I'm tired of the anti-feminist circlejerk here (and every where else on the internet)

[Megalodon]

In today's world you can go into any profession you want in a first-world country, and yet still more males do science and engineering. But that's a larger issue than what tends to annoy me.

Random quick thing, gender representation in science massively varies in different fields. For things like maths and physics, you are right. But in more biological fields, biology, biochemistry, genetics etc., it's pretty even or even having more women than men. Not saying the overall statement "more men do science" is wrong, but a genetics seminar and a physics seminar will odds on have a completely different gender balance.

Slightly more on topic, you talk much sense in the post I quoted.

 

[chikusho]

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It seems that every place I go on the internet, there's someone that says, "I'm tired of the anti-feminist circlejerk here and everywhere else on the internet". A lot of these people know nothing about the critique, and just attack anti-feminists that don't exist. They attack straw men. If you're under 50 and aren't conservative, you probably shouldn't believe that the woman-hating rape threateners are a significant portion of anti-feminists.

 

[Jenvas1306]

simple thing: steroetyping.
everyone on the internet has an opinion about everything and most of those opinions are less than qualified.
there are feminists who arent really for equality, who even have some men-hate going on. Those are only those who stand out the most and therefor make an impression the easiest, that is never a good base for made-up knowledge.

I dont support feminists, cause I dont believe there is much you can actually fight for and most just needs to change in the heads of people. Also, enough feminist groups wouldnt want me and opress people like me...

 

[IamQ]

We need a separate forum for gender topics, gun controll and video game politics.

 

[manic_depressive13]

That makes sense. People on a forum that consists of 90% men arguing that feminism doesn't need to exist.

 

[bastardofmelbourne]

I hardly think there's an anti-feminist circle-jerk on these forums. There are plenty of...I don't know, I guess you'd call them anti-anti-feminists because sometimes it's hard to call them feminists when they all hold such disparate views. Several have piled into this very thread!

In fact, I think if there is circle-jerking going on, it's twofold. The anti-anti-feminists jack each other off just as much as the anti-feminists. Neither one is particularly dominant.

The whole thing is pretty dumb anyway.

 

[Mortons4ck]

Well then, you'll be relieved to learn that there is plenty of feminist circle-jerking or circle-schlicking (CHECK YO' PRIVILEGE!) going on every where else on the internet.

 

[an annoyed writer]

simple thing: steroetyping.
everyone on the internet has an opinion about everything and most of those opinions are less than qualified.
there are feminists who arent really for equality, who even have some men-hate going on. Those are only those who stand out the most and therefor make an impression the easiest, that is never a good base for made-up knowledge.

I dont support feminists, cause I dont believe there is much you can actually fight for and most just needs to change in the heads of people. Also, enough feminist groups wouldnt want me and opress people like me...

Agreed and especially agreed on the last part. While I can agree with some of the founding principles of feminism, I could never bring myself to to identify as one because I generally don't want to be aiding someone in screwing myself and others like me over. Very counter-intuitive and masochistic.

 

[rob_simple]

You think I'd have a problem with a scantily clad Ryan Reynolds in my video games?

Oh internet, how little you know me.

 

[FavouriteDream]

The way I see it, unless you are educated on the topic and/or have a large pool of unbiased knowledge of feminism it is best to just shut up.

Every time a feminist debate comes up on the internet, you're guaranteed to see very little except straw men arguments. Normally it goes something like this:

Person A: I'm concerned about the way females are portrayed in video games.

Person B: Well if you think the gaming industry is sexist, why don't you just play the games that aren't sexist?

Person A: Well I never said the gaming industry is sexist, I just think some AAA titles appeal to traits in society that aren't desirable

Person B: Pfft. You never hear males complaining about games that have muscly male leads with chiseled jaws!

Person A: You hate women!

Person B: YOU HATE MEN!

 

[Calibanbutcher]

You think I'd have a problem with a scantily clad Ryan Reynolds in my video games?

Oh internet, how little you know me.

Personally, I prefer Ryan Gosling, but that's just me.

Also:
Hurray, got my first warning in this thread.
For stating that it might just be possible that the OP is a troll.
Which of course he/she is not. Not at all.
Shame on me for implying that.
Shame on me for even THINKING that someone whose first post consists of starting a topic with a very controversial topic might be trying to provoke a heated response from other forum users.

But my apologies if I hurt your feelings.
So here is a a response to your initial post.

