Dirty Cop James funs said:crimson5pheonix said:Repeating history you say?Dirty Cop James funs said:crimson5pheonix said:>jesusDirty Cop James funs said:
'suppose history has to repeat itself again.
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Wait, what happened with Gryphon? Because that post doesn't have a warning anymore? Is that what they got a warning for: "You guys are dicks. <3"? Or was it something else before?vallorn said:
Aww man! I liked Ezekial. That sucks! He was one of the few people who regularly made new threads, and they got quite a bit of discussion tooWintermute said:
This is fascinating news. It's about 8 months off from where I placed the peak, which was July 2011, but I didn't use as many data points as I should have.JoJo said:
Can you like, post the traffic reports, or PM them to me or something?
Oh goodie, the release valve for the hostility that plagues these forums between users has been removed. I am sure this will make things better on the forums rather than worse as those who previously used the "safe" place to be jerks to one another without repercussion, will now revert back to the previous method of rules-lawyering to allow abusing the rules themselves and thinly veiled hostility that antagonizes their opposition in the community into getting in trouble. Nothing helps save a sinking community quite like going back to fostering the worst attitude and behavior that drove so many away in the first place, right?
I was never invited to the WW myself. I never seen inside of it. I have only an outside perspective of how things in the forums changed before and after. And honestly, the community forums seemed less hostile after the introduction of WW. Still had arguments, till saw people butt heads, sure, but there seemed to be far less of outright toxic passive-aggressive sniping and legitimate trolling of people to bait responses after it. Hell, the banjumper seemed to disappear around the same time too. It was an improvement overall to the tone of things, compared to the way it was beforehand.
Honestly, I think you should have opened the forum up to everyone rather than get rid of it. Make it a feature to pull new community members in for the funposting, it would prevent the stagnation of discourse that came from only have a dozen regular posters in the forum, and it would mark a clearer distinction away from the previous outside view of the site as strictly and often irrationally moderated.
Lets face it, the site has no content and no hope that defy will get more for it. If the forums want to survive, they have to promote themselves rather than rely on the content of others to the site in the hope that will draw interest to it. As it is, the forums offers absolutely nothing of value to anyone compared to other places, save those that stick due to their existing ties with the community.
It isn't strict enough to appeal to the neogaf crowd, even if they wanted to venture away from resetera and the site wanted that sort of community.
It isn't free enough to appeal to chan-board using types.
It isn't managed or moderated with the degree of community respect or input to rival things like reddit. And problems with the rules, moderation, and moderators is a well-known history about this site from outside perspective, compounding that issue.
It is just a hole in the wall "bar" outside of a now-destroyed stadium trying to keep going by doing the same things they have done for years despite it not working in years.
Who is these forum for? Who is the target audience? And what is being done by the forum to target them and keep them around?
I was never invited to the WW myself. I never seen inside of it. I have only an outside perspective of how things in the forums changed before and after. And honestly, the community forums seemed less hostile after the introduction of WW. Still had arguments, till saw people butt heads, sure, but there seemed to be far less of outright toxic passive-aggressive sniping and legitimate trolling of people to bait responses after it. Hell, the banjumper seemed to disappear around the same time too. It was an improvement overall to the tone of things, compared to the way it was beforehand.
Honestly, I think you should have opened the forum up to everyone rather than get rid of it. Make it a feature to pull new community members in for the funposting, it would prevent the stagnation of discourse that came from only have a dozen regular posters in the forum, and it would mark a clearer distinction away from the previous outside view of the site as strictly and often irrationally moderated.
Lets face it, the site has no content and no hope that defy will get more for it. If the forums want to survive, they have to promote themselves rather than rely on the content of others to the site in the hope that will draw interest to it. As it is, the forums offers absolutely nothing of value to anyone compared to other places, save those that stick due to their existing ties with the community.
It isn't strict enough to appeal to the neogaf crowd, even if they wanted to venture away from resetera and the site wanted that sort of community.
It isn't free enough to appeal to chan-board using types.
It isn't managed or moderated with the degree of community respect or input to rival things like reddit. And problems with the rules, moderation, and moderators is a well-known history about this site from outside perspective, compounding that issue.
It is just a hole in the wall "bar" outside of a now-destroyed stadium trying to keep going by doing the same things they have done for years despite it not working in years.
Who is these forum for? Who is the target audience? And what is being done by the forum to target them and keep them around?
Nah, that was the post. Just sharing my honest feelings with the current crop of blue-tags, ie. The horses meant to watch the few dogs that remain kenneled here.Drathnoxis said:
Honest feelings that, until their recent "decision," would have had a place to be aired without fear of reprisal.
Curiously enough, I still have the warning, but it was unwarned in here.
Got 3 warnings for it at once for some odd and unexplainable reason. We'll just go with a system error/overzealous clicker, I guess. Benefit of the doubt.
Speaking of warnings though.
Possible to account for that two year gap between warnings with my total, sir?JoJo said:
He's right you know.jpgrunic knight said:
Also how would you mods feel if there was a user group for the criticism and analysis of your hammer decisions? Maybe one has been suggested before? Would any of you participate if it was an attempt at understanding rather than just attacks?
