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DrWilhelm

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Fai57 said:
I would recommend the Mistborn series, by Brandon Sanderson. It has one of the most original magic systems I've ever encountered, and a deep, engaging plot. Overall, a great piece of fantasy.
Really, all of Sanderson's work is great. He always comes up with very interesting magic systems. I'm not really sure how he does it.
I'll second Brandon Sanderson, the man is pretty much my God. He isn't the best fantasy writer currently working (that honour should go to George R R Martin in my opinion) but he's definitely one of the better ones, especially when you consider the rate at which he writes books. Big beefy doorstopper books that is, though of course with fantasy is there any other kind? And yeah, his magic systems are astonishing. I think part of what makes them so great (aside from how original they are) is that he treats them kind of like sciences, in that each one has clear (mostly) unbreakable rules about how they function. The result severely limits the likelihood of any magic use feeling like an ass-pull. Oh, and the way he sets up plot twists is just wonderful. I've been reading fantasy since I was little, and I'm currently studying Creative Writing, so I can usually spot a plot twist a mile away, and yet Sanderson can still manage to slip some of them past me. And they never feel like last minute switcheroo type twists. They're always clearly foreshadowed, the kind that leave you thinking "Holy Crap! How didn't I see that coming!", or you know that something big is about to happen, but you can't quite figure out what. Theres a twist at roughly the mid point of Warbreaker that pretty much floored me. Also all of his books are linked (excluding the Wheel of Time novels he's done of course) and most of these links seem to be important in his new series, The Stormlight Archive, which has got me very excited. If anyone here hasn't seen his work yet, you can download Warbreaker for free from his site at this link - http://www.brandonsanderson.com/portal/Warbreaker . It's not his best, but it's still great and who can argue with free?

Er, yeah sorry about the great big block of Brandon Sanderson love, but like I said, the man is my God. What's this thread about again? Oh right, the Inheritance Cycle! It's crap. Total crap. Honestly Panini only got published because his parents owned a small publishing company, and then some executive type realised they could market him as a child prodigy for epic dollars. Like others have said, the writing is bad, the characters are bad, the plot is bad, and it's basically plagiarism in a shiny wrapper. There is almost no originiality on display in his books. They're like an originality black hole, or perhaps a paper bag filled with sugary treats from the Overused Fantasy Cliche Pic'n'Mix.

And yeah, I know that very, very few (like multiple decimal percentage few) ideas are original these days, but today it's become more about how you put all the tropes and cliches together, and how you play with them. To go back to Brandon Sanderson, take his Mistborn series. How many stories have Evil Overlords and Chosen Ones, but in Mistborn the Chosen One IS the Evil Overlord. In the end it's more complicated than that, but that's the basics of what I mean. But with the Inheritance Cycle you see very little of this kind of trope-play. Every element in the novels feels like its been cut out of another prominent story and dumped into Alagaesia (seriously, what an awful name for a setting).

Then we get into the writing itself. At least in Eragon, it lacks precision. Some sentences feel weird, like Panini doesn't quite know how to describe something, or he doesn't know what some of the words he's using mean (heres a very important tip for aspiring writers that I've been finding useful: if you use a word that you aren't quite sure of the meaning of, or a word you got from a thesaurus, always check in the dictionary. Relatedly, some people advise avoiding using a thesaurus. Load of rubbish in my opinion. A thesaurus, or the synonym function in Word, is great in moderation. Don't overdo it and you should be fine, and again, check the bloody defintion). Heres an example of what I mean right at the top of page 2 in Eragon.

"The Shade hissed in anger, and the Urgals shrank back, motionless."

How can you shrink back, an action which would require motion, while remaining motionless? It's clear what Panini means but what he's described is impossible. This is one of those lines that can leave you confused for a moment, interupting the flow of the prose. Good writing is all about being precise, making sure the reader clearly understands the actions taking place. If I'm seeing such an obvious problem as early as the second page, something is definitely wrong.

There are plenty of faults in this series, from how most of each book is unimportant filler, to the probability that Eragon, a hero of the epic variety who is presented as whiter than white and purer than pure, is a sociopath (example on page 2 of Eldest, Eragon is described as being horrified by the viciousness of war, and then immediatly plucks a tooth from the ground AND STARTS BOUNCING IT IN HIS HAND! How is that not disturbing behaviour?). I don't want to make you read an essay on the subject though so I'll conclude here-ish. Part of the problem is that Panini was so young when he started on the series, 15 I think it was. Good on him for writing such a big book at such an age. Hell, most probably couldn't have written something of that quality so young, and even now that I'm 20, and have been studying the art of writing, I'd still be challenged to write something of that length. That doesn't mean the quality of his writing was very good though. It definitely didn't deserve publishing. But it was published, and his success has gone to his head, meaning that his next books were just as bad, if not worse. He thinks he's a good writer, and when you don't feel you need to improve, you usually won't. I feel that Panini could have been a great writer with time, but now it's looking quite unlikely.

