Imperials or Stormcloaks?

[Bromion]

Neither side has the moral high ground, but the empire is certainly the lesser of two evils. The White-Gold Concordat means nothing as far as I'm concerned. Both the empire and Aldmeri dominion know that hostilities will break out again and are just using this peace to build up their forces. When that war does come, it would be better for the Human races to be fully united against the threat the dominion poses to the them. If the empire stays united time doesn't have to be wasted signing treaties and forming alliances.

As for the storm cloaks, I understand the cause that the ordinary soldiers are fighting for, even though I think it will ultimately harm them. However, I can't support Ulfric. Not only because he is using the war to further is own agenda and increase his influence, but because he is directly responsible for Alduin's return. In killing Torygg and starting the war, Ulfric fulfilled an elder scroll's prophecy concerning the return of the dragons. Ulfric is risking the destruction of the entire world over petty religious and political squabbles. Elisif herself says that Torygg probably would have joined with ulfric if he had just asked. instead, Ulfric decided to be an ass and almost doomed everyone else in the process. That is not the sort of person who should be anywhere near the throne.

 

[Jynthor]

Neither side has the moral high ground, but the empire is certainly the lesser of two evils. The White-Gold Concordat means nothing as far as I'm concerned. Both the empire and Aldmeri dominion know that hostilities will break out again and are just using this peace to build up their forces. When that war does come, it would be better for the Human races to be fully united against the threat the dominion poses to the them. If the empire stays united time doesn't have to be wasted signing treaties and forming alliances.

As for the storm cloaks, I understand the cause that the ordinary soldiers are fighting for, even though I think it will ultimately harm them. However, I can't support Ulfric. Not only because he is using the war to further is own agenda and increase his influence, but because he is directly responsible for Alduin's return. In killing Torygg and starting the war, Ulfric fulfilled an elder scroll's prophecy concerning the return of the dragons. Ulfric is risking the destruction of the entire world over petty religious and political squabbles. Elisif herself says that Torygg probably would have joined with ulfric if he had just asked. instead, Ulfric decided to be an ass and almost doomed everyone else in the process. That is not the sort of person who should be anywhere near the throne.

I don't see how Ulfric could know of the prophesy in the first place.
And I'm pretty sure if the Elder Scrolls say something is going to happen, it will happen, There would have been no alternative with Ulfric doing nothing.

Also, I don't see how "The Empire is using this peace to rebuild" would make any sense since you know, the Thalmor will also rebuild and they have a head start. In other words, they'd get their asses kicked yet again.

 

[Bromion]

I don't see how Ulfric could know of the prophesy in the first place.
And I'm pretty sure if the Elder Scrolls say something is going to happen, it will happen, There would have been no alternative with Ulfric doing nothing.

That's not how the elder scrolls work. Each scroll can show a myriad of different futures depending on who is looking at it since the future isn't set in stone. it's only after a prophecy is fulfilled that it becomes fixed on the scroll.Whether Ulfric knew about the prophecy or not is immaterial. He likely knew that Torygg could be turned if he just asked, but he chose to kill him instead.

Also, I don't see how "The Empire is using this peace to rebuild" would make any sense since you know, the Thalmor will also rebuild and they have a head start. In other words, they'd get their asses kicked yet again.

That's precisely what I just said. That's why the peace treaty doesn't mean anything. Besides, who says anything about the Empire being weak against the Dominion? The only advantage that the Elves had was surprise and even with that advantage they failed to capture the emperor or his forces, who proceeded to utterly destroy the aldmeri forces within Cyrodiil. The only reason the treaty was signed in the first place was because the emperor knew that continuing the war wasn't feasible at that point. We can logically expect that the Legion won't allow themselves to be caught off guard like that again. an alert and united Empire stands a much greater chance against the elves, and we know from Ulfric's dossier in the Thalmor embassy that this is exactly what the Dominion does not want to happen.

 

[Jynthor]

That's not how the elder scrolls work. Each scroll can show a myriad of different futures depending on who is looking at it since the future isn't set in stone. it's only after a prophecy is fulfilled that it becomes fixed on the scroll.Whether Ulfric knew about the prophecy or not is immaterial. He likely knew that Torygg could be turned if he just asked, but he chose to kill him instead.

Even if Ulfric sided with the High King there would still be civil war. There would be plenty of Jarls bribed by the Empire. This isn't Stormcloaks vs Torygg supporters, this is a war between the Empire and Stormcloaks.
At any rate I stand corrected on how the Elder scrolls work.

That's precisely what I just said. That's why the peace treaty doesn't mean anything. Besides, who says anything about the Empire being weak against the Dominion? The only advantage that the Elves had was surprise and even with that advantage they failed to capture the emperor or his forces, who proceeded to utterly destroy the aldmeri forces within Cyrodiil. The only reason the treaty was signed in the first place was because the emperor knew that continuing the war wasn't feasible at that point. We can logically expect that the Legion won't allow themselves to be caught off guard like that again. an alert and united Empire stands a much greater chance against the elves, and we know from Ulfric's dossier in the Thalmor embassy that this is exactly what the Dominion does not want to happen.

I read your post a bit wrong but that was more meant in general anyway. Tons of people claim that the Empire is rebuilding but always ignore the fact that the Thalmor are doing the very same thing.
As for the advantage the Elves have. the Aldmeri lands remain untouched while most of the Empire was burned down.
In whatever way you look at it, the Thalmor would also be rebuilding, just like the Empire, but the Thalmor don't have to rebuild their lands because the Empire was too weak to invade, and still is. Thus they have a head start and would most likely steamroll the Empire next time.

But in the end I doubt both the Stormcloaks and Empire could defeat the Aldmeri dominion. They need an Alliance with Hammerfell and possibly Black March. But good luck with that.