit for the rest of the week, and I totally knew that was coming. <.<
I'll now feel like shit for the rest of the week, and I totally knew that was coming. <.<
chiMmy said:Imp Emissary said:That took bit to delete. What were we talking about? Oh yeah, atheism as a religion.
To put it simply although atheism as a life style choice is one that denounces all other religion and the existence of God, it is still a believe system. Only instead of foolishly trying to describe God (a being most often said to be able to do anything) as some stagnant form be it, he, she, it, or they atheism dismisses God as none-existent. Which is fine. As I stated you don't have to believe in God anyway. Atheism may not believe in God, but that doesn't make it not a religion. All that religion is is; a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe. The Atheist believe concerning the cause of everything is that nothing caused it.
Personally, I too believe that God is nothing. I don't mean that I think God doesn't exist, but rather that God is nothing.
Indeed friend. Very cheery.Feinei said:I know that, still I didn't think of it as funny because it's sarcastic or anything , I found it funny because I found it ironic or to be more precise in the meaning "Who in they're right mind would watch that", just clearing that up even tho most people who actually bothered reading that post know the reasonImp Emissary said:Feinei said:
In reality Fox News is one of the most viewed programs in America.
Ah, the triviality of life. So sweet.
chiMmy said:So, I have no choice of being in a religion?Imp Emissary said:(Also, remember that atheism IS a form of religion. Please don't shove in peoples faces.)
Atheism is not a religion, it's the absence of religion and belief in god(s).
I know what you mean, but it's a weird kind of grey area, probably mostly due to semantics. Atheism is the belief that there is no God (or any other "higher power"). So it is a belief. Agnostics probably actually have a better claim on "no belief"... as they're not sure what to believe.
Religion is: (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion)
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2.a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
So I suppose it would be possible for the belief in no God to be considered a religion... but given that very few atheists do the whole "devotional and ritual observances" part of things... I'm not sure most people (including me) would think of it that way.
Having said that it sounds like the people involved in this case (not the crazy facebook people) but http://www.atheists.org/ ARE a religion in that they have organized in order to spread their beliefs, partake in events celebrating their beliefs, and apparently even have a gift shop on their site selling things promoting their organization/beliefs.
Believe me, I am in no way against them doing so, more power to them, but the fact that they're doing most of those things places them in the same category as most religious organizations. And my guess is that unfortunately we'll find that they have some people in their organization almost as stupid as these Christians posting on facebook. Cause, you know, some people just be dumb.
According to what I've read, stupid people think they're smarter then others, while smart people think others are smarter. Then there are some obvious cases where people have dumb shit for brains.jwwzeke said:
Shall we conclude that people are retarded? Anyhow I'm smart in the way that I'm staying out of it.
(Edit: Above sentences are directed at the people shouting "Retard", "noob" and such similar things, aswell as those facebook posts.)
Oh yeah, forgot: It's often the most retarded people that gets heard, maybe that's why christianity is so huge? Just saying...
Maybe I should answer something aswell.
The fact that I'm an atheist doesn't change my life in anyway, my family is christian but we live totally the same way, just that they think a god may exist while I don't. So what was that about lifestyle, Imp Emissary?
jwwzeke said:Christ I hate using my console to write these! Always so much deleting to get space. Anyway....chiMmy said:So, I have no choice of being in a religion?Imp Emissary said:(Also, remember that atheism IS a form of religion. Please don't shove in peoples faces.)
Atheism is not a religion, it's the absence of religion and belief in god(s).
"Cause, you know, some people just be dumb."
Very true friend. Very true.
Also, nothing is black and white. It's all shades of grey, and depending on how you look at it (your perception) you will see it either darker or lighter.
Ah, life.
Nah, it's Antitheists like me who'd want it removed. Atheists just want more faiths included because overt religious unbalance in public gestures make them uncomfortable. Including symbols from other religions makes the thing politically ambiguous whilst not inflaming the general religious populace.jwwzeke said:
Not this again. Where is this "Stalin was a militant atheist" idea coming from? Is it because he dissolved the church? Because I assure you that had nothing to do with atheism and everything to do with power over the masses.Tsaba said:
Also like to point out that while American Atheists Inc have their uses, as an antitheist opposed to all religious organisation or institution (Note: Not private personal belief) I can't condone their continued existence once our societies are better levelled out. They're too much like a church and while atheism isn't a religion, it is a philosophical position designed to occupy the place normally taken by religion, and so is subject to the same rules.
And i thought atheists were tolerant to other religions. that was sarcasm. (This being a response to the many hateful comments) Seriously can't we all just learn to live with eachother here and not find things to hate but rather things to love and enjoy together, like the reasons we all joined here in the first place.
"In other news, millions of people awoke to shock and awe to find that the sun had risen this morning."Blatherscythe said:
Sadly no for two reasons:Skullkid4187 said:
1) Some people will always be horrible for one reason or another whether it be because of their beliefs or just because they find it fun.
2) Because we have a psychological defense mechanism (presumably in place to keep us from slitting our wrists) that often causes us to find some level of amusement (however bizarre that amusement may be) in things that should horrify us.
I'm afraid that the thing about tolerance is the fact that it requires the intolerance of intolerance (if that makes any sense to you).Skullkid4187 said:
I'd add something about hypocrisy in christianity, but on the other hand, I guess it's hard to post your supper menu in facebook without somebody saying he will kill you.
LOL this is supposed to surprise and appall me?
"Oh no, Christians on the internet said violent and ignorant things, next thing you know there will be youtube comments that say horrribly homophobic things!!!"
Yeah, I have a feeling that out of all the people that posted comments like this, only a small fraction of them truly believe what they say, and are really just throwing a hissy-fit.
As for those who actual believe what they say, I say just ignore them like the bullies they are.
"Oh no, Christians on the internet said violent and ignorant things, next thing you know there will be youtube comments that say horrribly homophobic things!!!"
Yeah, I have a feeling that out of all the people that posted comments like this, only a small fraction of them truly believe what they say, and are really just throwing a hissy-fit.
As for those who actual believe what they say, I say just ignore them like the bullies they are.
I love the one that implies if you're not Christian then you're not truely American and deserve to die, you Commie pinko Muslim bastard!
Oh the religious right (wiping away tear of mirth).
Oh the religious right (wiping away tear of mirth).
You do realize she put out another video saying she was trolling, right?viranimus said:
And thank you for differentiating! They're just like the Westboro Baptist Church: thinking their "faith" puts them above the most basic rules of Christianity, such as love your neighbor and turn the other cheek. That they can be so openly hateful while still telling themselves they are on God's side, and legitimately believing it is beyond me. Jesus didn't teach us to be so unremittingly and unremorsefully hateful.Strazdas said: