Inception, Mal vs The Rules

[JohnReaper]

Okay so we know the story,

Mal is a projection of Cobb, But the rules state that the subcon of the target, is the one that populates the dream of the architect,

OKAY

so if Cobb is in the dream how the hell did Mal get projected into the dream of fischer when it wasn't Cobb's dream. Or the fact he didn't make it at all.

 

[Zhukov]

*shrug*

Inception is one of those movies that kind of starts fraying at the edges if you poke too hard at the logic.

 

[SckizoBoy]

Eh... Mal turns up regardless...

Mal was the first victim of inception as Cobb says part way, but because of what he fears, he's actually the second victim, albeit very subtly, of inception because of the heavily buried idea that he made of her prior to the events of the story which has sort of rebounded on him because of what happened afterward, hence that strange elevator place with the death scene which only exists in his subconsciousness. *shrug* Or something like that... go ask Chris Nolan.

 

[polymath]

Read this: http://badassdigest.com/2012/10/30/film-crit-hulk-smash-hulk-vs.-plot-holes-and-movie-logic/

Then accept that it doesn't matter too much if the film betrays it's logic if it's in the service of story and characters.

Also, that's not really a problem anyway, the reasons the subjects sub-conscious fills the dreamspace in Inception is because they aren't aware they're in a dream and so they aren't prepared to control what information they let loose. The reason Mal keeps coming in and causing Cobb problems is that while on the surface he acts like he has moved-on, underneath he is still devastated by the loss of his wife and so he can't stop his projection of her from entering the dreams because he doesn't want to let her go. The film is about him moving on, it just chooses to make his grieving process a very real part of the film's reality to force him to confront it.

 

[Xanex]

*shrug*

Inception is one of those movies that kind of starts fraying at the edges if you poke too hard at the logic.

This.

The story was only there to give a reason for the special effects. Not the other way around.

 

[DefunctTheory]

You assume that Cobb is in fact in someone else's dream.

The alternative is that Cobb is in his own dream, lost in a hell of his own making. Late in the film, he finally cast Mal out, freeing himself from the nightmare, but ultimately trapping himself in just another dream, one where he gets to finally be with his children.

It always puzzles me that everyone assumes the happy ending.

EDIT: Forgot a b.

 

[Something Amyss]

*shrug*

Inception is one of those movies that kind of starts fraying at the edges if you poke too hard at the logic.

Or at all. Seriously, applying thought to the movie causes it to disintegrate like toilet paper in a hurricane.

 

[ImperialSunlight]

*shrug*

Inception is one of those movies that kind of starts fraying at the edges if you poke too hard at the logic.

This.

The story was only there to give a reason for the special effects. Not the other way around.

If that was true, I'd expect there to be fancier special effects. Inception's most impressive special effects were pretty much the scenes where buildings would fold in on each other and such. I don't know, you'd think if movie stories were there to justify special effects, they'd make Inception some kind of space drama or something. And besides the plot holes, Inception had a fairly interesting, meaningful, well-written story, in my opinion.

And, considering the ending, I think the writers cared more about feeling and conveying meaning than about consistency and logic.

Also, that's not what Zhukov meant when he said that, I don't think... given that the entire paragraph after that contradicts it completely.

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Also this.

 

[Zhukov]

*shrug*

Inception is one of those movies that kind of starts fraying at the edges if you poke too hard at the logic.

This.

The story was only there to give a reason for the special effects. Not the other way around.

Uh... no. It really, really wasn't.

Rather, the logic was bent in service of the story.

Special effects had nothing to do with it.

 

[BrotherRool]

I always preferred the idea that the whole thing was a dream because it starts in media res and jump cuts a lot with tales of vaguely explained agents and conspiracies.

But seriously, Nolan built the film from the ground up to make emotional sense and to resonate with the emotional themes as he says

The important thing is that Cobb?s not looking at the top. He doesn?t care.

and

For the ambiguity at the end to work, you need to see that Cobb?s world and the dream world are very similar. And you need to doubt Cobb

So although it probably is a plot hole, it's not one that matters. You could say that since the inceoptioners are able to mildly interact with the world and chance aspects of it, and that Cobb fiddled with the creation of the dream even though he said he wouldn't, and that he's once of the best creators there is, that Mal isn't actually a projection, but gives all the presentation of one because that's what Cobb has created her to be like. His subsconscious interferes with the creative process and always remind him of his wife and creates here as 'projection' in the dream, in the same way dreamers can create guns or clothes.

Her sophistication is a testament to the flexibility and exceptional imaginative power of Cobbs mind.



Thats not the actual answer and there doesn't need to be an answer, but I'd like to see if it's got holes or not. We know dreamers can create things in the world, so there shouldn't be a reason why they can't create things that look like projections, as long as they're good enough