Incest, explain your stance without bringing up genetics.
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Excellent link I'd love to read the whole thing (as dry as it may be). Early Google are lousy with specifically child sexual abuse cases (which we already condemn for completely different reasons). Are there any indications that specific incest relationships (or genetic ties) aggravate the trauma caused by child sexual abuse? Is there any information regarding the traumatic effects of incestuous relationships that begin during adulthood of all parties. (I suspect that most such cases would involve prior trauma).itsthesheppy said:
[This very much reminds me of most arguments against polygamy, which point fingers at the oppressive polygynistic regimes of Fundamentalist Mormans and Islamic nations.[footnote]Disclosure: I know Abrahamism is polygynistic, but I don't know if it was retained in Islam due to specific Islamic teachings, or because it was a product of Arabic culture. Jews became monogamous in the European middle ages, under the influence of European culture, as also influenced Christianity.[/footnote]. We've also seen (and mostly ignored) polygamy done right (sometimes called polyfidelity to differentiate) in families that have multiple spouses of either sex, all who gave informed consent as adults.]
There is often a correlation between child sexual abuse and incest. Usually when children are sexually assaulted, it is by someone they know, and often someone in their household. And while that may indicate a reason to condemn incest, that isn't a case for all incestuous pairings, and thus it may not apply to a specific instance of such a relationship.
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It's creepy and disgusting, people who do it are creepy and disgusting. I'm not saying you can't do it, consenting adults and all that but it's still creepy and disgusting and no equality/tolerance/etc bullshit is going convince me otherwise.
"Your bark feels so good, gurl!"Binnsyboy said:
But seriously, that tree should totally press charges.
Can there please be an end to threads on this topic? It's quite gross and disturbing and more worrying that it gets thread after thread. Also, keep it in R&P, not off-topic. If you want to have sex with your mother then I couldn't care less, but please stop posting about it.
Can't believe that took 7 posts.Andy Shandy said:It;s fun for the whole family!
OT: It's weird. I mean, I'm not going to try and stop anyone, two consenting adults can do whatever they want, but I'm also allowed to think it's weird as all hell fucking your own relatives.
OT: It's kind of icky
Otherwise whatever, people can do whatever they want but it's not for me.
While I don't think incest hurts anyone if there are no kids involved, I still think it's disgusting. The whole idea of fucking a relative just makes my skin crawl. I know that there are people with legitimate psychological disorders that makes them "get the hots" for relatives though. And I feel kind of bad for those people.
In short, as long as no kids are hurt from this, go nuts. Just keep the fuck away from me.
In short, as long as no kids are hurt from this, go nuts. Just keep the fuck away from me.
Yeah, it's not entirely coincidental that incest and child sexual abuse tend to crop up next to each other. They're bosom buddies. They can exist in isolation, for sure, but they're neighbors without a fence to separate their yards.Uriel-238 said:
Honestly, the psychological effects, in terms of development and maturity and pathology, are so well documented at this point that I'm truly curious if folks just don't bother to do much reading before engaging in an online debate. They just don't realize the debate is already ongoing, between people way more educated on the subject than the denizens of an online video game forum.
We're much better equipped to debate whether or not cel-shading was a good move for Legend of Zelda than this stuff.
I think it's nasty as shit. Why? I guess I'm not that open minded and the though of it gives me an antirection. That said, beyond the possibility of inbred children, I can't find a reason to stop it, and feel free to do it. As long as I don't have to hear about it and I don't have to like it, go nuts.
The use of genetics as a reason against incest can be just as easily applied to women over 40 and with an even greater chance as the woman ages of less than perfect offspring, but no one is suggesting that no one should have sex with them and making it illegal. It does speak to a logical inconsistency in the thinking of those who are anti-incest.
That as well as the fact that sex=/=procreation in our modern times. If someone wants to pass legislation to ensure any such offspring are aborted, im on board. As long as we also apply that to women over 40 as well. The fewer people the better.
That as well as the fact that sex=/=procreation in our modern times. If someone wants to pass legislation to ensure any such offspring are aborted, im on board. As long as we also apply that to women over 40 as well. The fewer people the better.
Remember this used to be "normal" back in medieval times with all that mentality of keeping the lineage/bloodline pure in a way.
It is because of those people that evolution came and hit them hard where it hurt: their kids getting born malformed and what not. Things change down the generations. It may of have turned well back then, but now, after so long, apart from the moral part, things will not go well for the born children if they don't mix up the DNA when reproducing.
That's my stance at least on it.
It is because of those people that evolution came and hit them hard where it hurt: their kids getting born malformed and what not. Things change down the generations. It may of have turned well back then, but now, after so long, apart from the moral part, things will not go well for the born children if they don't mix up the DNA when reproducing.
That's my stance at least on it.
I'm pretty sure more than 90% of internet discussions are carried out by people who know nothing or next to nothing about the subject, so this is not only true for this discussion.itsthesheppy said:
Why all the hate? It's not their fault that your family members didn't find you attractive.kickassfrog said:
As a gay man, I tend to view incest more charitably then most. I just don't see the big deal. So long as it is between two mentally competent adults, it just isn't my business. I don't do it, but that is my choice. You do what makes you happy it isn't my job to run your life for you.
As a nurses aid, I know that there is a higher risk for birth defects in incestuous babies. All the birth defects that are more likely to happen to incestuous couples happen all the time anyways. So for the same reason I use condoms to protect myself from HIV, you and your incestuous lover should be taking precautions as well.
Otherwise who cares.
As a nurses aid, I know that there is a higher risk for birth defects in incestuous babies. All the birth defects that are more likely to happen to incestuous couples happen all the time anyways. So for the same reason I use condoms to protect myself from HIV, you and your incestuous lover should be taking precautions as well.
Otherwise who cares.
yeah this.Stasisesque said:
i mean, as long as you don't have kids (genetics, I WILL BRING IT UP REGARDLESS.) then for the most part, as two consenting adults, go ahead. but to use the "old people having sex" comparison, that is basically how it is, and pretty much how i'm always going to feel about it.
Exactly this.Krantos said:
Genetics is THE reason it is outlawed/frowned on. You can make the "two consenting adults" argument all you want, but at the end of the day, if a child comes out of it, that child has no say in what genetics he/she does or does not have as a result of the actions of the adults. So the child, in a way, can not consent to being born and thus it is unfair to that child. Not to mention the stigma attached, even if the child comes out healthy. It simply goes beyond what two adults choose or choose not to do and, unlike the "Gay" argument, it does affect others around them.
There's some truth and non-truth to that. In the middle ages, the primary system of government in Europe was feudalism. Part of feudalism was serfdom, a system in which people would pledge their allegiance to the lord of the land (which included all of their grandchildren) in exchange for safety and security. So because people got locked to the land they lived on, it tended to create a closed community of sorts where people would end up related in some way or another. But they did not marry their immediate family members. There's a document I read once that described the rush to marry into a new family that had just signed into serfdom for a lord because they knew the family was essentailly fresh DNA.DarkhoIlow said:
Many biological historians also believe that this was part of what made the Black Death so horrible and effective. Europe had essentially stagnated in terms of DNA swapping and as a result, everyone had the same immunities and non-immunities.