Innocent till proven guilty doesnt apply

[Nargleblarg]

And this children is what the goverment calls justice. (fyi this is sarcastic)

 

[Epitome]

And this children is what the goverment calls justice. (fyi this is sarcastic)

Thanks for points that out, never would have guessed <<<sarcasm

 

[bjj hero]

Even so he has a right to due process, they cant just come kick your door down because somebodys says what your doing is illegal.

Yes they can. If people were reporting you were selling crack from your home, how long do you think it would take for the police to come knocking? And they always leave a mess after a ssearch, its being thorough.

Your source is biased, the name "torrentfreak" gave that away. He is going to complain about his treatment as hes been caught. If he has been mistreated as he says then his solicitor will make short work of it in court.

Finally donations are profit. Its not a charity or an NGO. If he recieves donations then hes made money from it. The same way your local drug dealer or prostitute could take "donations" for service. Not paying tax on payments does not mean you didn't profit.

 

[EisBaron]

Serves him right.

 

[Epitome]

You do get that im not supporting the illegal downloading dont you? The probable cause was supplied by the anti-piracy group in this instance, and any evidence is very open to tampering atm? And yes i understand the WMG being disabled, but where you got that file hashes are illegal i dont know? tehy are just a string of characters , if i type enough random charcters im eventually going to match the hash of a torrent doesnt make those characters illegal even if its immoral its still a definate grey zone.Yes the uploading and seeding of the files is illegal i fully understand and agree as that is directly sharing a licence one does not have a right to. And even ski mask and duffle bag in hand I am no more obligated under the law to direct him to the nearest police station than the nearest bank?

obviously you dont get it, if the .torrent hash leads to copyrighted material the hash itself becomes illegal. The probable cause could of also came from his grandmother, his best friend, or some one else other than an anti-piracy group and the same thing would of happened, obviously they had enough evidence that he was doing something illegal, but what Im amazed about is the fact that your hung up about it being an anti-piracy group that blew the whistle, would you still be as mad if it WAS his mother, or best friend? I doubt it. your argument of "randomly typing in characters of an illegal torrent" is also faulty, most websites have it set up where you search for an item, and it shows you the torrents, there is no way you could accidentally download a torrent, you might download the wrong one, but never accidentally downloading one at at all, thats like saying you find a debit card on the ground, but because you dont know its missing means its okay for you to use it.

I can find not a single allusion to .torrent files themselves being illegal, utizing one to download illegally is of course but the file itself? Could you please point me to supporting evidence?I wasnt sayin gyou randomly tyoe chars and wait till you actually hit in a torrent, i was just saying that a torrent file is nothing more complex than a random string of characters. And its not their blowing the whistle that im hung up on, suprised it didnt happen sooner given the length of time, my problem with FACT's involvement is that they are the ones prosectuting, all seized items went to them? Surely you see there is a massive conflict of interest there?

 

[Rensenhito]

Spoiler: /facepalm

Why would this be weird if they suspect him they suspect him case closed they can do that

But what they CAN'T do is what they DID. They denied him access to his lawyer, they denied him his phone call, they allowed a third-party organization to run amok in a private citizen's home, taking his possessions as they saw fit and trashing whatever they didn't take - which amounts to sanctioned vandalism - and they did nothing to fix the mistakes they made.

 

[Epitome]

Even so he has a right to due process, they cant just come kick your door down because somebodys says what your doing is illegal.

Yes they can. If people were reporting you were selling crack from your home, how long do you think it would take for the police to come knocking? And they always leave a mess after a ssearch, its being thorough.

Your source is biased, the name "torrentfreak" gave that away. He is going to complain about his treatment as hes been caught. If he has been mistreated as he says then his solicitor will make short work of it in court.

Finally donations are profit. Its not a charity or an NGO. If he recieves donations then hes made money from it. The same way your local drug dealer or prostitute could take "donations" for service. Not paying tax on payments does not mean you didn't profit.

Reread my stuff your absolutely right that i was wrong about the donations but still they are not obligatory nor directly tied to illegal torrents, they do have a certain grey area about them tehy are profit from operations but not all aspects of teh operation (if any) are illegal. I still dont see how catalouging .torrents is a crime but Kalezian tells me such a thing as an illegal .torrent file exists.I was under teh impression that a .torrent file was always legal just a string of characters instructions for your comp where to go to get what is illegal. I have already said in earlier posts im well aware torrentfreak is pro-filesharing but the story hast been picked up by bbc ,etc yet if at ll so for now this is the only source. As for the selling crack, thats not what i meant there is a difference between your neighbours watching you and reporting you and the police exectuting the private whims of a 3rd party interest group in what should have been a civil suit in my mind? Im not defending filesharing or those that facilitate it im just saying that if the activites fall inside the law ( which i thought catalouging does) then why are cops kicking down the door.