I saw your post. Your health bar is corrected and is now down to 1 bar (the latest Warning).LostGryphon said:
Edit: Eff it! You went two years without getting a Warning so I'm removing the recent whack. Take this as a verbal warning that even though you intended it to be in jest some Mods' tempers are on short leashes due to posters' rampant passive aggressiveness. Always best to err on the side of caution when dealing directly with Mods--especially in threads concerning moderation.
Congrats on clearing your Health Bar. You earned it. ^_^
I remember suggesting that same thing years ago, before there even was a WW because there was no were to discuss user problems and criticism of moderation without getting moderated for it, especially after the already established mod group banned the use of that group as a place to discuss such things. In the end, no one in charge wanted to put the effort into such a group to make it relevant to the site (namely, actually participating and listening to the community), and the idea was abandoned.Johnlives said:
Years later, the same problems persist and are complained about, and the site is far worse for wear.
The same problem exists with the idea now though, unless it is treated as having worth by the moderation team, it is pointless. If the moderation team is willing decide things without hearing community wishes, and ignore community complaints protesting it, then why make a new place to voice concerns that will still be ignored?
The community has no ability to improve the site. The moderation is the only ones at the moment able to enforce changes and this thread suggests it will be their way or the highway on any such matters.
To be fair, the forums were never (initially) supposed to be the main draw of The Escapist. It was the content, and the forums were just supposed to be a very nice bonus. But now there's no content, so now the forums are the only thing that's left of The Escapist. Oh, and Yahtzee, but he ain't bringing in the numbers like he used to. Or at least, one content creator isn't enough to get others to join and post here again.
I don't actually think that WW has to come back per se, but I think almost everyone can agree that the rules need to be toned down at least. I mean, honestly now. Why are we even keeping them?
I don't actually think that WW has to come back per se, but I think almost everyone can agree that the rules need to be toned down at least. I mean, honestly now. Why are we even keeping them?
I think I honestly have worse memories of the ME3 wars. Most of what I can remember about Gamergate at this point is confusion as to why it was a thing. And that one of the posters here, a former acquaintance, became a z-list internet celeb in some circles because of it.vallorn said:
Considering how often people complained about this very thing, I'm surprised it was missed. But, sometimes it takes a simple wording change to make something click into place. Happens with me a lot. With this perspective found, and as Gethsemani explained with the R&P topic... Do the mods have any plans to tackle this issue, both in terms of the way users try and skirt rules as best as they can, as well as dealing with the problem users that are specifically here to create trouble? (And by Gethsemani's wording, it sounds like they know exactly who these people are) Bit of a big question, but I wouldn't mind some insight!Basement Cat said:
Good job hammering the final nail in the Escapist's coffin. Defy fucked us over, but the mods in this forgotten place are wbat sealed the deal.
A site with moderation so strict yet so passive aggressive people can shit on 18 generations of your family as long as they disguise their post with a thin veil of "politeness", but you get an immediate warning and suspension if you called that person a "fucking ****" like you would in real life if some dipshit was being nonstop passive-aggressive at you, then introduces a forum with no moderation, and gets surprised shit like this happens?
The moderation might not have been the disease that killed this website, but was the rot that ensured it couldn't recover. A pity to see the volunteers left behind squatting like all of us keep propagating the mistakes of those who came prior. You think getting rid of the wild west will make a difference? The people are still the same, the insults and feelings are still the same. You still have to "live in the same house" so to say, you just made the living situation a lot shittier.
A site with moderation so strict yet so passive aggressive people can shit on 18 generations of your family as long as they disguise their post with a thin veil of "politeness", but you get an immediate warning and suspension if you called that person a "fucking ****" like you would in real life if some dipshit was being nonstop passive-aggressive at you, then introduces a forum with no moderation, and gets surprised shit like this happens?
The moderation might not have been the disease that killed this website, but was the rot that ensured it couldn't recover. A pity to see the volunteers left behind squatting like all of us keep propagating the mistakes of those who came prior. You think getting rid of the wild west will make a difference? The people are still the same, the insults and feelings are still the same. You still have to "live in the same house" so to say, you just made the living situation a lot shittier.
Not trying to add to the mod pile on or anything but surely you can see the irony in saying something like this when people have been saying that same thing for years regarding certain posters. Until off course they lose that short leashed temper and get banned while the one being passive aggressive gets off scot free.Basement Cat said:
Case in point, Inu-Kun.
And then you get rid of the one place we can call these pricks what they are without playing their little game and they get to continue doing what they've always done just because the mods happen to like those particular posters.
Boo.anthony87 said:
This isn't Kindergarten. We strive to make things fair for all folks.
To cry "Foul!" and behave wrongly directly stating that others' misbehavior serves as an excuse for doing so fails to persuade me.
"I am an adult!"
This we take as given.
"I cry tears like a child because someone was mean to me."
This, too, we attend to.
"Someone was mean to me so I broke the rules and now others suggest I shouldn't be found responsible for my personal, very own behavior/response."
....
No.
Period.
No.
Take responsibility for yourself. Period.
I wasn't referring to myself with any of that, more the general vibe of the forums.Basement Cat said:
What about the rest of my post? You just going to ignore like you ignore the behaviors of certain users?
Period.
Edit: Oh god, I can't believe missed that "off course" typo. I'm actually embarrassed at myself right now.
