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Moth_Monk

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People don't like incest because of the Westermark effect

Reverse sexual imprinting is also seen in instances where two people who live in close domestic proximity during the first few years in the life of either one become desensitized to later close sexual attraction. This phenomenon, known as the Westermarck effect, was first formally described by Finnish anthropologist Edvard Westermarck in his book The History of Human Marriage (1891). The Westermarck effect has since been observed in many places and cultures, including in the Israeli kibbutz system, and the Chinese Shim-pua marriage customs, as well as in biological-related families.
In the case of the Israeli kibbutzim (collective farms), children were reared somewhat communally in peer groups, based on age, not biological relation. A study of the marriage patterns of these children later in life revealed that out of the nearly 3,000 marriages that occurred across the kibbutz system, only fourteen were between children from the same peer group. Of those fourteen, none had been reared together during the first six years of life. This result provides evidence not only that the Westermarck effect is demonstrable but that it operates during the period from birth to the age of six.[7]
When proximity during this critical period does not occur?for example, where a brother and sister are brought up separately, never meeting one another?they may find one another highly sexually attractive when they meet as adults.[citation needed] This phenomenon is known as genetic sexual attraction. This observation supports the hypothesis that the Westermarck effect evolved because it suppressed inbreeding. This attraction may also be seen with cousin couples.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imprinting_(psychology)#Westermarck_effect

Edit: Read back through and I've been fucking ninja'd by a god-damned brony!! :D
 

The_Echo

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What people do behind closed doors is their business. Producing children as a result, I disapprove of. But if it happens, it happens.

I do happen to find a second (third?) cousin of mine pretty attractive. Were we not related, I would have shown her my moves.

Though I think second cousins and beyond are OK from a legal standpoint in America. At least, past a certain age. I'm pretty sure it's really only illegal because of the health issues incest-kids can come into.

My sister lost her virginity to our [first] cousin. I'm fairly certain he didn't know about the relation at the time.
That uh, that made my senior year pretty good. Being asked, "hey, wasn't that your sister?" every so often. Those are fun questions.
 

Jason Rayes

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Shadowstar38 said:
My feelings on incest are as follows

1) What in the ever loving fuck?!
I'm just going to stick with point one here. Seriously, the idea repulses me. I love my family, but I don't LOVE my family.
 

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I like this thread(at least first page, haven't explored it fully yet), it's a perfect example of how some people can handle things they don't agree with maturely...
Screamarie said:
Well I feel somehow morally obligated to frown upon parent/child incest, but that may just be because the thought is extremely squicky to me but...otherwise, no don't really care. As long as you and your mate is happy, none of my business.
And how others can't.
Elementary - Dear Watson said:
I... Uh... Dafuq!?

I'm not even blood relative with my sis, and that thought is still fucking discusting!
 

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Vivi22 said:
Overusedname said:
If I'm presented with evidence to the contrary, I'll listen and reevaluate my thoughts. I've learned to always question what I hear. Consider how hated polygamy is, it's interesting I was able to find well-adjusted examples of it. I can't find any for incest without problems directly linked to social, psychological and sexual health issues.
The trouble is that it's not only so stigmatized that you may never find examples of it, but in many places it also happens to be illegal if I'm not mistaken (I'm almost positive it is to some extent in Canada). I'd bet most people who engage in it that are otherwise healthy and well adjusted are also so afraid of going to prison that they try very hard to make sure no one finds out.
True, true. It's gonna be a while 'til there's more open people in incest. If it ever happens.

Society will know the truth in time. It'll be impossible to find an un-biased study on this for a while....I'm a kid right now, but I doubt I'll even live to see culturally accepted incest. It's a shaky issue. I just don't see any good examples, I acknowledge that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I looked rather hard...it's almost impossible to find any evidence of the good side right now if it exists.

For now, I'll keep to myself until evidence pops up that these people can be well-adjusted. I don't like joining a discrimination band-wagon and committing to it. For now...it doesn't look good for them. I honestly think it's wrong, but hey...times change. And some times they don't. *shrug*
 

Charli

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When kids are involved that's a no from me. If there's a guaranteeing of no pregnancy resulting from it then what you do is entirely your business. I could care less.

It's just... there's some pretty... substantial evidence of deformities resulting from incest, that's kinda why alot of people discourage it in the first place. Blood lines were becoming weaker due to inbreeding and science does support this idea.
 

BNguyen

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Well, based on a paper I had to write, it seems as though incest occurs due to living conditions, mostly crowded living conditions. But the data for that was based off an extensive narrowing down of thousands of individuals so I'm not entirely sure of the validity of the data; however, as for this thread.

