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antidonkey

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Dragon Age: Origins slapped me around with all sorts of meh. I didn't hate it but I've no desire to ever play it again or anything else that comes down the series' line. I did not like the first Uncharted at all. I found just about everything about it either boring or frustrating bad. I felt it had potential though so I gave #2 a chance. While I enjoyed it quite a bit more, I don't think I enjoyed it enough to give #3 a shot.

Sometimes massively popular games just don't resonate with you. Nothing you can do about it but move on and sell your copy on ebay.
 

The White Hunter

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scorptatious said:
SkarKrow said:
scorptatious said:
We're all individuals. We all have a certain taste when it comes to what we enjoy in games.

For example, I consider Shadow of the Colossus my most favorite game, but there are people who dislike the game. Nothing I can really do about that.

So no, you aren't being arrogant, at least I don't think you are, you just don't enjoy those particular games. Nothing wrong with that.
Shadow of the Colossus is a game loved by many and also disliked by many. I dislike it but I understand the appeal behind it, I just didn't find it very enjoyable to play. Maybe if there'd been the odd smaller thing to kill than the colossi, but then that would detract from it as an art piece.

What was it you enjoyed about it?
*cracks knuckles*

Okay, here we go.

For me, I love just about everything about it. It had a simple yet engaging story of a young man who was willing to risk his life to do the impossible. Sure, there have been lots of stories which involved a guy saving his girlfriend, but the way it's told here made it very appealing to me.

The fact that you don't actually fight anything other than the colossi themselves made them very special to me. It sorta provides a very nice contrast to the large, empty, and lonely Forbidden Lands. As Yahtzee has put it, it's like riding a bike down a peaceful road and every few yards, the bike turns into a bear.

The fights themselves are also fantastic. When I was younger, I could never imagine a game where you would not only fight a boss, but also climb all over it and search out it's weak points. All while holding on for dear life whenever the colossus in question attempts to shake you off.

The game also has one of my most favorite soundtracks in any game ever. From the soft and mysterious tune that plays during the intro, all the way to the piece played during the very end of the game. It just sets the mood perfectly.

One of the best parts about it is though, is sharing the experience with other people. I had my nephews play the game and they love it. :)

Bottom line, I friggen love this game.
Fair enough, I might try it again some time but I found myself essentially getting bored in between colossus fights. I liked the story and everything but the boredom in between was a bit much for me.

It's free on PS+ so I'll give it another whirl, I played it when I was like 14 though or something so that may have been a factor.
 

scorptatious

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SkarKrow said:
Yeah, I can understand the downtime between colossi being kinda boring. I don't blame you there. >_>

Still, it's definitely worth sticking to the end.
 

mrhateful

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Brown Cap said:
Basically your expectations are completely misplaced. Imagine this: you brought a movie but when you got home you found out it was a book, now this book may be the best book ever, but if you expected a movie then your going to be disappointed.

That said dragon age is a lot more like a movie compared to other WRPGs, the allure is to experience a journey as another character, if you don't find enjoyment in that then the game was probably not for you. The reason for him being silent is so you can think up any voice for him you want(And to reduce cost = more dialog options).
 

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Brown Cap said:
This Summer, I had a lot of games to play. I must have been living under a rock, because I hadn't played some stellar games that my friends had highly recommended.
I learned that Dragon Age was a Bioware creation, and I thought if it's anything like Mass Effect, I'd love it. I was dead wrong. Preemptively, I bought the first two games, used, for less than 50 dollars. As soon as I started playing I was very disappointed. A voiceless protagonist, boring quests, and simple, unimaginative combat made me hate the game.
Perhaps I merely set my expectations to high, but I was severely disappointed.

A friend of mine lent me all three of the Uncharted Series, and I was excited to play them. He raved up and down on how much he enjoyed it, but by the time I reached Chapter 6, I didn't want anything to do with it. The gunfights were boring, frequent, and repetitive, and it became and actual chore to play.

