infamous second son can Cole "be in it" or have a cameo

[The Knightly Gamer]

Hello everyone

So as we all know by now there will be a new Infamous game coming out. It will have a new character named Delsin. Now alot of people have come out saying they want it with Cole. I am fine with a new character. I believe Cole's story has "been told". Altough I was thinking about this cool idea that came to me. What if Cole did "show up" at the end of "your game of Infamous" as a nod to the other games. I dont know how to do the spoilers tags so this is your chance to leave if you haven't played Infamous 2.



If you beat second son with bad Karma I think it would cool if Cole as the beast shows up to get you to join him and the other conduits and their war with humans. That would tie in with the bad karma ending of Infamous 2. For a good karma ending you could have Cole show up and Delsin say something along the line "You cant be real your dead?" and Cole could be "I was just needed a jump start" (yeah corny i know) to tie into the Lighting hitting the boat at the end of the Good karma Infamous 2.

 

[Maxtro]

From what I understand, Sucker Punch is using the "Good" ending as cannon, and saying that the RFI didn't actually kill all conduits.

Basically the RFI wasn't as powerful as we were lead to believe, or some bullshit like that.

 

[Xukog]

From what I understand, Sucker Punch is using the "Good" ending as cannon, and saying that the RFI didn't actually kill all conduits.

Basically the RFI wasn't as powerful as we were lead to believe, or some bullshit like that.

Really!? That's a weak cop-out... I honestly would have preferred they had just said it was a different story.

 

[Dreadman75]

If they're using the good ending as canon, then the short answer is no. No he cannot make an appearance. Why? Because he's dead. To have Cole make an appearance after having died in Infamous 2 would be a disservice to the series canon.

But I suppose I wouldn't complain if you could find his grave or if Zeke made a cameo.

If the bad ending is used as canon, which I don't think is the case here but I'll address anyway. Eh, sure, why not. Seeing Cole again, even if he is a Beast bent on the destruction of all non-conduits, would be pretty cool.

From what I understand, Sucker Punch is using the "Good" ending as cannon, and saying that the RFI didn't actually kill all conduits.

Basically the RFI wasn't as powerful as we were lead to believe, or some bullshit like that.

I wouldn't call it bullshit. Think about it for a second: Where did the first Conduits come from? They were just people born with unique abilities that the Ray Sphere could amplify. There's no reason more Conduits couldn't be born AFTER the RFI went off, it just killed all the Conduits that were alive then. Of course this all depends on how long after Infamous 2 that Second Son takes place.

 

[mmmikey]

I have a feeling that Cole will be in the game as an enemy and/or ally. Right now they're saying the story follows the Good ending where Cole certainly sacrifices himself, Kuo, Nix, and the Beast die along with some large amount of existing conduits and potential conduits. So wouldn't it be mind-blowing if you're playing this game under that pretense and all the sudden evil Cole shows up to fight you or join you depending on your choices in the game? I think it'd be a good way to pass the baton of main character to Delsin.

I'm glad they're shifting to a new character. Sucker Punch didn't really do much to expand Cole's power set in the second game. How many more lightning powers could they really put in? I felt like they polished up a lot of the powers from the first game but also introduced a lot of needless variations on them. It seems like they're saying Delsin can have different sets of powers in that he can absorb the powers of other conduits. And if there's going to end up being a lightning set, why not have Cole be the conduit to hand them off? I could be wrong about Cole, but I'd count on the electric powers being there, they've got the previous game's set to just transfer to this game, and I remember seeing the same electric lines you could grind on in the first trailer.

I don't think infamous has ever really had a strong story. It suffices to provide motivations etc. but not in the leagues of say Walking Dead, Heavy Rain, the Last of Us. But I've always found the gameplay the best I've experienced this generation. And I thought they made massive leaps in character development from 1 to 2 and partly due to their economical use of cutscenes in place of the comic-like slideshow thing they did in the first game. If the trend continues Second Son is prolly going to be up for goty for 2014.

 

[BrotherRool]

I wouldn't call it bullshit. Think about it for a second: Where did the first Conduits come from? They were just people born with unique abilities that the Ray Sphere could amplify. There's no reason more Conduits couldn't be born AFTER the RFI went off, it just killed all the Conduits that were alive then. Of course this all depends on how long after Infamous 2 that Second Son takes place.

This is what I hope they're going for. It doesn't make sense to me that the RFI would stop conduits from being ever born again and it still keeps the RFI decision as powerful because you're still killing off a huge section of people in the world.


They can't make the bad ending canon because it wouldn't made sense for the non-conduits to be in control again.

I still wish this was more of an alternate universe Final Fantasy style thing and in either condition I think having a Cole cameo would make things worse. This is best if it's as separate a story as possible

 

[I Max95]

Spoiler

Good Karma Infamous 2 means ALL "conduits" die
Bad Karma - all non-conduits die

Second Son doesn't really fit in the same storyline as Cole, since there are non-conduits that exist, and Delsin is a conduit.

Spoiler

I would rather it be a separate story altogether. But you never know how they might bridge them together. I mean "COLE" (as Kessler) was the leader of the First Sons, so Second Son may have to do with Cole having family or something...

maybe Deslin was born after Infamous 2...just throwing that out there

 

[IGetNoSlack]

Spoiler

Good Karma Infamous 2 means ALL "conduits" die
Bad Karma - all non-conduits die

Second Son doesn't really fit in the same storyline as Cole, since there are non-conduits that exist, and Delsin is a conduit.

