IMO, no James Bond game has captured what it is like to be Bond

[Angerwing]

I'd say something like Mission Impossible: Operation Surma (who here has played THAT?) mixed with the Mass Effect dialogue system.

But obviously the gameplay would be more refined and updated than MI:OS.

 

[Skoldpadda]

Actually, No One Lives Forever came pretty close to the James Bond feel, even though you weren't playing Bond, but a sultry female spy.

It had shooting, sneaking, collecting intel, driving, and even gadgets.

It was a parody of 60's spy movies, and pretty goofy (and funny), but the game mechanics would make a pretty accurate Bond game.

Wasn't there a game of From Russia With Love a while ago, btw? How was that one?

 

[StBishop]

Double Post

 

[StBishop]

Why do people feel the need to use IMO likes it's some sort of flame shield.

Because when people start spouting out their opinions as fact, they get flamed.

they made the games to fit the Bond I believe. Brosnan games are less actiony really except at certain parts. More Bond stuff going on in them too.

The Craig games are super action movies with lots of explosions no gadgets it's just....eh. That's just the sort of Bond Craig is though.

But then again I think Daniel Craig is the worst James Bond ever, only worse one is that guy that was in On Her Majesty's Secret Service...

Agreed, if they wanted a rough-and-tumble, unsophisticated approach, gentleman spy at least get a brit who looks good in a suit.

Like Jason Statham, he pulls off the "Bad-ass who can drive well" as shown in "The Transporter" series, "Death Race" and the remake of "The Italian Job", he can also pull off a little bit of class as shown in his first movie, "Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels", he can be a hard ass as shown in "Snatch" and "The One".

I could keep going but it's easier to just send you all here to his IMDb page [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005458/].

Regardless, Daniel Craig is the worst bond of all time.

 

[Gethsemani_v1legacy]

Actually, No One Lives Forever came pretty close to the James Bond feel, even though you weren't playing Bond, but a sultry female spy.

It had shooting, sneaking, collecting intel, driving, and even gadgets.

It was a parody of 60's spy movies, and pretty goofy (and funny), but the game mechanics would make a pretty accurate Bond game.

Wasn't there a game of From Russia With Love a while ago, btw? How was that one?

This. No One Lives Forever even featured a rudimentary dialogue system for certain parts of the game. Just swap Kate Archer for James Bond, add a proper Bond-style story with classical spy-locations (Or just re-use the NOLF ones, lots of them could feature in a Bond film) and add some gadgets that aren't as feminine as Kate's and you've got a Bond game.

 

[octafish]

Bond isn't really a spy, he's more an inept assassin. An increasingly goofy one at that. George Smiley, or Harry Palmer, now those guys are spies.

 

[AnAngryMoose]

You know, I agree that EoN would have to be thrown in there, because that was the only Bond game that seemed like a game where you couldn't take Bond out and put, say, Doom Marine in.

However, Brosnan must be the face to the spy.

I agree with Brosnan, he was my favorite Bond. He can provide the voice acting for this game of mine too

Definately need Brosnan. Craig is an impersonator!

Although, I'd settle for Sean Connery or Roger Moore.

EDIT: Alpha Protocol had potential to have the best 'Bond' feel but it fell flat on it's face.

 

[JourneyThroughHell]

I played Blood Stone at a convention... and I felt it was the closest one up to now. Reasonable shooting and stealth mixed up with excellent driving sections and even some other stuff.

Sure, you still don't get to be really Bond, but that has to do not with gaming, but with the franchise itself. Daniel Craig is not Bond, his movies are not Bond movies, he's a not a smart-talking suave British spy, but a cold-hearted killer. I mean, fine, that's how Ian Fleming intended, but that's not how the Bond-games work.

Sorry, went a little off-track. If you want a game that gets the whole "smart-talking" aspect of it, I'd suggest Alpha Protocol. The gameplay isn't too good and it's a buggy mess, but when you get to the dialogue and the choices, it fucking nails it.

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

Why do people feel the need to use IMO likes it's some sort of flame shield.

Because they clarify their position as an opinion. Not doing so would result in a stream of people saying something to the effect "your opinion is not a universally accepted fact".

 

[De-Moti]

Why do people feel the need to use IMO likes it's some sort of flame shield.

Because they clarify their position as an opinion. Not doing so would result in a stream of people saying something to the effect "your opinion is not a universally accepted fact".

My comment was directed at the people who stuff like:
"This game fucking sucks, and everybody who likes it should fucking kill themselves IMO."
Now they cannot get flamed because they're only voicing their opinion.

 

[Brawndo]

I think the closest game to james bond would be alpha protocol, although they coulda handled that game a better the convo selection, and combat/sneaking felt like something you'd see in a James bond.

I was about to say something along these lines, but someone's a mind reader. You have a point, though. If they had handled the game better, maybe developed it a bit longer to polish up some things, it could've been the most Bond-like experience in a video game ever.