I guess the discussion I'm trying to reach is a few topics.
- Am I just being arrogant towards these games? Is there a hidden allure to these games that I'm missing?
- Are there any games that have let you down, despite good reviews?
- I understand that if you don't like a game, one simply shouldn't play it, but are these games true works that deserve to be played through?
I've had issues getting into Uncharted as well, I started with 2, which may have been part of the problem, but everyone I talked too said it shouldn't matter.

I hated Dragon Age, the combat was awful.
 

JagermanXcell

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Ishal said:
Brown Cap said:
- Are there any games that have let you down, despite good reviews?
Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time

You know those "what's so great about half life 2?" threads that pop up every once and a while? Well, substitute Ocarian of Time in there and you have my problem. I should love it, its fantasy and supposedly awesome, but I just could never get into it, and that goes for every game out there. I won't deny there is something special about them, I just can't get into them. Ocarina didn't age well at all and every time I try to get through it I just decide to play something else.

I'm a heretic I know, but it is what it is.
Its good though, I didn't like OoT cause I didn't see what was so GOD-LIKE from it.
Same with Skyward Sword, combat was meh and @#$% Fi, but who didn't hate Fi. The story was pretty bland, don't know why people praised it.
Majora's Mask on the other hand was genius, why that one isn't seen as GOD-LIKE bothers me. Wind Waker is also me favorite Zelda game...

Now we're both heretics! :D
 

Gameguy20100

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Game quality is 100% subjective.

I mean there are some exceptions that I really don't think would appeal to anyone(no I will not list them)

But there is no such thing as a good game regardless of what anyone says.

Dragon age might be one of my all time favorites but I'm not gonna judge you for not liking it mate. :)
 

RandV80

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I would blame this effect on the homogenization of the game industry. They try to make games that fit everybody's tastes, but sometimes people just like different things. And sometimes you get games that aren't meant to be homogenized that becomes hits, and people wander into them because they heard great things yet end up disappointed.

Case in point: Dragon Age: Origins. Bioware made this game specifically as a throw back for fans of their older games like Balder's Gate I & II. Now Balder's Gate II is a game you'll find on many peoples top 10 best of all time list. However I don't know exactly how many copies it sold back in the day but I imagine it was only 1-3 million, nowhere near what the big games sell today. And that's because these aren't games that can be enjoyed by anyone, those CRPG's were a niche audience. And DA:O's voiceless protagonist and slower paced tactical combat was a throwback to this.

You gotta know what kind of games you like. You can't just here that a games good so you pick it up, start playing it and think there must be something wrong with it because you're not having a good time.
 

Jmumbler

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Like what you like man. Honestly I tend to like it when me and my friends disagree on a game, it leads to interesting discussions on what they did right, what they did wrong, etc....

The problem usually occurs when you meet someone who takes there opinion and represents it as fact, and if you disagree you obviously don't get it.
 

The_Scrivener

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Brown Cap said:
This Summer, I had a lot of games to play. I must have been living under a rock, because I hadn't played some stellar games that my friends had highly recommended.
I learned that Dragon Age was a Bioware creation, and I thought if it's anything like Mass Effect, I'd love it. I was dead wrong. Preemptively, I bought the first two games, used, for less than 50 dollars. As soon as I started playing I was very disappointed. A voiceless protagonist, boring quests, and simple, unimaginative combat made me hate the game.
Perhaps I merely set my expectations to high, but I was severely disappointed.

A friend of mine lent me all three of the Uncharted Series, and I was excited to play them. He raved up and down on how much he enjoyed it, but by the time I reached Chapter 6, I didn't want anything to do with it. The gunfights were boring, frequent, and repetitive, and it became and actual chore to play.