I say, if two people, no matter where they came from, who they are, or what they do with their lives, if there is a mutual bond of trust, companionship, and desire for one another, then I count it as love and love shouldn't be torn apart just because you or anyone else has some problem with it occurring.
I can't really say that I've had that sort of experience before so I wouldn't understand what would draw two blood-related people together like that but I wouldn't stop it from happening unless it because a threat to the lives of other people - the whole "If I can't have X, nobody else will!" style of thinking
 

MegaManOfNumbers

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Kopikatsu said:
Metalhandkerchief said:
I think most people are genetically coded to not be attracted to siblings. Thus, those who don't have this code are judged by those who do. I wouldn't judge someone who engaged in it, but I can see why some others would. In different societies the "bar" for incest is different, here in Norway it applies to siblings only and not cousins. Cousins I have no problem with, as there is no chance of in-breeding etc.

I don't think I have anything more useful to say, other than I was never attracted to a sibling, and wouldn't imagine it happening.
Technically, you're genetically coded to have a strong sexual attraction to blood relatives. I forget the name of it, but there's a thing where if you stay around the same people for the first few stages of life (Either four months or four years), then that drops off completely and it turns into a kind of familial love as opposed to sexual. Really wish I could remember the name of it.

Anywho, I don't think much of incest. There was a lot of it in my family (To the point where my first, second, and third cousin are all the same person.) It's probably a good thing that I don't have a sibling, because I'm really not opposed to the idea at all.
I believe the term is called the "Wester Mark Effect".
 

Yeezut

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The incest link to end all incest links [http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/nmmjr/iama_man_who_had_a_sexual_relationship_with_his/]

If you've never seen this reddit AMA, be prepared to for full on train-wreck-can't-look-away coupled with feeling horribly dirty.

As for my opinion...no. More than enough people around that you don't have to go looking around the ol' family tree.
 

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Overusedname said:
Sophisticated mammals, our cousins, have set up social norms that seem to minimize incest naturally, free of moral conditioning, where as homosexuality in animals runs rampant and is harmless. This is true of Apes and wolves, for example. These creatures function on raw instinct. Incest is still in the animal kingdom all over the place, but for the ones most similar to us, it seems to be minimal.
The problem with evolutionary psychology is, that it's not necessarily compatible with modern morality.

Yes, there is the Westermarck effect, but nature also tells us to find the people most similar to us physically the most attractive, as a way to separate herds from each other, keep a breeding community closed to outsider groups, and prevent the spread of foreign diseases.

So, should we outlaw interracial marriages? After all, these people are going against what nature and science tells the rest of us!

The thing is, that most of these evolutionary psychological effects are often contradicting each other, not shared by us to the same degree, often they are rendered obselete by modern society, and many of them are overwritten by all that human emotional-rational-moral thinking that we are doing.
 

The Rascal King

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RobfromtheGulag said:
No kids. [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086250/quotes?qt=qt0458865]

Aside from that, do what you like.
Yes. Oh my glob yes. Do what you will, but please for love of all that is good don't reproduce.

Because science [http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Incest#Genetics].
 

Legion

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Overusedname said:
Sophisticated mammals, our cousins, have set up social norms that seem to minimize incest naturally, free of moral conditioning, where as homosexuality in animals runs rampant and is harmless.
I am not saying that I disagree with you, but Humans are the only animal capable of having sexual intercourse while preventing the ability to give birth as a result of it. For a species that has a chance of giving birth each time they have sex, it would only be natural for them to be innately steered away from it, or else they increase the chances of genetic issues.
 

vun

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I like it in romance stories, more for the "forbidden love" part of it rather than the actual incest part though.

As for real life; as long as they don't have kids of their own I don't mind.
 
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Absolutely not. One, its just creepy to be physically intimate with a fucking sibling. Two, in some states its illegal. Here in MN, incest is a felony with a max sentence of 10 years.
 

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Metalhandkerchief said:
I think most people are genetically coded to not be attracted to siblings. Thus, those who don't have this code are judged by those who do. I wouldn't judge someone who engaged in it, but I can see why some others would. In different societies the "bar" for incest is different, here in Norway it applies to siblings only and not cousins. Cousins I have no problem with, as there is no chance of in-breeding etc.

I don't think I have anything more useful to say, other than I was never attracted to a sibling, and wouldn't imagine it happening.
You think huh?

Simply from a genetic point of view your sibling's personality is going to resemble yours a lot. So even if you're not attracted to him/her, you'll probably find other persons that resemble your brother/sister attractive, though not consciously for that reason. For that reason the biggest cliché in cheating is cheating on your bf/gf with their brother/sister.
 

excalipoor

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Okay people, incest doesn't cause genetic defects. It just ensures that the existing ones are passed on to the next generation, which can cause all kinds of problems over longer periods of time. An incest baby isn't automatically going to grow up into a flesh eating beast. That said, don't make incest babies. Even if they'll turn out healthy, you're making life more difficult for them. People are going to ask questions.

Personally I couldn't care less. To each their own and whatnot, though I am glad I've never been attracted to a family member. Attraction in itself is such a hassle, wouldn't want to be attracted to someone society doesn't deem acceptable.