Spoiler

I would rather it be a separate story altogether. But you never know how they might bridge them together. I mean "COLE" (as Kessler) was the leader of the First Sons, so Second Son may have to do with Cole having family or something...

maybe Deslin was born after Infamous 2...just throwing that out there

Sucker Punch has stated that Second Son takes place seven years post-Infamous 2. They've also said that Delsin is in his mid-20s.

On the subject of HOW Conduits survived the RFI? Simple: Random mutation in the gene.

 

[neonsword13-ops]

Second Son is based on the good ending, which is canon now.

And, if you didn't know..

Spoiler

Cole DUCKING dies in the good ending.

So no. I doubt we're going to see him.

It would be neat if we did, though. I just want my backpack with the Sly Cooper logo on it again.

 

[kenu12345]

Wait. Wait. I thought this was from the infamous ending. Its the only real ending that actually makes sense. Going from the good ending is just basically spitting all over cannon

 

[TheYellowCellPhone]

Logically? No, for reasons put in spoiler boxes.

Can Cole come back in flashback of some plot device he overlooked, in the collectibles, or even worse, as a ghost or reanimated person who interacts with Delsin? Hopefully freaking not, we are done with Cole's story, but I am not putting it past Sucker Punch to do a quick bit of fanservice.

 

[Maxtro]

I wouldn't call it bullshit. Think about it for a second: Where did the first Conduits come from? They were just people born with unique abilities that the Ray Sphere could amplify. There's no reason more Conduits couldn't be born AFTER the RFI went off, it just killed all the Conduits that were alive then. Of course this all depends on how long after Infamous 2 that Second Son takes place.

This is what I hope they're going for. It doesn't make sense to me that the RFI would stop conduits from being ever born again and it still keeps the RFI decision as powerful because you're still killing off a huge section of people in the world.

Second Son takes place 7 years after Infamous 2's good ending.

The only odd thing about it is that Delsin should have died according to the rules of that ending.

 

[happyninja42]

If they're using the good ending as canon, then the short answer is no. No he cannot make an appearance. Why? Because he's dead. To have Cole make an appearance after having died in Infamous 2 would be a disservice to the series canon.

I don't see why this is a big issue. They brought back the Agent John from a "certain death" scenario, and that was perfectly fine. Why can't Cole have the same possible benefit? Hell Cole died in pretty much the exact same scenario as John, holding a big ass ball of energy and going critical mass. And John wasn't anywhere near as powerful as Cole was when he used his altered ray sphere thingy. Sure he didn't disintegrate, but maybe he just went into a super deep coma. Besides, remember the final shot of the "Good Ending" and tell me that wasn't a HUGE hint that he might not be totally gone. Besides, the Infamous series is very inspired by comic books, and in comic books, NOBODY STAYS DEAD FOREVER. There is a ton of precedent for him to come back in some form if they wish. I don't think it's a disservice at all.

I wouldn't call it bullshit. Think about it for a second: Where did the first Conduits come from? They were just people born with unique abilities that the Ray Sphere could amplify. There's no reason more Conduits couldn't be born AFTER the RFI went off, it just killed all the Conduits that were alive then. Of course this all depends on how long after Infamous 2 that Second Son takes place.

This here is why they can have more conduits appear afterwards.

My personal opinion is that if Cole does appear, he's probably going to show up as a Ghost in the Machine kind of thing. That his electricity based powers will somehow convert his conciousness into something that will live in the net. And he'll probably talk to the hero of Second Son as a "hacker" who's trying to help him take down the UberSecurity Network that is being used to constantly monitor the people.

That last bit is purely guesswork though. I'm confident enough with Sucker Punch's writing to make the story good whether they bring Cole back or not. Part of me would applaud them for letting him stay dead, and his sacrifice be a true one, and simply move the story on to another hero, but given the source material for the game series, it would certainly be in theme for him to make a triumphant return. Hell, given his sainthood status at the end, if he came back, it could open up an interesting religious theme to the game too. Hmm, in fact they might already be going down that road now that I think about it. Second Son, Second Coming of Cole. Sort of like the anime Akira, where everybody suddenly went crazy and cults worshipping Tetsuo popped up, saying he was Akira reborn. Definately a possibility.

 

[roushutsu]

Since the good ending is what they're following, the only way I can see Cole coming in as a cameo is if Delsin ran into Zeke, who passed on some information about Cole's days to him. Basically in passing mention, not an actual dramatic entrance.

 

[Zhukov]

"Hey, you know the ending to Infamous 2?"
"What, the one that was well received and gave the series an ending with a actual sense of finality?"
"Yeah, that's the one."
"What about it?"
"I say we drop our pants and take a great big shit on it."

 

[Syzygy23]

From what I understand, Sucker Punch is using the "Good" ending as cannon, and saying that the RFI didn't actually kill all conduits.

Basically the RFI wasn't as powerful as we were lead to believe, or some bullshit like that.

Kessler already explained in InFamous 1 that his powers developed naturally without the Ray Sphere in his own timeline. Even if Cole managed to kill all conduits at the end of InFamous 2, what's to stop new ones from being born later? PLus, their powers are going to naturally develop anyway, so really all Cole did was purge the world of Ionic Radiation released by the ray sphere, which was causing everyone to die from the plague.

 

[Jenny Mcduckerson]

*SPOIILER ALERT* (Sorry, I don't know how to use the official spoiler thing)


It's possible that Zeke was just misinformed during his speech at the end of Infamous 2 about, what happened to the conduits.
I'd honestly prefer it if Cole stayed dead, it added more to his character in my opinion that he'd give his life to save the world from the Beast and the Plague.


*End of Spoilers*