I guess the discussion I'm trying to reach is a few topics.
- Am I just being arrogant towards these games? Is there a hidden allure to these games that I'm missing?
- Are there any games that have let you down, despite good reviews?
- I understand that if you don't like a game, one simply shouldn't play it, but are these games true works that deserve to be played through?
Loved ME, hated DA. So don't sweat it. I really struggled with the interface on console. It was way too dense and the world was a prop stage. I liked some of the characters, I liked the dark themes, but it was definitely destined for the PC RPG crowd. ME had so much more hero personality customization and spent tons of time on character detail--that is, until the 3rd one generally speaking.

At any rate, you're not alone. IT'S OKAY BRO.
 

Taurus Vis

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Took me three attempts to get into Dragon Age, but when I did, it was amazing. The first two times I didn't realize I had to set my party's tactics, so I was wondering why the AI was so boring and stupid. But once you master setting up tactics and start Role Playing (Honestly, how many RPG's have you played, I only know of about two decent ones where you character isn't voiceless) the game comes together beautifully.
 

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Same for me OP. I often try new games, enjoy them for a bit, then find myself playing ARAM in LoL (again), where I just get assigned something stupid like Leona or Udyr and I have a miserable time, but for some reason I keep playing. Tried some Dota 2 as well, but I really can't get used to just how long the disables are in this game and how many tiny hidden spots the map has, from which people can suddenly pop out and instagib you. So I always end up playing something that has extra long range and 3 shots people, like Viper, A-moving and going 25-0, but it still feels like I'm playing the game wrong. Oh well.
 

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Brown Cap said:
This Summer, I had a lot of games to play. I must have been living under a rock, because I hadn't played some stellar games that my friends had highly recommended.
I learned that Dragon Age was a Bioware creation, and I thought if it's anything like Mass Effect, I'd love it. I was dead wrong. Preemptively, I bought the first two games, used, for less than 50 dollars. As soon as I started playing I was very disappointed. A voiceless protagonist, boring quests, and simple, unimaginative combat made me hate the game.
Perhaps I merely set my expectations to high, but I was severely disappointed.

A friend of mine lent me all three of the Uncharted Series, and I was excited to play them. He raved up and down on how much he enjoyed it, but by the time I reached Chapter 6, I didn't want anything to do with it. The gunfights were boring, frequent, and repetitive, and it became and actual chore to play.

I guess the discussion I'm trying to reach is a few topics.
- Am I just being arrogant towards these games? Is there a hidden allure to these games that I'm missing?
- Are there any games that have let you down, despite good reviews?
- I understand that if you don't like a game, one simply shouldn't play it, but are these games true works that deserve to be played through?
I hated all of the above games. Uncharted had good writing, I guess, but the gamepay was horrible. I hated the jumping sections, I hated the combat, and though the puzzle sections were an interesting idea, they were simple, and I hated them too. The Last of Us is much better though, so you may like that one more.

As for Dragon Age, it seemed vaguely familiar. As if were the exact same story as every other fantasy story ever written. Honesty, Tolkien was great, but stop copying him. The Witcher looked interesting, if you're into fantasy, but I haven't actually gotten a chance to play it, so don't just take my word for it. Besides, there are multiple teams involved in Bioware, and it's pretty obvious all the talent went towards Mass Effect.
 

hermes

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Not a big deal. Whether you like a game or not is a subjective matter, so you can't talk about it as if you should feel guilty of it, or alone in your tastes.

I am also not a fan of Dragon Age: Origins (like you, I played it because I wanted more from the team that created Mass Effect), Deus Ex: Human Revolution or Grand Theft Auto 4. I can recognize they are well made games, but they are just not for me. Not that I feel bad for rejecting some of the candidates for the "Citizen Kane" of videogames award.
 

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It's a feeling I know all too well. There are some games that everyone tells me are amazing, but that I think are terribly overrated. Halo, Ocarina of Time (in fact, let's just throw Zelda as a franchise in there), and so on. I do try to play classics when I can, and sometimes I play a game that is genuinely excellent and deserves its reputation. Other times, I play a game and wonder why it was ever popular.

