I'm doing a speech on Saturday and guess what it is about!

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The Stonker

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It's about video games and it's about how they are art and should never be censored under any circumstances or changed for a specific country.
Why? Because it lets people who have no idea what a video game is control who we are and control what we want to do in our free time.
Also, if you want to change a game from violence to "none" for instance Street fighter but they would just hug each other to death, wouldn't that be like letting a toddler ruin an piece of art?
So escapists, wish me good luck and anything you want in my speech? (Yes I will reference you because I'm awesome).
But another question, what is your stance on censoring in general?
 

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I agree that peoples art should never be censored (be it horror, action, romantic comedy or an erotic movie/game), but these things should have their ratings and kids should be regulated by parents, if someone thinks their child can handle Dead Space then it is absolutely their decision and should not be regulated by a third party.

Especially when it comes to nudity, somehow looking at our natural bodies has become so demonized it is now more acceptable to watch torture and brutal murder then seeing someone naked.
"Ridiculous" doesn't even begin to describe it.
And the only reason why I wanted to see sex as a kid was because it is such a taboo, noone wanted to explain it to me as a child why this is so, it was simply forbidden, rather turn on Rambo and watch people explode...

But my dad did sit me down as a kid obsessing with guns and explained the full extent of what they are about and what they can do(guess his army time gave him some tough lessons), and that is something parents should not skip on... I mean howmany kids were just playing with dads guns until someone died, someone that young just needs to hear what reality is like vs. fiction.

So to sum it up, censorship never, regulation by parent where it's needed.
 

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Well, I can think of one kind of censorship that you should definitely consider, as it's unusually hard to argue against: The removal of any and all swastikas from WW2 games published in Germany, where any non-religious display of the symbol is actually illegal.

Other than that, I see no reason to tone down violence and such, as this kind of issue is better resolved by adjusting the age rating accordingly.

And of course, those ever-present problems with youngsters obtaining violent games despite these ratings, are best resolved by increasing public awareness of the ratings and why they are there. Say there is a TV commercial for the game itself - why not follow up with a minute-long video explaining why the ratings are important? Games are advertised in magazines and newspapers - why not devote an occasional page to a quick rundown of the ratings system?

Granted, this probably wouldn't help THAT much against stupid parents buying Splatterhouse for their 14-year-old kid, but it WOULD make it easier to explain to politicians and watchdog groups that 14-year-olds playing Splatterhouse is the fault of parents, rather than game developers!
 

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Kind of. I agree there should be no censorship or change from country to country (though can do without American box art). I also would say video games were a form of art. But only some of them. For example I don't think an excuse to see half naked girls in bikinis jump around on a beach (Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball for the Xbox) is art. Neither is sport games for example. However Dante's Inferno is even with nudity because the nudity is not restricted to women and its more creepy at points than an excuse for nudity for the lonely gamers who like breasts so the game will sell. The same with violence and horror. Doom 3 was excellent and creeped me out, Dead Space 2 got boring after the 500th dismemberment. However it is also down to preference, like any art piece, so if you say you find the horror in Dead Space 2 artistic no one can say otherwise. But there limits like sports games, in my opinion, because they are not created, only copied.
 

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Go you for going out and giving a speech on this topic even as heated as it can get. Though I do have to ask what are you doing it for but that really doesn't matter.

OT: I do not agree with censorship of the because that would be like taking taking blood off the walls of Rapture. It kills the suspense that's building from it and even ruins the environment some. As long as these things are done to a point where it's not just blood and gore for the sake of blood and gore or breasts for breasts then it can fall somewhere under art I think be it good art or bad art.
 

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i wish i could come see and applaud every word.

censorship is lame and shouldnt be used, thats what ratings are for, if its an 18 then its going to contain content thats for the ages 18 and above, just look at films and music, they can include lots of topics that are frowned upon in games such as rape and sex (murder doesnt seem to be a big problem anymore in games anyway) but because they are a 'respected' medium its OK, well games are practically films that you control, so why cant we have a storyline based on rape or a sex scene, as long as it helps immerse the player and make the story more believable then why not!
/rant over

good luck buddy
 

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MaxPowers666 said:
The Stonker said:
It's about video games and it's about how they are art and should never be censored under any circumstances or changed for a specific country.
That is absolutely rediculous. There are some things out there that simply are not appropriate to do or put into video games. Those rules/laws are in place because alot of people simply do not know what is appropriate. I wonder if you are also against video game ratings because those are a form a censorship that is needed.

Im not even gonna bother with the art part because I find that arguement rediculous.
I mean on how they choose to define "violence".
It's very often very loosely termed.
 