I think I need to play this game. It completely slipped under my radar, I don't think I've even heard of it

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

Why do people feel the need to use IMO likes it's some sort of flame shield.

Because they clarify their position as an opinion. Not doing so would result in a stream of people saying something to the effect "your opinion is not a universally accepted fact".

My comment was directed at the people who stuff like:
"This game fucking sucks, and everybody who likes it should fucking kill themselves IMO."
Now they cannot get flamed because they're only voicing their opinion.

But that statement can be attacked for a whole host of reasons in spite of the fact that it is asserted to be an opinion. Adding the IMO tag just helps avoid the lazy argument of the form I described from derailing the thread. The poster is still required to support their position and whatnot. It isn't a get out of jail free card after all.

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

I loved Nightfire, but mostly for multiplayer.


I could trollface people with the infra red grenade launcher sniper rifle.

Good times... I loved the crossbow.

To be honest, I wouldn't really find a game like that very interesting. If I want a good mix of combat and stealth I have Rainbow 6 Vegas 2 and MGS4.

 

[Woodsey]

Sure, you still don't get to be really Bond, but that has to do not with gaming, but with the franchise itself. Daniel Craig is not Bond, his movies are not Bond movies, he's a not a smart-talking suave British spy, but a cold-hearted killer. I mean, fine, that's how Ian Fleming intended, but that's not how the Bond-games work.

There's nothing suave about most of the other Bonds; if any of them came out with lines they do in the films in real life you'd laugh your arse off.

Craig's is younger, has more emotional-depth, charming and arrogant. His two films also carry more emotional weight then the others have mustered together across 30-40 years.

He is Bond to the fullest extent.

OT: Just finished Blood Stone, and it's pretty Bond-y. The story is pretty dreadful (getting a Brosnan writer for Craig's Bond was silly, but this guy can't write at all). It's fairly brutal, and pulling off a couple of melee attacks and then a focus shot or two look ridiculously effortless.

A definite framework that other Bond games should build from.

 

[temporalcrux]

But then again I think Daniel Craig is the worst James Bond ever, only worse one is that guy that was in On Her Majesty's Secret Service...

Lazenby. If the Bond world could survive George Lazenby, the games can survive being almost exclusively FPS genre.

 

[JourneyThroughHell]

Sure, you still don't get to be really Bond, but that has to do not with gaming, but with the franchise itself. Daniel Craig is not Bond, his movies are not Bond movies, he's a not a smart-talking suave British spy, but a cold-hearted killer. I mean, fine, that's how Ian Fleming intended, but that's not how the Bond-games work.

There's nothing suave about most of the other Bonds; if any of them came out with lines they do in the films in real life you'd laugh your arse off.

Craig's is younger, has more emotional-depth, charming and arrogant. His two films also carry more emotional weight then the others have mustered together across 30-40 years.

He is Bond to the fullest extent.

Eh... Well, I found Craig to be a pretty emotionless murderer in both movies and, while there were James Bond movies that portrayed him in the same way, both Casino Royale and Quantum Of Solace amped that up to a certain degree where it didn't feel like a Bond movie anymore.

Craig had some emotional depth - he's a fairly good actor, but the movies did not. Being a long-time fan of Bond movies myself, I found the dialogue in Casino Royale abslotely insufferable, the main female protagonist unlikeable and the movie lacking in the whole "over-the-top" thing that made James Bond fun.

To quote MovieBob about Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace: "Those are not Bond movies. Those are movies with a guy named James Bond in them."

If you honestly believe that all the previous Bond iterations did not have any emotional weight, you have not watched most, if not all, of them.

If they didn't call Casino Royale a Bond movie and rewrote the terrible dialogue, I'd absolutely love it.

 

[Nomanslander]

Brosnan

0o

You know I really don't want to get into an argument over who was the best bond, and actually, I won't.

=)

That contest is so unflinchingly one sided and obvious, it's nice to see anyone other them him get mentioned.

Funny enough, I thought Brosnan played a better Bond in his other "non-Bond" but like him roles (The Tailor of Panama, The Thomas Crown Affair, After the Sunset) than in the actually series.

Of course I blame that on MGM executives in the 90s. When they decided to reviving the role after Daltan's blunder, MGM was afraid Bond was a little to chauvinistic for the times, and there for decided to turn him into a bit of a pussy...-_-

Eh... Well, I found Craig to be a pretty emotionless murderer in both movies and, while there were James Bond movies that portrayed him in the same way, both Casino Royale and Quantum Of Solace amped that up to a certain degree where it didn't feel like a Bond movie anymore.

Craig had some emotional depth - he's a fairly good actor, but the movies did not. Being a long-time fan of Bond movies myself, I found the dialogue in Casino Royale abslotely insufferable, the main female protagonist unlikeable and the movie lacking in the whole "over-the-top" thing that made James Bond fun.

To quote MovieBob about Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace: "Those are not Bond movies. Those are movies with a guy named James Bond in them."

