I'm wondering a bit about this:

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Fenris97

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Do you think that the general intelligence and grammatical margin of error has increased in opposite proportion (Intelligence down, Grammatical margin of error up) the longer the internet has been used by the general public?

I'm asking because I see a lot of less intelligent answers to various topics, as well as a lot of misspelling (E.g. Haz, u, y)
 

Thaluikhain

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No.

Although grammar may have changed due to the net, languages do that over time. There's no point saying something to be arbitrarily right or wrong, IMHO. "Dave and I, "Dave and me"...they both mean the same thing.

Additionally, intelligence hasn't been affected. You might say ignorance has decreased, in that there is more information accessible to people, but that's not the same thing.

When you say, "less intelligent", though, do you mean here, or all over the net? And compared to what?

People feeling the need to explain things they don't know about, and getting pissed off when called out of it is nothing new.
 

thiosk

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moest ppl r liek toetally stewpid RITE? ANYWYA.

The difference between the world before the internet and the world after the internet: When did anyone ever read what the "average" person wrote? Practically never, thats when. Newspapers, published books and periodicals. Thats what you read.

Did you ever meet an aspiring poet in the 90s? I did. She wanted to be a poet/actress so badly, but the tripe she wrote-- scrawled on faded recycled notebook paper (you know, the grey kind that made pencil look like crayon).

And there it stayed.

But now its PUBLISHED ON THE INTERNET. Where everyone on the internet who isn't an aspiring writer is an aspiring critic.

But its just the same. The average person has never had a particularly wonderful grasp of writing. Maybe its gotten worse in the last couple decades, maybe better-- but the average person is just as average today as they were before text messages and intertubes.
 

Fenris97

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By the general intelligence I am referring to (For example) attitudes towards others, as well as assumptions that something is "Bad" just because one does not like or enjoy it.
For example, a question I posed on a different site (Whether you would like item bonuses or speed bonuses in a racing game) was answered with fairly racist comments, which had nothing to do with the question itself.
I am referring to all over the internet, with the intelligence lowered compared to books, movies, or other media. While I do know that they are strictly one-sided forms of entertainment or communication, there seems to be more racism (Towards black, Jews, women, etc.) in the internet than other places.
 

Johann610

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Yes. Four reasons.
First, demographic. The Internet used to be all nerds, and the kind of nerds who lived and died by their ability to write well--fellows like Linus Torvalds and Bill Gates and Steve Jobs. They carried their formality with them like a knapsack. Now, everyone's on board, and not all of them are paid to speak or write clearly.
Second, informality. The Internet used to be that sort of place, and then it was big-business buying and selling in addition to research. Social networking used to be segregated pretty severely from this stuff, and the styles were pretty different. Now, we seamlessly copy from Facebook to Wikipedia to TVtropes.org to, well, here, and the laziest rules and styles spill over.
Third, fatigue. The first time I laid out a reasoned, well thought-out disproving argument against "Ladder Theory", or a calm, scientific dissection of why "going postal", school shootings, fight clubs, and bullies are linked, I was proud to do so. Repeating myself now--for the umpteenth time--seems like a waste of effort because I can assume everybody's read it (as if!), read something similar, or dismissed my ideas already. In larger terms, the big arguments have all suffered this kind of thing--obdurate people know the arguments and won't be swayed, the champions of the ideas are tired of shouting at the walls, and the Internet doesn't lend itself to wall-of-text reading. To prove it, I'll throw in a random quote to prove to myself that you didn't read this far: purple monkey dishwasher gober my daisy heads. The final point has your attention already, doesn't it?
Fourth, a sense that the Internet is "other" than real life. Simply, we turn off the business brain when we're on here, and the rules relax. Related to the general informality of the Internet, but specifically for all those live-and-die-by-writing people.
Fifth, anonymity makes f___wads of people. You knew that already--around here, we don't hide prejudices, we use them to stop debate and start arguments.
 

SmegInThePants

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I don't know about intelligence levels changing, but the margin of error regarding grammar has certainly ballooned. Its not as bad as ya think though, as it only applies to internet related dialog. Try handing in a legal document to the court written in internet-speak.

The fact that more people than ever are at least writing at all, even if its limited to the internet and rampant w/errors, is actually a step forward.

I do it too. I'm careful w/official documents, but when writing on the internet i just spew it out, often w/internet acronyms when applicable, and certainly w/no attention to grammar.

The newest phenomenon that I find interesting is that as a new sub-language develops (which happens all the time all over the world quite naturally), its now limited by class/age/probably-other-things, but is almost w/out limit in regards to geography, for the first time ever.
 

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I think I can give you an example of what the OP was talking about. I saw a home invasion take place (don't ask me if I called anyone about it... the answer will be self-evident when I'm finished). When the invader came out of the house, he stuck one fist into the air, and shouted "Take all the things!"

Somehow, you just have to blame the internet for that kind of behavior.

He was, of course, arrested. He was not charged with a crime however, because it turned out it was his own residence that he was robbing. Again, intelligence related, but this time the internet is not to blame. Actually, I believe he was trying (rather successfully) to troll.

As for the horrid grammar these days, blame texting. Cell phone shorthand has seeped into human culture like a bad infection.

Now understand that I am a middle aged man who has seen things happen. The fall of the Berlin wall, that guy in Tienanmen Square standing in front of a tank column, actually stopping the column in 1989, and the list goes on. Only one thing have I got a gripe with, and that's how cell phones have gone too far (texting and such). Apologies for the apparent theft of thread here, it was not my intention.
 

sky14kemea

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Not really. You'll get different levels of intelligence in most places nowadays. The whole "text speak" or whatever it's called is just used because it's apparently easier and quicker.

I have a few friends who would be considered more intelligent than me, and whenever I get a text or email from them, it'll be something like "Hi, how r u doin?". I just type things out fully because I'm a fast typer, so it doesn't take me as long as it does for them.

However, if you mean intelligence by the actual answers that are given, that's just random. You'll get a few racist or offensive people anywhere. =P Especially on the internet, because of the anonymous mask.
 

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Fenris97 said:
By the general intelligence I am referring to (For example) attitudes towards others, as well as assumptions that something is "Bad" just because one does not like or enjoy it.
So that's what intelligence means now?
 

shazlor

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I have heard stories from some friends in teaching positions that text and internet shorthand does occasionally make its into essays and what-not, but I imagine those same students would have written just as poorly in earlier years. I've found in some areas, the internet has created opportunities for people to focus more on their word 'smithery'. For example, the people in this thread have generally written significant portions of their arguments long hand.

I do believe the internet, (and by which I mean the community) has a strong political left bias, generally with an extremist position on civil liberties and a penchant to attack people of a differing opinion. Of course, there's a good chance I only think that because I swing more to the political right and I just want to play the victim card.

Also, as previously mentioned, the anonymity makes for people being more abusive to others, which makes them look significantly less intelligent.

Also part 2, trolls don't help the stats either.