It seems that every place I go on the internet, there's someone that says, "I believe in gender equality, but I don't like feminists." A lot of these people know nothing about feminism, and just attack feminists that don't exist. They attack straw men. If you're under 50 and aren't conservative, you probably shouldn't believe that the man-hating bra burners are a significant portion of feminists.
It's even worse in gaming. Gamers have given some of the weakest excuses for sexism in gaming. Few games have female protagonists, almost no games pass the bechdel test, and plenty of female characters are objectified, but whenever someone points this out, gamers get all defensive. How would you like to play a game with almost all female characters and the only male character looks like Ryan Reynolds and wears nothing but a thong and high helled boots?
Consider it this way;
A female gamer previously unknown outside of feminist circles launches a kickstarter for constructive criticism on a medium she enjoys. Plenty of commenters threaten to rape and kill her, and when she doesn't release the videos for a while, people make claims about her scamming people.
A male youtuber who frequently uploads MRA horseshit make utterly terrible comments to a rape victim on a "Men's Rights Subreddit." He later makes a video claiming he was bullied, and calls this a "minor trangression." As of now, he has 300,000 subscribers on youtube, and his videos get a large number of likes. Only feminists mentioned his misogynistic, hateful comments, and some people say he's not a terrible person, and describe his comments as "saying stupid things on the internet." But of course, there's no such thing as rape culture.
And something about all of the most powerful people in the world being men.
Despite all of this, feminism is not needed, and it is fact men that are being oppressed. BUT WAHT ABUOT TEH MENZ!????!?!??!?!

1. You talk about strawmen, yet you burn the hell out of this one.
2. Are women really into men wearing high-heels? Because if you want to sexually objectify Ryan Reynolds, wouldn't it make more sense to dress him so that he appeals to women?
3.I do believe that TAA got a lot of flak for his "minor transgression".
He lost a lot of subscribers over the subject, aka money, and generally didn't come out of this on top. And many people, such as yourself, still do hold it against him, indicating that it has not been forgotten.
4. And after that the post kind of deteriorates.

 

[General Twinkletoes]

I'm tired of people being tired.

DRINK SOME GODDAMN COFFEE OR GET SOME SLEEP

You'd think this was common knowledge but nooo, people are always tired. Well I got some news for you: being tired is WRONG! And morally abhorrent. I'm starting a new movement for the anti-tired culture, because we well-rested people need not be oppressed any longer!

But I don't have any coffee and I don't want to get off the internet. Stop oppressing tiredness, you're trying to take away my rights!

 

[attackshark]

i'm tired of all the circle-jerks. everyone chill the fuck out.

 

[Legion]

It seems that every place I go on the internet, there's someone that says, "I believe in gender equality, but I don't like feminists."

Welcome to the world of privileged teenage boys.

I wouldn't get too upset about them. One day we'll look back at such people with the same combination of quaint amusement and awkward embarrassment we feel when we think of the people who came before us who insisted that women were unsuitable for daily work or learning math. "They are a dying people. We should let them pass."

I assumed that people who say that are more likely to be people who do not want to be associated with what they perceive feminism to be. Like gamers who refuse to refer to themselves as such because they do not want to be associated with the more negative connotations.

 

[Zombie Sodomy]

We manly internet nerds tend to lash out at women a lot. I'm not going to say that this behavior is excusable, but I feel that many of us were disproportionately treated like crap/ignored by women growing up. I love women and most, ok all, of my friends are women, but I have to admit that there are times when I think back to High School, I just can't help feeling bitter. I know it usually wasn't intentional but, growing up with severe social anxiety, women made my life hell. Their presence made me feel judged and unwanted. Constant feelings of rejection have a way of staying with you and I think it turned me into a bit of a sexist. I know my anger towards women is illogical; and unfounded, and I am trying to work on it, but it is still there. I don't know how much of my experience rings true with the nerd community, but this has always been my theory on the hostility directed at women on the internet. That and people are sexist in general. The internet makes them fearless.

 

[the clockmaker]

It seems that every place I go on the internet, there's someone that says, "I believe in gender equality, but I don't like feminists."

Welcome to the world of privileged teenage boys.

I wouldn't get too upset about them. One day we'll look back at such people with the same combination of quaint amusement and awkward embarrassment we feel when we think of the people who came before us who insisted that women were unsuitable for daily work or learning math. "They are a dying people. We should let them pass."

I assumed that people who say that are more likely to be people who do not want to be associated with what they perceive feminism to be. Like gamers who refuse to refer to themselves as such because they do not want to be associated with the more negative connotations.

Exactly, feminism is suffering a major crises of both identity and image spurred by its more aggressive proponents. It is also suffering from a very big bout of 'with us or against us' and masses of moral high ground induced hypocrisy.

What about men is a valid topic for discussion. Discussing whether or not 'privilege' is a concept ultimately harmful to the pursuit of equity is also valid. Discussing the methods used to bring about equity is valid. Discussing whether or not the idea of 'feminism' needs to be distinct from the idea of 'egalitarianism', and what, if any differences of note exist between the two is valid.

Katori-kun's dismissive attitude is part of the problem, assuming that everyone who disagrees with him is a 'teen aged boy' young and stupid and arrogant. Feminism/egalitarianism should not be about shutting down discussion. It should not be a key 'I am a feminist, shut up and accept that you are wrong' magic bullet.

Though I am thankful that he/she did not trot out 'perma- virgin' line that several 'feminists' on this site have.

 

[bluepilot]

Battle of the sexes can never be won because there is far too much collaboration on both sides.

I do not think that there is much point in getting upset about what people express over the internet, you can pretty much say what you want with (mostly) no consequences and due to the anonymous nature people express opinions that they normally would not.

You see all these angry angry men posting hateful things about women and they either a) end up in prison, b) grow up, or c) die alone.