 

[Epitome]

Spoiler: /facepalm

Why would this be weird if they suspect him they suspect him case closed they can do that

But what they CAN'T do is what they DID. They denied him access to his lawyer, they denied him his phone call, they allowed a third-party organization to run amok in a private citizen's home, taking his possessions as they saw fit and trashing whatever they didn't take - which amounts to sanctioned vandalism - and they did nothing to fix the mistakes they made.

Exactly what i was getting at!!!

 

[eggcarrier]

My father-in-law is a forensic pathologist. He says at his job, there are two people he hates, "The Media that want to know everything; and the lawyers that want to change everything." So really we, good ole' Joe Public, have no idea what's actually going on in this case. We only know those two groups want to tell us. So an accurate discussion cannot be made with one article and one perspective; further study will be required. Such is the case with most trials.

 

[Rensenhito]

Spoiler: /facepalm

Why would this be weird if they suspect him they suspect him case closed they can do that

But what they CAN'T do is what they DID. They denied him access to his lawyer, they denied him his phone call, they allowed a third-party organization to run amok in a private citizen's home, taking his possessions as they saw fit and trashing whatever they didn't take - which amounts to sanctioned vandalism - and they did nothing to fix the mistakes they made.

ow sorry then

Apology thoroughly accepted.

 

[Epitome]

You do get that im not supporting the illegal downloading dont you? The probable cause was supplied by the anti-piracy group in this instance, and any evidence is very open to tampering atm? And yes i understand the WMG being disabled, but where you got that file hashes are illegal i dont know? tehy are just a string of characters , if i type enough random charcters im eventually going to match the hash of a torrent doesnt make those characters illegal even if its immoral its still a definate grey zone.Yes the uploading and seeding of the files is illegal i fully understand and agree as that is directly sharing a licence one does not have a right to. And even ski mask and duffle bag in hand I am no more obligated under the law to direct him to the nearest police station than the nearest bank?

obviously you dont get it, if the .torrent hash leads to copyrighted material the hash itself becomes illegal. The probable cause could of also came from his grandmother, his best friend, or some one else other than an anti-piracy group and the same thing would of happened, obviously they had enough evidence that he was doing something illegal, but what Im amazed about is the fact that your hung up about it being an anti-piracy group that blew the whistle, would you still be as mad if it WAS his mother, or best friend? I doubt it. your argument of "randomly typing in characters of an illegal torrent" is also faulty, most websites have it set up where you search for an item, and it shows you the torrents, there is no way you could accidentally download a torrent, you might download the wrong one, but never accidentally downloading one at at all, thats like saying you find a debit card on the ground, but because you dont know its missing means its okay for you to use it.

I can find not a single allusion to .torrent files themselves being illegal, utizing one to download illegally is of course but the file itself? Could you please point me to supporting evidence?I wasnt sayin gyou randomly tyoe chars and wait till you actually hit in a torrent, i was just saying that a torrent file is nothing more complex than a random string of characters. And its not their blowing the whistle that im hung up on, suprised it didnt happen sooner given the length of time, my problem with FACT's involvement is that they are the ones prosectuting, all seized items went to them? Surely you see there is a massive conflict of interest there?

until you provide a second source of this story, im calling bullshit on everything going to FACT, its obvious that your original link is entirely biased against anti piracy groups, FACT being a MPAA funded group has the right to investigate claims of copyright infringement, just like Perverted Justice, because they represent an industry. when you steal something be it data or tangible items a list is always made that goes to both the accused and the accuser, they dont "hand everything over", they check the list of what the police found and if it matches what was stolen, or in this case downloaded [because deny it all you want, he was mirroring torrents [that means the torrents are on another site, a lot of companies have official mirrors to ease their server loads] which not only will name him a defendant, but also whoever sites also hosted the data]. later in the story it says how donations are non-profit, thats only if the person or group is [in americal at least] a 501(c) non-profit organization, his donations were going directly to keeping the servers active, which does not constitute being a donation if the money goes to items that the receiver purchases, this being server bandwidth.

conflict of intrest? unlikely since as I said before FACT is funded by the MPAA, which is representation of the industry, they have every right to see what he had mirrored.

I already said i was mistaken about the donations, I have been reading over FACTS material, still no press release on this particular raid but when its out i'll post the link with teh OP. I still can find nothing that says a .torrent file is intrinsically illegal, the most vauge reference is the TPB trial and that was because a court deemed they were behaving in a commercial manner. Any personal downloads he has will undoubtedly get him prosectuted anyway but right now the possesions from his house that were seized are in the possesion of FACT,I doubt they made backups of any harddrives seized so whats going to stop FACT from planting whatever they need to gain a conviction. Even if they dont, and in this case probably wont have to they are in a position where they could do?