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Arguing that games are art and arguing that violence does or does not belong in gaming are two completely different and unrelated arguments. You'd do better to argue moral-choice systems that work well (like, say, deciding who to side with in Fallout: New Vegas, since every faction has its upsides and downsides. This is true not only for the main quest but for many sidequests, including something as simple as deciding whether to fight for the Goodsprings residents or the Powder Gangers at the very beginning of the game.)

Allowing the players to explore their own moral and ethical biases and beliefs through the mechanics of gameplay works better than the idea of Zangief giving a big In Soviet Russia Bear Hugs You cuddle to Chun Li.
 

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I think you're better off arguing about the censorship of video games as opposed of stuffing art into the mix. I find arguing about video games being art to be useless and stupid at the same time because people always say video games have to be art, no exceptions. It's a diversified medium that can be or cannot be art at the same time, and it does not make one better than the other. Censorship is more of an issue that plagues video games as a whole, especially for countries that suffer the stupidest and trivial censorship.
 

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SimuLord said:
Arguing that games are art and arguing that violence does or does not belong in gaming are two completely different and unrelated arguments.
This.

But who are you presenting to? If its a particularly tough crowd, you may be better off making a non-inflammatory speech that would nonetheless humanize video games. (Perhaps looking at instances where video games have had the greatest success in emotionally effecting their players)
 

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The Stonker said:
It's about video games and it's about how they are art and should never be censored under any circumstances or changed for a specific country.
Why? Because it lets people who have no idea what a video game is control who we are and control what we want to do in our free time.
Also, if you want to change a game from violence to "none" for instance Street fighter but they would just hug each other to death, wouldn't that be like letting a toddler ruin an piece of art?
So escapists, wish me good luck and anything you want in my speech? (Yes I will reference you because I'm awesome).
But another question, what is your stance on censoring in general?
Wall of text incoming. I'm going to try to help you here.

Your speech is in some trouble if that's your speech. Not all films are art. "Transformers II: Revenge of the Fallen" is not going to be remembered as a highpoint in our culture by historians for decades to come. Likewise not all games are art. Games can be art yes. That doesn't mean they all are. Some of them are just soul less cash grabs or utter dreck. That doesn't mean that backward claims of juvenility or comparisons to games that aren't art invalidate the entire spectrum. Just because "The Expendables" came out that doesn't mean there is no art in cinema. Just because people shoot pornography with cameras that doesn't mean photography cannot be art. But you can't defend every picture as art, just as you can't defend every game. Pick your battles wisely. Avoid blanket statements. If you say "games are art" flatly then remember that you're also defending "Rape-lay" the Japanese rape-adventure. Nor does violence constitute or make art. The violence angle is easily dismissible and it just makes you look like a petulant child because you don't understand why it's objected to. Avoid that. It's distasteful and only opens you to attack. Public speaking is like martial arts. Good Jutsu is well-rounded and minds defense.

When making a public statement it is useful to be able to make comparisons between your claim and standing precedent. If you can draw a parallel between your position and what people know to be the law, your position becomes stronger. Be logical. Exercise critical thinking. If you're going to ask questions ask better lead questions. If you flatly ask "Isn't taking the violence out of videogames like letting a toddler ruin an [sic] piece of art?" Your listener can simply go "no." or may ask "Why?"

I would cut out the violence angle. I would focus on the evolving narrative in games. Games like Alan Wake and Heavy Rain that are narrative driven and every bit as involving as cinema and television shows and that people play for their plots alone. I would focus on the emotional responses they can evoke from us. From Psychological fear, to Sadness to Hilarity and the shades of those. People consider music art, and it's sole purpose is to evoke emotion from us. I would focus on the complex social and philosophical examinations in a game like Bioshock. Dead Rising, for instance, examines our consumerism, our capitalism which is running amok and our entertainment which the game argues is dehumanizing us. Which is very ironic for that game. All the more wry that characters call people who would pay to see zombies dismembered "sickos" when you've purchased the game to do just that. I'd look at complex intrapersonal interactions found in this medium that no other art form can match, such as the moral decisions in Mass effect, Fable, Infamous or New Vegas that inform us about what kind of individual we are in a way that books strive to do but have trouble doing in so directly and personally a manner. And lastly, I'd examine the fact that artists make games. Writers, character designers, 3d modelers, animators, painters, actors, directors, musicians. We would consider the fruits of these people's labors to be art in any other form it seems except for when we coalesce them and put them into a game. Why the exception?

Lastly, nobody can teach you how to speak. I was an excellent public speaker. But I was lucky that I went to church a lot when I was young. I could hold my audience down with the authoritative tone I learned from watching catholic priests as a boy and then suddenly, lighten the mood with a joke. That mix can keep an audience gripped. Priests haven't refined that style over 2000 years for nothing. They are like Jedis of speaking. But it has to come from you whatever you do. A note on jokes. Jokes are good. Work them in if you're funny. If not just be straight forward and emote. Nothing is worse than some one giving a speech who looks like they're reading the phonebook. Also alliteration is good if you're going for an authoritative tone. You can use anything I gave you man. And GL.
 