P.S I know his name is Paolini but for some reason I'm endlessly amused by making fun of the names of authors and similar who I dislike. For example, M Night Shyalemonbrains, M Night Shambles etcetera. Juvenile as heck, but whatever, I find it fun.

P.P.S I don't think I've seen anyone recomending Joe Abercrombie's The First Law series. It's a great trilogy, great prose, really clever, pretty darned original, although with an absurdly depressing conclusion. The books ought to have a health sticker on the front cover. "Warning: May cause clinical depression". I think the last book in that series hit me harder than most of A Song of Ice and Fire.

P.P.P.S In before the TL;DR.
 

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noah22223 said:
I, personally, prefer this book to LOTR. Also, Only good thing about the movie is the fact it is named after the book. I prefer to imagine Saphira's voice as like, A goddesses voice.

EDIT: I also figured out Solembum's statement about the Rock of Kuthian and the Vault of Souls.
just... you know what.. nevermind, you like it more, thats your thing, im not going make a big deal over it and potentially start a flame war, but i am going to ask WHY?
EDIT: to clarify, why you prefer it to LOTOR.
 

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Bobbity said:
/whole lota stuff
dude reading the blog spot post freaked me out...


Melian... Melian
Angrenost... Angrenost
The Lonely Mountain... The Lonely Mountain
Valinor... Valinor
The Grey Folk... The Grey Folk

I read the first two of Paolini's books and half of the third. Almost sorry I did
 

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Lekonua said:
Bobbity said:
Oh, and Eragon/Aragorn. Huh.
Actually, Eragon is just a single letter shift from "dragon." Still doesn't make much of a case for originality, but at least it's one thing that wasn't ripping off something else.
I believe that Panini is now claiming that Eragon means "Era gone by". Talk about being pretentious.
 

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noah22223 said:
I started this thread so people could talk about the books, not hate on them and there author. Also, Star Wars got most, if not all, of its story from the space fascination of the time. LOTR got most of itself from Lore. EDIT: Also, so they could recommend books of similar ilk, suck as the Xanth series of novels.
Actually, A new hope was inspired by " The hidden fortress" directed by Akira Kurosawa and starring the inimitable Toshiro Mifune. Watch it sometime, the comparisons are evident. Also if you start a thread about Eragon, the people who dislike it * there are a lot of us* will show up to voice their complaints and discuss them with eachother and anyone else, this is the internet.
 

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I like it until about halfway through the third book. Then, one day while I was reading it, I looked up at just thought, Wow, this is SO RACIST. I can't stand the series ever since then.
 

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They were okay when I was in 6th grade, but I don't really like them much anymore. I've moved on to reading bigger and more interesting books, and, being a writer myself, spent lonely nights writing my own story.

By the by, can someone point me to a good Steampunk fantasy series/book? My story involves Steampunk and Cyberpunk and regular fantasy, and I'd just like to see how well other authors implemented Steampunk.

Also, if you get curious as to the whole Steampunk+Cyberpunk thing, shoot me a PM/quote me and I'll explain.
 

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Z of the Na said:
Owner of the entire hardcover collection here. I haven't read them in a few years, but I have fond memories from my Senior year of High School reading them. It's probably the most mature fantasy based series revolving around dragons I can recommend right now.

I also didn't mind how much the movie didn't follow the book, actually. It was still fun to put a voice to Saphira for once.

[small]I eagerly anticipate the release of the final chapter to the story. I want to find out what happens next!![/small]
Same. I actualy really enjoy them,so nothing else much to say about them. Oh,and absoletly hated the movie,though I also liked having a voice for Saphira in my head for her.
 

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Gxas said:
Giantpanda602 said:
I remember reading Brisingr in 7th grade...I'm now a freshman. Usually, authors begin writing their next book before the one they just finished comes out. It shouldn't take 2+ years for it to be released.
It took two years from Eragon to Eldest.
It took three years from Eldest to Brisingr.
It will have been three years from Brisingr to Inheritance.

I'd say that thats fairly consistant.
Yea, and the US education system is consistently terrible.
 

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InnerRebellion said:
They were okay when I was in 6th grade, but I don't really like them much anymore. I've moved on to reading bigger and more interesting books, and, being a writer myself, spent lonely nights writing my own story.

