Illegal downloading is not theft - its something new

[L.B. Jeffries]

He's just going to stuff words in your mouth you didn't say, straw man your argument with examples that have no relevance, and do whatever else it takes to assert his psychological need to not be wrong. Like I said above, the innate refusal to believe that they are doing anything wrong is what drives these people because it conflicts with their self-image. Whatever helps ya like yourself.

Before this debate is over our right to imagine unicorns and happy ponies is going to enter the mix.

Here, this is what's going on right now:

http://allpsych.com/psychology101/defenses.html

Spare yourself.

Sour grapes, Jeff. Sour grapes.

But my dear Rag, you keep forgetting I don't have to convince you of anything. I just have to convince everyone else that you don't know what you're talking about, you just make up crap whenever it doesn't suit you, and that you haven't even bothered to learn the basics of the very agenda you claim to support.

At least Cory Doctorow knows what the Hell he is talking about when he supports free information.

 

[perfectimo]

No. If you have a point of view that I can't immediately shoot down on its own merit I'd like to see it. It will be a welcome change of pace to a thread full of asinine people who want to call me a bunch of asinine names and then to back up their opinions provide ideas I've already shown aren't right.

Okay if your only reason to know it is to shoot me down then I'll tell you.

The point of me saying

Looks like you returned that book.

was to show that it is no longer in his possession. The comic leads me to think that what had been done is more like playing a demo in a store. You play it for how ever longer you want but at the end of the day you don't have it physically at home. When you download something it is sitting right there on your harddrive and is capable of full function.

Ok, yeah. I would have shot you down. The comic would still be portraying illegal distribution if this was anything but a library, and the library offers you the option of renewing a book until the day you die. It is their intention to provide you with a free copy of the book that is physically your own.

Anyway, thank you for not getting as "Ridge Racer" on this as other's have here. I don't know why I called it "Ridge Racer."

I've never heard the term "Ridge Racer" for anything other than referencing the game. Do you see now how when you download something you are stealing?

 

[TsunamiWombat]

It's theft. Wow, this topic is still going?

 

[Logan Keller]

It's theft. Wow, this topic is still going?

What a revelation. And yeah, it's impressive how this thing manages to go.

Edit: Instead of calling it theft it can be called "the illegal gaining of property that is very similar to theft but is in no way going to have the word theft in its name".

 

[SteveDave]

Symantics,you deny profit to a game developer, retailer, and publisher whenever you download a game. You are stealing and don't try to sugar coat it any other way.

And you're going to "steal" from me when you get my book from the library. The only difference is, I don't care.

I'm really tired of this. I really don't want to see anyone on this thread attack torrents, until they can explain to me how their ideas could not be used to attack libraries. Period.

Either we start tossing librarians in jail, or we stop attacking "pirates." Pick one.

Books are rented from the library because librarys are a paid service that is paid for by local governments. You are not paying for a game if you download it, you are breaking copyright laws. You are a thief and don't try to say your not. I hope you admit what you are and quit trying to hide behind symantics. It is very dispicable.

As has been pointed out before, the government pays for the books they distribute to people for free, in the same way torrent users pay for the games they distribute to people for free. If you're going to call me despicable, at least please first read what I've written. I find people who make me repeat myself truly despicable.

Do you pay taxes to torrent users? We pay taxes to our local governments so they could provide such services as public libraries. You are indeed a dispicable thief who is a bain on society. If you don't have the money to buy a game then get a job you bumb asshole.

 

[Nimbus]

I wish people would stop saying illegal=wrong. The law isn't infallible.

Sorry for double but just read this.

Not everything illegal is "wrong" but it is branded legally and socially wrong in most cases.

Legally wrong... isn't that, like, the definition of illegal?
And socially? Not here.

Yeah, after looking at my post I noticed what I had written and how stupid it was. It is seen as somewhat socially wrong around here, though downloading music is perfectly fine.

Yeah, around here we have a pretty lax attitude to breaking the law. Ireland rules!

 

[TsunamiWombat]

It's theft. Wow, this topic is still going?

What a revelation. And yeah, it's impressive how this thing manages to go.

Edit: Instead of calling it theft it can be called "the illegal gaining of property that is very similar to theft but is in no way going to have the word theft in its name".

I'll bend that far. Lets call it that.

 

[MistAlchemist]

its really funny when you can see how
peoples getting so lazy day by day.
is this the effect of the financial crisis?
how can it be a new way, when it is illegal?
come on guys' wake up.

 

[Logan Westbrook]

(trimmed away for length)

Aside from the fact that lending libraries and downloading torrents are only very superficially similar and in fact operate in very different ways, in the case of lending/renting, the creators of the works are entitled to fair payment for the rights to rent their works. (more info here [http://www.ipit-update.com/copy39.htm])

This isn't the case with torrents, as aside from the initial purchase, no one involved in the creation of the work is renumerated in any way.

It was an interesting comparison, but unfortunately, the facts don't bare it out.

 

[Alex_P]

its really funny when you can see how
peoples getting so lazy day by day.
is this the effect of the financial crisis?
how can it be a new way, when it is illegal?
come on guys' wake up.

Ahem, a bad poem...

i think your post unthoughtful
like too many you oversimplify
"not like stealing" doesn't mean "not wrong"
we have other legal concepts that fit better

what's up with the formatting?
e e cummings you are not
you give us stanzas but no poetry
does your heart so blandly sing?

(maybe lurk moar)

-- Alex

 

[L.B. Jeffries]

Sour grapes, Jeff. Sour grapes.

But my dear Rag, you keep forgetting I don't have to convince you of anything.

Oh! Oh, good! Because otherwise I just thought you were doing a terrible job at this.

Well, that pesky inability to ever admit that you're wrong makes it pretty difficult.

I just have to convince everyone else that you don't know what you're talking about, you just make up crap whenever it doesn't suit you, and that you haven't even bothered to learn the basics of the very agenda you claim to support.

And I'll leave that up to them. The great thing about that, though, is that my words are right there available for them to read. Anyone who does that it gong to find your attempt to convince them a hell of a lot less... honest.

They mostly seem to be picking up that you like to take people's comments out of context, use bizarre analogies like the library one that doesn't even work, and talk down to them like a pompous ass.

 

[Logan Keller]

It's theft. Wow, this topic is still going?

What a revelation. And yeah, it's impressive how this thing manages to go.

Edit: Instead of calling it theft it can be called "the illegal gaining of property that is very similar to theft but is in no way going to have the word theft in its name".

I'll bend that far. Lets call it that.

To the press. Then onward to the pub to celebrate the new term "the illegal gaining of property that is very similar to theft but is in no way going to have the word theft in its name" that we may end up shortening into a single word "theft".

 

[TsunamiWombat]

It's theft. Wow, this topic is still going?

What a revelation. And yeah, it's impressive how this thing manages to go.

Edit: Instead of calling it theft it can be called "the illegal gaining of property that is very similar to theft but is in no way going to have the word theft in its name".

I'll bend that far. Lets call it that.

To the press. Then onward to the pub to celebrate the new term "the illegal gaining of property that is very similar to theft but is in no way going to have the word theft in its name" that we may end up shortening into a single word "theft".

But thats prevents a circular argument that is contradictory to the coining of the new phrase, which in turn will require us to coin a new phrase which will take 9 pages and then we'll celebrate that, get drunk, call it theft and asdfgha oh god there's a blackhole in my computer

 

[Alex_P]

Damn! Maybe if I oversimplified things I could be patting myself on the back for posting the same one-liner 20 times, too.

Maybe next time...

-- Alex