Crimsonsniper said:
Ninja Monkey said:
Crimsonsniper said:
lostzombies.com said:
Crimsonsniper said:
Am I one of the only person who see's the irony in that most of the nations wanting the U.S. as their ally are also some of the most notrious for anti-american comments?
Personally I don't feel any single nation would be of much military aid to the U.S. in a conventional war, and a nuclear war means everyone loses. The only one's who have tended to benefit from past alliances are our allies, not ourselves. If anything these alliances are one-way in benefit and I can't name a single major conflict within the last 100 years in which our allies came to the aid of the U.S., only U.S. aid to allies in pre-existing conflicts. I'd approve of us instead having no allies but ourselves and letting the rest of the world fight their own battles.
you mean like the way without russia the whole world would be speaking german and japanese
and those brilliant victories when the US went in basically by themselves, such as korea and vietnam?
Arrogance quickly brings defeat, the best things have come when people put mindless patriotic clap trap aside and wrok together, whether in war or peace
Your lack of reading skills are showing. I stated that the U.S. has never required the aid (or received aid) from her allies in conflicts actually involving the american nation within the last 100 years. The U.S. joined into a conflict that was pre-existing and helped those allies in the conflict, it was not a 2-way street, the U.S. received virtually no aid from her allies in any war to date within this time period. The Russians were already fighting the Axis powers long before the U.S. joined the Allies. Or are you claiming that Russian soldiers were helping hold the Phillipines against Japanese imperial troops?
It's high time we stop trying to be friends with people who would just as soon stab us in the back if they would benefit from it.
Erm, the Aussies helped you out in Vietnam at America's request. Hell, they even conscripted us using what was called 'The death lottery' and televised on national TV. There were also 'Aussies' with suspiously British sounding accents as well (due to a tie up of treaties that the UK was bound up in.)
Further reading: http://www.awm.gov.au/atwar/vietnam.asp
As an Aussie, would have to say the US. They bailed us out in the Pacific when most of our soldiers were busy in Europe (on behest of good old Winston.) Pretty much from then on we have sent troops whenever America has come knocking, so would expect them to return the favour.
Thats an interesting point, although I believe it goes more along the lines of a joint operation rather than actual alliance. Where the difference between the two is sometimes hard to recognize, it appears that at first Australia joined on behalf of South Vietnam (alongside many other nations who may or may not have been mutual allies or allied at all), they later pledged further support when America asked all countries involved to contribute more. Involvement may have had less to do with America and more to do with South Vietnam, however I don't know anything on the topic itself to render such a judgement.
The alliance treaty in question is the ANZUS treaty ratified in 1951 and is still in force (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANZUS). As for the Australian conception at the time, it was viewed that Australia would be sending troops in support of the American cause, as seen by the recruitment slogan 'All the way with LBJ' (see: http://vietnam-war.commemoration.gov.au/all-the-way-with-lbj/) which was brought about by the said request of the US and our binding defence treaties.
I will however concede that the alliance was self serving in the Australian interests as the populace feared what was dubbed the 'domino effect' of Asian states falling to communism one by one until they were knocking at our door. Not helped by an unpleasant rise of racisism towards Asians in general (which unfortunately still raises it's ugly head even in recent times e.g. The 'white Australia policy' through to the Cronulla riots.)
But I have wandered off topic enough, don't worry Yanks we won't stab you in the back just yet.......Just don't touch our beer.........