If you honestly believe that all the previous Bond iterations did not have any emotional weight, you have not watched most, if not all, of them.

If they didn't call Casino Royale a Bond movie and rewrote the terrible dialogue, I'd absolutely love it.

Actually, I'm also a long time Bond fan, and Bond has never been about having emotional weight. He's suppose to be a ruthless, womanizing, and emotionless ball of murder.

That is the fantasy he's suppose to play out, it's true a lot of Bond movies have some emotional weight, even Connery's, but they were always the weakest parts of the films.

The only thing that really separates him from all the megalomaniac-sociopathic billionaires he throws into a volcano is, A)he's no billionaire, and B)he's too suave to be sociopathic, he's just a straight up psychopath that knows how to hide it.

Honestly, try reading the novels, Bond is such a disgusting human being that reading through, you'll end up being scared for a month. 0o

 

[Woodsey]

Sure, you still don't get to be really Bond, but that has to do not with gaming, but with the franchise itself. Daniel Craig is not Bond, his movies are not Bond movies, he's a not a smart-talking suave British spy, but a cold-hearted killer. I mean, fine, that's how Ian Fleming intended, but that's not how the Bond-games work.

There's nothing suave about most of the other Bonds; if any of them came out with lines they do in the films in real life you'd laugh your arse off.

Craig's is younger, has more emotional-depth, charming and arrogant. His two films also carry more emotional weight then the others have mustered together across 30-40 years.

He is Bond to the fullest extent.

Eh... Well, I found Craig to be a pretty emotionless murderer in both movies and, while there were James Bond movies that portrayed him in the same way, both Casino Royale and Quantum Of Solace amped that up to a certain degree where it didn't feel like a Bond movie anymore.

Craig had some emotional depth - he's a fairly good actor, but the movies did not. Being a long-time fan of Bond movies myself, I found the dialogue in Casino Royale abslotely insufferable, the main female protagonist unlikeable and the movie lacking in the whole "over-the-top" thing that made James Bond fun.

To quote MovieBob about Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace: "Those are not Bond movies. Those are movies with a guy named James Bond in them."

If you honestly believe that all the previous Bond iterations did not have any emotional weight, you have not watched most, if not all, of them.

If they didn't call Casino Royale a Bond movie and rewrote the terrible dialogue, I'd absolutely love it.

I didn't say they didn't have any, but it's very thinly stretched. Maybe you need to watch Casino Royale again if you think he's emotionless, and you need to remember that QoS is a direct sequel to Royale in every sense of the word; Vesper betrayed him, she's dead, and he doesn't know how to handle it. If anything I'd say his reaction is what a huge number of men would do (myself included) - close up and pretend they don't care. He's also younger, hence the violence - the rest of him is very Bond though (along with the nature of the films if you watch them, there's still a Bond girl and QoS has it's own evil lair set-piece), albeit one you would take seriously.

As for the fun of the old Bond films, whilst I enjoy Connery's and Brosnan's, there are loooooooooong periods of the old films where simply nothing happens, and even the action scenes can be boring. It's like someone forgot they were allowed to edit them.

I'm actually interested to see how opinions of this divide up by nationality, since most non-Brits I've seen tend to be the ones who long for the older style of Bond films. Perhaps that's just my imagination though.

 

[redisforever]

Sean Connery made me buy From Russia With Love. Let's make it like Splinter Cell, mixed with Hitman, and EoN. With Crysis graphics. Cause Bond movies look damn nice.

 

[Spy_Guy]

But then again I think Daniel Craig is the worst James Bond ever, only worse one is that guy that was in On Her Majesty's Secret Service...

Lazenby. If the Bond world could survive George Lazenby, the games can survive being almost exclusively FPS genre.

I strongly agree that Lazenby was the worst one, Daniel Craig coming in as a close second.

Now, they tried to make Bond more relevant in these times, but seriously, a dude who has to lose at Poker? A guy who wants to steal water? All fueled by Terrorism, the new enemy.

Bond's always been about cheesy Spy action, with cool gadgets, dialogue, car-chases, girls, guns and such. But this isn't the only thing Bond does, he's actually doing the car chases and the shootouts in small doses.
In the games, however, shootouts and car-chases are ALL that's going on, coupled with a few stealth sections.
The ideal Bond game would be something like Alpha Protocol, but good, and with Bond in it (Brosnan).

The villains in later movies have been lacking as well, making me think that Die Another Day was the last proper Bond movie. We don't wanna see a game of Poker. We want to see Bond stop a mad Russian general, blackmailing the British governement with missiles that fire landsharks with tea-destroying lasers on their heads.

That may have been too over-the-top, but you get the idea.
I also agree with EoN being the best Bond-game to date. Sure, Goldeneye may have been a great shooter, but shooters aren't Bond.
EoN was still a shooter, mind you, but it managed to get the proper Bond feel despite this fact.