Yeah, that's why there were thousands of pages and videos and essays on HOW it sucked. Because almost people were saying was "it sucked." Riiiiight.BreakfastMan said:Nope, they weren't. The only consistent criticism that I saw across all of those who wanted the ending changed was that it sucked.
Funny how that's exactly what you seem to be doing. "What? Evidence contrary to my point? I'll claim it as my own and declare victory!"Yopaz said:Interesting how you see simply what you want to see and ignore anything else.
If you don't want to talk about it, fine, but please don't project things onto me.
And that's about the only way people can really justify Mass Effect 3 folks as being "mostly whiners," really. People amped up with strawman arguments that people wanted a happy ending, or saying they weren't making valid complaints because "I don't mind" or "I disagree." Well, you have the right to disagree. That doesn't alone make it a non-point.Mikodite said:In a way that is the point I'm trying to convoy (as True Scotsmen-esc as it got). I have been told the difference between a 'whiner' and a 'complainer': that a complainer has a point. Mind you part of the problem is a given individual ranting about the wrongness of something before (or without) knowing why its wrong, thus the whining. Its an emotional knee-jerk reaction. Not too rational at all.
Honestly, if you don't have a good reason to criticise, I think you remain wrong. It's sort of like bandwagon jumping. In fact, people will jump on board these arguments just to better justify what was an irrational hatred. I suppose I could see it if it was merely an instance of expression, but you should have a basic idea why it sucks.Still, here's the thing: not everyone will dismiss you completely, even if your running on pure emotion. After all, the grievance could be real and it just needed a more rational person to point out the 'wrongness'.
If they're in a position to help though, often times courtesy gets you further because "whining" comes off as "being a dick" and tends to make them hostile.Depends on time and place really. In the case of customer service for the most part the ninny behind the counter wants to help you (their job depends on it), and a tantrum then wouldn't do much good if they couldn't help you as those reps had no power to help your plight (and in many cases its the store manager's fault, and they might not hear your problem).
Course throwing a fit might not seem constructive, but getting your ass in the newspaper for being upset over a given offense might rally some people to your side, depending on what it was.
Even getting in the newspaper may not help you. Look at Occupy Wall Street. And they had a point far stronger than complaints about Capcom's DLC and more relevant than the ending of a game.
I'm not saying you're wrong, just that I disagree on the logistics. Everyone wants to shout sometimes, and I get that. I just think most of the time you get further by being polite but insistent. Now, will that work elsewhere in life? That's a dodgier question. I find a little outrage can be both healthy and helpful, but from a customer service PoV...I think it's usually best not to be seen as a "whiner."