Informal poll on the right to die

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JimB

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So here's a hypothetical situation I'll try to be detailed about because I know how much people love detail in this kind of discussion. Let's say someone has a non-communicable disease. He's in physical pain every day, and it ain't doing his mood much good either. The disease's symptoms can be mitigated, but they cannot be controlled within the patient's price range, because he's American and in my country we consider poor health to be a just punishment for the moral sin of not being wealthy; nor can the disease be cured. He will have good days and bad days, but this disease is something he'll have to live with for the rest of his life.

This patient examines his life as coldly and rationally as he's capable of under the circumstances (though he's aware that his status is probably coloring his judgment to some degree he can't predict), and decides that he will not treat the disease and will let it become fatal. He has a lot of reasons for that, like an inability to afford effective treatment, an unwillingness to prolong his life at the price of the pain it will cost him to do so, and a general sense that he's accomplished more or less everything with his life he intends to accomplish. The end result is still that he's going to let the disease run its fatal course.

Because he expects to die, he tells people about his decision. Though he's in no imminent danger of death right now, nor of death in the foreseeable future, and in fact he intends to go on with his life as he always has until the situation changes to the degree that carrying on becomes unfeasible. He wants to start wrapping up his affairs and to give people time to deal with his condition, though--after all, he's had a lot more time to come to terms with his disease process than you have, so he knows it will require an adjustment period for you--and you're one of the people he tells as part of his preliminary goodbyes.

What do you do if the disease is, for example, a cancer?

What do you if the disease is, for example, a bipolar disorder?

If your answers differ between the examples, why so?

Thanks for your thoughts, and I promise not to argue with anyone about your choices or convictions; though I may have to ask for clarification.
 

Esotera

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I'd respect their decision in both cases if they were in a sound state of mind when they made it, and weren't being unduly coerced (e.g. if they weren't doing it simply because it cost too much money, that wouldn't be acceptable). I wouldn't try to change their mind but would ask them why & how they came to their decision.

It'd also be a lot easier if this was discussed before the disease came - you can do this with an advance directive. It's not necessarily binding for mental health but it's taken into consideration as part of your treatment. As far as I'm aware doctors can't go against your wishes for physical conditions.
 

Xan Krieger

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I think you have the right to die whenever you want regardless of circumstances, if you feel you'd be better off dead for whatever reason then you should be free to die.
 

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Xan Krieger said:
I think you have the right to die whenever you want regardless of circumstances, if you feel you'd be better off dead for whatever reason then you should be free to die.
This is pretty much my thought on the subject as well. Who the hell are we to tell someone that they are not allowed to end their life whenever they want? If someone wants to die, and their death doesn't royally screw over anyone they have obligations to then they should be free to do what they want.

Also, on topic, bipolar disorder doesn't really seem to fit into the scenario that the OP created because bipolar disorder doesn't cause physical pain (at least as far as I'm aware).
 

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Dirty Hipsters said:
Also, on topic, bipolar disorder doesn't really seem to fit into the scenario that the OP created because bipolar disorder doesn't cause physical pain (at least as far as I'm aware).
It'd work if the OP hadn't specified that the pain was physical (might want to edit that, OP). Speaking as someone who has it, bipolar can cause enormous, long-lasting distress when it's bad.

OT: I strongly believe that everyone who's able to think about it rationally should be free to choose the nature of their own death in such a situation, be that through something like a DNR, refusing or discontinuing treatment, or even euthanasia if that's an option. I think it's a fundamental part of upholding a person's dignity and freedom.
 

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I don't feel that I have the right to force anyone to go on living if they have, with full presence of mind, made the decision to die.

I am a member of a cryonics organisation and this reminds me of a case from the 90s where one of their members who had suffered from depression for 20+ years and for whom no treatment had been successful killed himself so that he could be cryo preserved in the hope of being reanimated at a time when his depression could be cured.
Though he was suffering from depression I can see some logic in his choice. He had had enough of living with his condition and took he only way he could see towards having a chance to live without it.

Though shooting himself in the head with a .38 wasn't the best way of ensuring his brain was preserved for the future.
 

JimB

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Eamar said:
Dirty Hipsters said:
Also, on topic, bipolar disorder doesn't really seem to fit into the scenario that the OP created because bipolar disorder doesn't cause physical pain (at least as far as I'm aware).
It'd work if the OP hadn't specified that the pain was physical (might want to edit that, OP). Speaking as someone who has it, bipolar can cause enormous, long-lasting distress when it's bad.
Maybe it's just some kind of sensory aphasia on my part, my mind trying to focus my misery into some form I can cope with, but if I spend long enough either unable to sleep or in a depressive state, I feel physical pain; my heart hurts and my stomach starts burning like with an ulcer or something.

But let's assume that's just me being weird and other people don't feel that way. Does that change anyone's answer? Does the presence or absence of physical pain, compared to mental pain, form a determining factor in your reaction? If so, why?
 

Johnny Novgorod

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I think bipolar disorders and mental diseases in general can be treated and no, I wouldn't kill myself over them or encourage anybody else to do it. A sickness like cancer is oftentimes uncurable though, and I would understand and assist anyone whose pain is too much to bear. I don't think I would do it myself though, not till the very last second.