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Ghengis John said:
A note on jokes. Jokes are good. Work them in if you're funny. If not just be straight forward and emote. Nothing is worse than some one giving a speech who looks like they're reading the phonebook. Also alliteration is good if you're going for an authoritative tone. You can use anything I gave you man. And GL.
I took a class in Effective Business Communication last semester, and one piece of advice my professor offered that stuck with me was "If you're funny, by all means use humor to engage your audience. But if you can't deliver a joke, all you're going to do is alienate people as they focus on how you're trying too hard to be funny."
 

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MaxPowers666 said:
The Stonker said:
It's about video games and it's about how they are art and should never be censored under any circumstances or changed for a specific country.
That is absolutely rediculous. There are some things out there that simply are not appropriate to do or put into video games. Those rules/laws are in place because alot of people simply do not know what is appropriate. I wonder if you are also against video game ratings because those are a form a censorship that is needed.

Im not even gonna bother with the art part because I find that arguement rediculous.
I'm not sure if you're a troll or just have no clue what you're talking about.

Ratings aren't censorship, because they don't actually restrict what a game can have in it, they just inform the buyer of what is in it.

Why should any government be allowed to restrict what is said by its populace? That's a slippery slope.

Video games are the culmination of drawing, painting, sound design, music composing and performing, 3D modeling, writing, and more. All of these things are considered art, yet a product which uses all of these practices is not considered art?

You might say that games like RapeLay aren't art, but I would argue it is simply poor art. Just because something is art doesn't mean it's good art. People never seem to make that connection.
 

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SimuLord said:
Ghengis John said:
A note on jokes. Jokes are good. Work them in if you're funny. If not just be straight forward and emote. Nothing is worse than some one giving a speech who looks like they're reading the phonebook. Also alliteration is good if you're going for an authoritative tone. You can use anything I gave you man. And GL.
I took a class in Effective Business Communication last semester, and one piece of advice my professor offered that stuck with me was "If you're funny, by all means use humor to engage your audience. But if you can't deliver a joke, all you're going to do is alienate people as they focus on how you're trying too hard to be funny."
Which is of course why I make the distinction to only use them if you're funny. I haven't taken a course but I do understand what works and what doesn't. And watching an unfunny person try to be funny is torture. Viagra jokes for instance are the surest sign of the weak. Anyhow. You feel bad for them and you're kind of creeped out. I did not mean to tell your joke in a straight forward fashion. I meant don't use them at all if you're not funny. While possibly funny in it's own right, I don't think a poorly delivered joke told in a business like fashion would be funny in the way you need it to be. And therefore, none too effective.
 

SimuLord

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Ghengis John said:
SimuLord said:
Ghengis John said:
A note on jokes. Jokes are good. Work them in if you're funny. If not just be straight forward and emote. Nothing is worse than some one giving a speech who looks like they're reading the phonebook. Also alliteration is good if you're going for an authoritative tone. You can use anything I gave you man. And GL.
I took a class in Effective Business Communication last semester, and one piece of advice my professor offered that stuck with me was "If you're funny, by all means use humor to engage your audience. But if you can't deliver a joke, all you're going to do is alienate people as they focus on how you're trying too hard to be funny."
Which is of course why I make the distinction to only use them if you're funny. I haven't taken a course but I do understand what works and what doesn't. And watching an unfunny person try to be funny is torture. Viagra jokes for instance are the surest sign of the weak. Anyhow. You feel bad for them and you're kind of creeped out. I did not mean to tell your joke in a straight forward fashion. I meant don't use them at all if you're not funny. While possibly funny in it's own right, I don't think a poorly delivered joke told in a business like fashion would be funny in the way you need it to be. And therefore, none too effective.
There's an art and a science to doing jokes for business people that basically starts from the idea that "these people are functionally retarded, so any joke that isn't immediately and obviously a joke will fall on deaf ears."

The best way to use humor in a business presentation is to make it a challenge of making it funny and amusing for yourself (not least of which reasons being so you won't be as bored as your audience) and having a distinctly irreverent streak. Stephen Colbert, Norm MacDonald, and Groucho Marx make excellent inspiration for that sort of act.
 

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Well there are two ways a game should be censored.

Pro Hitler
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Gross Rape for shock factor (or child porn)


Video Games are art, but some things just shouldn't be considered art. Like gay people having sex?

Is that really art........ -_- (I am not demeaning it, but come on)