The revelation I've taken from doing so is: games do not age well. In fact, games age far more poorly than pretty much any other medium. Citizen Kane will always look imposing and fantastical, the words written in Peter Pan will never be lacking an imagination to enjoy them, but video games have factors that make it harder to become timeless.

The real problem (well, it's hardly a problem, but we'll call it that for this argument) is the continual progression of gaming as a platform. Gaming is still young, and with the continued rapid advancement in pretty much every related area, we're constantly finding new ways to perfect the interactive.

The upshot is that games that were previously considered revolutionary or amazing quickly look dated and clunky. A control system that's seen as adequate in one decade is reviled in the next (see 90s PC gaming). Camera controls are perfected, movement becomes more fluid, new ways of perfecting development and presentation are developed. A technological advance that blows people away at release becomes unimpressive and even expected five years later. This is why so many people now playing Half Life 2 don't quite get it; for the time, it really was something special, but now it's no more than we expect from a game, in terms of immersion and graphical quality. (That said, it personally still holds my interest far better than many FPS games with similar premises but inferior execution.)

That's not to say that games can't become timeless, or that older games can't be enjoyed. I still play Future Shock, and I still consider it the greatest video game ever made. I can still play through Deus Ex and love the cyberpunk story. While I will freely admit that the first one is buggy and primitive, and the second has the clunkiest FPS combat I've ever played, along with some of the shittiest voice acting, they still engage with me because of their setting, atmosphere, plotline and sheer heart.

So no, don't feel bad if you don't appreciate a "classic" game (unless that game is Okami, you monster) - aside from personal taste or anything else, the industry might simply have done exactly what it should; use the game as a spring-board to go and make something better.



Though while we're in a thread where I can basically pick a fight, let's pick a game that I think is overrated in any generation: Ico.

Oh yeah, I went there! This game didn't just aggravate me on its HD re-release; I hated it on PS2 too! The art direction might be above-par, and the sound design is simply excellent, but the controls are atrocious, the camera is worse, and Yorda is in desperate need of a few solid kicks to the cranium. As an art piece it might succeed, but as a game it's frustrating and broken. The movement controls are stiff and cumbersome, and the combat controls are worse. Also, combining camera-relative controls with an auto-tracking camera is just asking for trouble. Put it this way - if I say the following...

One gigantic escort quest where you shepherd an incredibly thick utterly useless person with poor AI through a dangerous world via the medium of horrible controls, and if you step more than ten feet away from her at any given moment you will both almost certainly immediately die.
...you're going to think I'm talking about Amy. Yes, I just compared Ico to Amy. Why is one lauded when the other is rightly savaged for its gameplay?

I'd go into more detail on why I really don't like the game, but it would turn into an even longer rant. I'll leave it by saying two things:

1) The post-credits ending, which I won't spoil, can drown in an infinite sea of fire ants.
2) The HD collection can join it. When Sucker Punch update a game in HD, they improve the camera and controls while they're at it. Team Ico gleefully preserved the more horrible aspects of their design for future generations. If games don't age so well, why not take the opportunity to improve on the bits that have dated the worst?
 
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1) No, you're not being arrogant. You like what you like and in my experience, the smallest thing can make people like or dislike a game.

2) The big one for me is Arkham City. I absolutely adored Asylum and I was so excited for City, I bought extra snacks and set aside an entire 72 hour period to play it through...... And I hated it. I mean I really really [i/]despised[/i] that game and I'm still not sure why. I think the villains for one. Batman is all about the villains and I thought Strange, Ra's and The Penguin, where incredibly weak. I blame the Joker tokens as well. Those pissed me off. I also blame Batman for taking the non-violence thing to such an nth degree, it got ridiculous. Plus, it always worked out. I feel Batman is at his best when his NO KILL policy bites him in the ass and leaves a bunch of people dead.

3) Some games should be played through. Portal, Thomas Was Alone, maybe Half-Life 2. This does not, however, apply to a lot of games. It also only matters if you're a person that really cares about gaming culture and want to be a integral part of it.