By the by, can someone point me to a good Steampunk fantasy series/book? My story involves Steampunk and Cyberpunk and regular fantasy, and I'd just like to see how well other authors implemented Steampunk.

Also, if you get curious as to the whole Steampunk+Cyberpunk thing, shoot me a PM/quote me and I'll explain.
Theres a Scott Westerfeld series that's got elements of Steampunk. Starts with a book called Leviathan. I think that China Meiville's Perdido Street Station is Steampunky, though I have yet to read it. I've got a pile of about 15 books I own but haven't yet read, and that pile keeps growing bigger. Can't think of anything else off the top of my head aside from Girl Genius, which is a webcomic so maybe not quite what you're looking for. My own reading has a deplorable lack of steampunk, and I wish to rectify that as well. Cyberpunk too. The only cyberpunk I've read (ignoring films) is Snow Crash, which is awesome but I've had to put my reading of it on hold thanks to cursed essay deadlines.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perdido_Street_Station

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviathan_%28Westerfeld_novel%29

http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20021104 (Link goes to the first page of the comic)
 

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Hairetos said:
Boy lives with uncle in the middle of the Empire and is told by a mysterious old man that he has magic powers who would also teach him to fight with the "Varden" against the Empire and their evil leader.

Yeah, Star Wars was alright.
Don't forget the special coloured swords and the trip to see the super powerful old master of the magic warriors for extra special training and the shocking revelation about
Eragon's father (yea it did end up being false but still counts)

OT: I still love the series. I love Star Wars and LotR and an awesome merge of these things makes me happy.

Also the way that magic is cast and controlled in the Inheritance world reminds me of programming quite a bit.
 

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InnerRebellion said:
They were okay when I was in 6th grade, but I don't really like them much anymore. I've moved on to reading bigger and more interesting books, and, being a writer myself, spent lonely nights writing my own story.

By the by, can someone point me to a good Steampunk fantasy series/book? My story involves Steampunk and Cyberpunk and regular fantasy, and I'd just like to see how well other authors implemented Steampunk.

Also, if you get curious as to the whole Steampunk+Cyberpunk thing, shoot me a PM/quote me and I'll explain.
More along the lines of science fiction, but I quite enjoyed Terminal World by Alastair Reynolds.
 

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Giantpanda602 said:
Gxas said:
Giantpanda602 said:
I remember reading Brisingr in 7th grade...I'm now a freshman. Usually, authors begin writing their next book before the one they just finished comes out. It shouldn't take 2+ years for it to be released.
It took two years from Eragon to Eldest.
It took three years from Eldest to Brisingr.
It will have been three years from Brisingr to Inheritance.

I'd say that thats fairly consistant.
Yea, and the US education system is consistently terrible.
I don't quite see how that relates at all to this scenario.

If you are trying to attack me for being stupid because I'm American, you really need to look deeper for something that will actually affect me. There really is no other option as to what you could be saying this for though. I'm very confused.
 

DrWilhelm

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IrishAdams said:
I just finished Brisingr last night actually, and I have heard all the people talk about ripoff's and such, but I find Inheritance Cycle to be very interesting. I get lost into the world and lore, before I try to deciefer the similarities of this book towards another book. I just enjoy a book, and as long as it has great characters that I like, well written dialogue and character interaction and I just have fun reading it in general, then I hardly care. You call it ripoff, I call it inspiration, he was 15 when he wrote the first one after all.

*Captcha* - Clito appearance

Now thats weird and kinda adult hehe.
I really don't think that his age should excuse him, though. It doesn't matter how old you are, if you stuff ain't good, your stuff should not get published. And he wasn't fifteen when he wrote it. He was fifteen when he started, eighteen, I believe, when he finished. Besides, that level of "inspiration" would likely get me kicked off of my Uni course if I were caught, or at least put my place in jeopardy.

I should note that I don't begrudge people for enjoying his books, I mean I enjoyed Avatar and that film was just pretty, brainless fluff, and it did it's fair share of ripping off other works. I do take exception, however, with people saying that they're well written. It is rare that I find a book so badly written that I'm left angry, and Eragon and it's sequels managed to do so.

On the subject of the captcha's, are they words in various languages or just strings of letters? Sometimes they contain words that I know, or almost-words, and at other times they seem entirely random. Mine at the moment appears to be kteros atincr.
 

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I've read these books when I was really young. It's been years, but from what I remember, I really liked them.
AND THE FOURTH BOOK IS FINALLY COMING OUT?
Wow... that took awhile.
Compared to the others, Inheritance took 5/6 years?
I'll probably read it for nostalgia sake, but most of the plot I have forgotten by now.