Illegal downloading is not theft - its something new

[TsunamiWombat]

I's still theft. *doesn't bother to read the page since the people still arguing havn't*

 

[Signa]

Anyone who thinks that piracy is bad in every form is a retarded douchebag and deserves flogging.

Anyone who never buys things because they can just download them is a retarded douchebag and deserves flogging from the retarded douchebags who think that piracy is bad in every form.

It evens out.

 

[Logan Westbrook]

If we are going to have this debate, can we keep it civil please? Otherwise, we won't be having this debate.

 

[Merryjest]

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(How do you reconcile this obsession with artificial monopolies and your obligatory Objectivist devotion to free markets, anyway?)

-- Alex

The free market can have monopolies, there's nothing wrong with that. It's why it's called a free market, as opposed to a market where you are punished if you're too successful.
But let's play it your way: next time you come up with an invention or innovation, I get dibs on sharing the profit, m'kay?

 

[blood77]

So the whole problem is that unique work is being copied without the consent of the creator or creators? And then that reproduction or copy is then being distributed to other people who then do the same thing? Thus the major complaint every one has about it is that no one makes money off of it that way?

Well this seems a little odd considering how everything now is going out on the internet as free content. Why should I go and buy dvds of shows when a number of them have all the episodes listed free on there websites?

 

[Alex_P]

But let's play it your way: next time you come up with an invention or innovation, I get dibs on sharing the profit, m'kay?

You realize that happens automatically to any patent after 20 years, right?

I get paid to produce "intellectual property." What do you do all day?

-- Alex

 

[incal11]

I rarely download , most of what I have I either look for buying it , or I had it already (bought and lost when I was younger).
In fact I think I may download way less that some of the anti-download radicals here.

WARNING This is an hypotethical situation!
You probably won't get if you lack imagination (a sad thing for a gamer ), or just disagree Because :

-I'm in a isolated and ignored country ;
-there's a civil war and I might die tommorow, there's a game I want to play before that happens;
-the internet is heavily filtered (so no steam, but I can access some torrents using routers)
-anyway, if I somehow order it , chances it reach me are extremely slim or nonexistant.

Am I to die in misery because I can't get it legally?

What makes you so special that you deserve to break the rules merely because of your position? You are applying sentimentalism, and I'm sorry, it doesn't work. People die every day- fact of life- and most of them don't get what they want. I would actually call you an idiot, in this hypothetical situation, because you are wasting time playing on your computer instead of spending every waking hour of the day and night trying to devise an escape plan.

I'm adding
-I can't escape
-I have no loved ones to spend some time with (thei're dead)

because some people die without what they want everyday , I don't have the right to ease my own pain if I have the chance ?

You're a sad sad person...

 

[incal11]

I's still theft. *doesn't bother to read the page since the people still arguing havn't*

I read the pages , for one ;
so maybe you can read me.
Just being curious , I am not criticising you for your opinion (but maybe for being an obvious troll)
but I'd like to know your personal opinion about this:
Do you think theft really just is thef ; and there's no difference between downloading and violent mugging ?
What's you're moral stance about theft in general ?

(darn, my mistake , can a mod merge the two posts , thanks)

 

[perfectimo]

I rarely download , most of what I have I either look for buying it , or I had it already (bought and lost when I was younger).
In fact I think I may download way less that some of the anti-download radicals here.

WARNING This is an hypotethical situation!
You probably won't get if you lack imagination (a sad thing for a gamer ), or just disagree Because :

-I'm in a isolated and ignored country ;
-there's a civil war and I might die tommorow, there's a game I want to play before that happens;
-the internet is heavily filtered (so no steam, but I can access some torrents using routers)
-anyway, if I somehow order it , chances it reach me are extremely slim or nonexistant.

Am I to die in misery because I can't get it legally?

What makes you so special that you deserve to break the rules merely because of your position? You are applying sentimentalism, and I'm sorry, it doesn't work. People die every day- fact of life- and most of them don't get what they want. I would actually call you an idiot, in this hypothetical situation, because you are wasting time playing on your computer instead of spending every waking hour of the day and night trying to devise an escape plan.

I'm adding
-I can't escape
-I have no loved ones to spend some time with (thei're dead)

because some people die without what they want everyday , I don't have the right to ease my own pain if I have the chance ?

You're a sad sad person...

There should be no exceptions to the law.

