I'm a vegan and I come in peace...

[Jack_Uzi]

Last time I checked, animals aren't intelligent. There's no reason why we shouldn't eat them.

And neither are you.... now... let me consume you!!!

 

[Ickorus]

Farming destroys the natural habitats of thousands of different species, if we all went vegan we'd need a LOT more farmland and we'd probably send those thousands of different species to extinction. Im not trying to say this is why im not vegan, I just enjoy the taste of meat, but it's something to think about.

There was a program all about the negative effects of farming I watched a couple of weeks back but I can't find it on youtube.

EDIT: I see someone else made a similar post to me, my point still stands though.

 

[Scarim Coral]

You should more of MobieBob past episode as he clearly like he eating meat (like when the so called Apocalypse suppose to happen he was at Mcdonald having a Big Mac in case it had happen) as long it is free range.

OT-While I get what you're saying but at the end of the day we "choose" wheather to eat meat or not. Implying that we "can" but it doesn't meat we "should" sound more like a state of freedom of right (well sort of).

 

[manic_depressive13]

So much deadshit stupidity in this thread. There usually is when it comes to these discussions. I console myself with the knowledge that humanity will probably end up devouring itself out of existence.

 

[Kahohess]

So much deadshit stupidity in this thread. There usually is when it comes to these discussions. I console myself with the knowledge that humanity will probably end up devouring itself out of existence.

Another bite of Soylent Green before you go ?

 

[AndyFromMonday]

You base moral consideration on intelligence? What about severely mentally handicapped humans, do they not deserve moral consideration? Murder is considered morally wrong because it causes physical pain to the victim, and more importantly it is theft of the victims sentience. This is relevant both to humans and other sentient species capable of feeling pain, it is ideal to avoid causing pain whenever possible. Causing vast amounts of suffering, simply because we enjoy the way meat tastes, is not morally justifiable when there are alternative diets available.

What moral consideration? Morality is a concept based on society. What's considered moral and amoral is what the majority considers evil and good. Morality isn't an objective concept. We don't need to justify anything "morally" because morality does not apply to animals.

You want to give rights to animals? Fine, but what do you do when they breach those rights?

 

[EternalFacepalm]

I like meat. I'm going to continue eating meat.
We do actually have the "liberty" to deprive a species of their freedom. We're carnivores, and we're on the top of the food chain, so we perfectly well can.

 

[HeatproofShAdOw]

We didn't get to the top of the food chain by hugging every animal we see, do we? I'm sorry, but even you, who is trying so hard to not look like a superior person is failing. The thing is, to live a completely vegan diet, you'd have to avoid a shit ton of stuff that you don't even think about, which is what doesn't make sense.

 

[vivster]

if there only wasn't that grey zone
because even the most ultra vegans don't care about some living things

i just can't take someone seriously who draws an arbitrary line that undermines his cause

So why do we think it's okay to deprive an entire species of their liberty and kill them for their flesh?

To sum it up: Just because we *can* eat anything, doesn't necessarily mean that we *should*.

so here is my question to you
where do you draw the line in killing or abusing animals?
what animals are ok to abuse and/or kill to make your life more comfortable?

animal testing for products you buy?
smashing bugs?
killing bacteria with chemicals?
you only respect "thinking" animals? animals with a spine?
and what about plants?
you are basically saying that an animal and a human are both worth equally... what about plants and animals?

i don't want to condemn... just curious here

 

[phantasmalWordsmith]

I'm somewhat nihilistic; I believe that the "higher purpose of life" is the pursuit of one's own happiness. And so, because I enjoy eating meat and it doesn't make me feel guilty, I continue to eat meat.

 

[MasochisticAvenger]

I think you are just another preachy vegan who thinks they have to impose their views on other people, and no amount of "I'm not trying to impose my views on anyone" is going to change that fact. Clearly you do believe yourself to be superior to meat-eaters as you decided to create an account here simply to pass judgement on people for how they choose to live.

Try to claim what you want, but the very fact you felt the need to make this thread signifies that you believe your opinion to be correct, and people who eat meat to be so wrong they need to be educated on just how wrong they are.

I really wish all vegans/vegetarians could just get off their high horse and realize they are just human like the rest of us (I apologize in advance for the one or two vegans/vegatarians out there who don't make a big deal out of the fact they are vegan/vegetarian). That's all you're doing here: you are making it a big deal you are a vegan. You are choosing to define yourself as a vegan, and quite frankly that is very sad.

 

[TheMatsjo]

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What do you think? I'm very curious to know.

You have just made the best veganism-related post I've ever seen. My respects for taking the time to outline your positions and question in a very coherent way. +1 to this.

It surprises me how many responses I'm reading of people who either did not read your post completely, or decided to disregard it in favor of saying whatever they like. Your OP did not leave a lot of room for that, but I guess people find a way.

I am currently a vegetarian, considering the exclusion of dairy but not at a point where I'm ready to let it go, in part due to a lack of understanding of the nutrition of dairy products. I agree with the stance you've outlined here.

One thing however; we are animals, but we have developed the capacity for conscious thought and can make active, moral decisions. I understand what you meant with the use of the word "animal", but it was probably a confusing choice for many readers.

Cheers.

 

[Aetherlblade]

A friend of mine has been a vegan for most of his life. He started eating meat again this year though. He has been climbing mountains for years and years now, however, he feels that he just can't keep up with people who eat meat. So i guess that is a good reason to eat it.

For me, I eat it because i like to eat it. However i mostly try to eat the animal friendly type of stuff and dont use fur. Then again i dont have a problem with leather and so forth. Dunno, i have thought a lot a about it, but i cant really find a reason not to eat meat.

Most of the animals we eat we also keep for other things. It's not like we would stop keeping life stock a lot of the time, simply because we need m for milk, leather, eggs and so on.

 

[meryatathagres]

I have a queston for you. How do you intend for us to get protein from a vegan diet?

Beans, nuts, etc.

Vegans don't drink milk, don't wear leather or wool, etc. Vegans basicly don't use any product made from or with animals.
Vegetarians otoh just don't eat meat.

 

[TheMatsjo]

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Jeez man, what's your beef (hah pun)? Veganism is made into a pretty big deal in most of my experience, especially by non-vegans, I can understand the desire to get some perspective on a set of open-minded forums like these at the Escapist.

 

[Ampersand]

Last time I checked, animals aren't intelligent. There's no reason why we shouldn't eat them.

Well that's relative. By that logic you'd be just as edible to me as they would be to you. I'm pretty sure it doesn't work that way ; ).

 

[TheMatsjo]

We're carnivores

You misspelled omnivores.

 

[TheMatsjo]

Farming destroys the natural habitats of thousands of different species, if we all went vegan we'd need a LOT more farmland and we'd probably send those thousands of different species to extinction.

Hahaha, you think the meat we eat doesn't require farmland to live on? It's extremely inefficient to farm for meat, as the animals waste a lot of energy and nutrients simply by living. Imagine cutting out all that farm land and converting it for human consumption. Talk about a space saver.

 

[MasochisticAvenger]

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Jeez man, what's your beef (hah pun)? Veganism is made into a pretty big deal in most of my experience, especially by non-vegans, I can understand the desire to get some perspective on a set of open-minded forums like these at the Escapist.

Honestly, it was the fact the original poster was trying so hard to convince us they weren't talking to us from a self-imposed moraly-superior position. Saying things like "you are just putting your appetite in front of an animals right to live" is not trying to get other people's perspectives on an issue; it is trying to make those people feel bad because they don't share your opinion.