Interesting Implication of Dark Knight Rises.

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pdgeorge

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So first thing first: If you haven't seen the movie yet GET OUT! GET OUT WHILE YOU STILL CAN!

Seriously, mentioning full on spoilers. It could be that Superman shows up at the last second. Maybe the Flash! Who knows? If you haven't seen the movie you don't know yet so you better stop reading this if you want to avoid spoilers.

Ok. I will assume they are gone now.

Main point of this: GOTHAM IS DOOMED.

Information we are given:
Bane is 'hired' by Talia (Ras' kid) on behalf of the League of Shadows to destroy Gotham.
Joker is still alive.
Batman willingly kills at LEAST one person. (The scene where he's in the Bat and is shooting directly into the windscreen of the truck that has the bomb on it with machine guns and rockets. There is no way Bat's could have thought 'oh this won't possibly kill the potential civilian behind normal weak ass glass')

The last point doesn't have that much of an implication towards anything. Just worth noting.

So. League of Shadows as stated in the first movie is pretty damned intent on destroying Gotham. Ras tries it in the first. Talia tries it in the third. We know they aren't the only people in the league, someone else is likely to take up the position of leader and blow the hell up out of Gotham (or a potential leader will blow up Gotham to prove himself worthy of being leader). This time, there is no Batman to stop them.

Yes, 'Robin' gained access to the batcave. Did he spend years training in multiple martial arts before meeting up with the leader of the league who in turn spends more time training him specifically in fighting styles of the league? No? Does he even know HOW to use any of the equipment in the batcave? He might be able to learn, but Alfred sure as hell won't tell him how to use everything. Definitely won't be willing to unlock anything locked up. (Seriously though. If Bruce has no locks on anything it would be pretty stupid. What if someone just walked into the cave for whatever reason?)

So that's part 1 of why Gotham is doomed. It's going to be destroyed by the League and next time the destruction attempt is going to be even more cruel. They will ramp up their game a third time.

Part 2 of why Gotham/many other cities are screwed?

Joker.
We know Joker is the anti-thesis to Batman. Going by comic books? He will always return and try and destroy Batman. Going by the movies, pretty much the same deal. If Batman isn't showing up? Destroy MORE stuff. If someone shows up in the Bat costume but it isn't Bruce? Joker knows and will destroy MORE stuff until the real Batman shows up.

If Gotham gets destroyed, Joker won't care. He'll know Bruce still lives so he'll go and attack ANOTHER city. Whatever it takes to get Bats to face him.

Long post. I'm curious what peoples thoughts are.
Could an untrained police officer who is handed a bunch of toys and has no clue how to use any of them stand up against a league of trained assassins who have bigger and bader toys then you could imagine? Just because Heath Ledger is dead does that mean the Joker couldn't keep destroying things?
 

Sean Hollyman

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I hated the Talia character, it would have been better without her. Bane just got sidelined towards the end.


And who was that cool henchman of Bane with the red scarf? He was the one who said Lucius was under arrest.
 

CODE-D

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1. no, the police are going to arrest the members of the league and theres no quick escape from gotham right now and I have no reason there are more of them and if there are they are very disjointed now.

2. this is a realistic universe meaning joker got the needle when he got caught.
 

pdgeorge

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1) Not all of the league would be brought in on this job. There is bound to be more. (Plus they wouldn't be able to even catch all of the League that is in Gotham because if these guys are as well trained etc. as the the league members supposedly are, especially higher ups, then they could easily blend in/hide/disappear) I'd assume from the League's normal tactics that they would have just brainwashed a bunch of people to do most of the grunt work.
The whole thing may throw them for a loop for a while, give them some time and they could easily reform. Especially if Ras is still alive (I don't think they were definitive exactly if he was alive... a ghost... or just a hallucination of Bruce's)

2) I'll give the benefit of the doubt on that one. It could be argued either way but in the end Joker was sort of small game in the big scheme of things. He was only as big as he was in Batman 2 because all the mob bosses at the time gave him a lot of resources he couldn't have gotten otherwise.
 

Luca72

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Haha, I forgot about the Joker surviving the last movie. If he's still alive he's probably spent the last 8 years thinking up plans for destroying Gotham (or any city really), and certainly has at least one very receptive Arkham psychiatrist in his camp. If he gets any news from the outside, hearing that Batman has resurfaced after 8 years might just send him over the edge and prompt an escape.

That's a scary thought, since the League of Shadows has specific goals, but the Joker really has none.
 

scorptatious

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I don't really remember hearing anything about Joker still being alive. What part did they mention him at? I sorta assumed he got euthanized between movies.
 

FalloutJack

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I thought sneaking Talia on us was pretty clever, given how well I know the character histories. It was a good surprise move, but...I agree about the Joker.
 

Lionsfan

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Just going off of the movies, and assuming the Joker didn't get the needle, would it be possible for him to show up anywhere besides Gotham? Like someone said he only got big because the Mob bosses gave him a bunch of resources to take down Batman.

If Batman is retired and hiding, what mob boss is going to give Joker resources just to destroy shit to draw Batman out?
 

JWRosser

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I read that out of respect for Heath Ledger, the Joker wasn't mentioned (not sure HOW this respects him...but hey). Ergo, I think it's safe to assume that the Joker just kind of stopped existing. He wasn't sentenced to death, nor did he live. In Nolan's Batman universe, he just stopped existing.
By this, I mean that probably no one, not even Nolan, have a specific answer to what happened to him.