 

[incal11]

I rarely download , most of what I have I either look for buying it , or I had it already (bought and lost when I was younger).
In fact I think I may download way less that some of the anti-download radicals here.

WARNING This is an hypotethical situation!
You probably won't get if you lack imagination (a sad thing for a gamer ), or just disagree Because :

-I'm in a isolated and ignored country ;
-there's a civil war and I might die tommorow, there's a game I want to play before that happens;
-the internet is heavily filtered (so no steam, but I can access some torrents using routers)
-anyway, if I somehow order it , chances it reach me are extremely slim or nonexistant.

Am I to die in misery because I can't get it legally?

What makes you so special that you deserve to break the rules merely because of your position? You are applying sentimentalism, and I'm sorry, it doesn't work. People die every day- fact of life- and most of them don't get what they want. I would actually call you an idiot, in this hypothetical situation, because you are wasting time playing on your computer instead of spending every waking hour of the day and night trying to devise an escape plan.

I'm adding
-I can't escape
-I have no loved ones to spend some time with (thei're dead)

because some people die without what they want everyday , I don't have the right to ease my own pain if I have the chance ?

You're a sad sad person...

There should be no exceptions to the law.

... and the law is always right.

 

[perfectimo]

There should be no exceptions to the law.

... and the law is always right.

Hmm... don't see anywhere in my 8 words where I said anything remotely like that. If you live in a society you have to live by it's rule otherwise leave.

 

[incal11]

You sir are a sad unimaginative sheep;
I am very happy not to be like you.

 

[perfectimo]

You sir are a sad unimaginative sheep;
I am very happy not to be like you.

You sir are an idiot. How was that a measure of my imagination? How was I being a sheep?

 

[Logan Westbrook]

I could have sworn I made a post about keeping this discussion civil...

If we are going to have this debate, can we keep it civil please? Otherwise, we won't be having this debate.

Oh look, there it is!

Last chance guys. If you can't discuss this without name-calling, then I'm going to have to shut this down.

 

[perfectimo]

I could have sworn I made a post about keeping this discussion civil...

If we are going to have this debate, can we keep it civil please? Otherwise, we won't be having this debate.

Oh look, there it is!

Last chance guys. If you can't discuss this without name-calling, then I'm going to have to shut this down.

I'll try but in my defence I was pointing out the hypocrisy in incal11's post.


Here's an interesting point. You can call it whatever you want and try to justify it however many ways you want but until it is legal to take somebody else's property without their permission then you are breaking the law.

 

[Logan Westbrook]

I'll try but in my defence I was pointing out the hypocrisy in incal11's post.

To quote a great philosopher:

"Do or do not, there is no try."

 

[perfectimo]

I'll try but in my defence I was pointing out the hypocrisy in incal11's post.

To quote a great philosopher:

"Do or do not, there is no try."

To quote another actor: "You're tearing me apart!"

I'm pretty sure this thread is effectively dead or it will be up again after this post but here's to the next piracy thread. *raises glass*

 

[Zeldadudes]

No. It's theft. Deal with it.

Best post in the whole thread in my opinion.

 

[Logan Westbrook]

No. It's theft. Deal with it.

Best post in the whole thread in my opinion.

It's certainly to the point, but I'm not sure that pinning down exactly what type of crime internet piracy is is a good use of our time. The bottom line is that it is illegal, and that isn't going to change any time soon.

Regardless of what you might think about piracy, it is indisputable that piracy is making developers and publishers behave in strange ways, whether it means not bringing games to PC, like Gears of War 2, or using it as an excuse to dump draconian DRM on us, like SecureROM.

The thing is, their concerns are not entirely without basis. The recently released puzzle title World of Goo has seen massive piracy rates, around 90% [http://www.joystiq.com/2008/11/13/world-of-goo-has-90-piracy-rate/] and Crytek [http://www.joystiq.com/2008/04/30/crytek-turns-back-on-pc-exclusivity-cites-piracy] and id [http://www.joystiq.com/2007/03/09/id-software-ceo-piracy-pushed-us-multiplatform] have both turned their back on PC exclusivity thanks to piracy. In essence, by continuing to pirate games, we're cutting our noses off to spite our faces. The more we do it, the more the EA's of the world will foist their crap on us and the more games will go into that multi-platform hodgepodge that the PC fares so poorly in.