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Mr0llivand3r

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Monty9 said:
Looking at purchasing a new phone and i am considering purchasing an iPhone outright. What are your opionions of them and are they worth it?
in my opinion no. because you're spending 600 dollars on a phone where the thing that gets the least amount of attention is the actual phone itself. apparently Apple isn't familiar with the concept that a phone is supposed to be an instant communication device, not a game system or an email hub or any other useless function it has
 

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Not outright just get a plan and get it for 199 bucks(for the little 8 gb one). Wow all this debate over a phone geez.
 

Lord George

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I'd just get an ipod touch and a nice phone which usally works out as costing much less then buying an iphone
 

Ranooth

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I have a HTC Touch and i bloody love it! (have a look at the HTC range)

Was gunna get an iPhone but its way too much here in the UK.
 

deathninja

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I'm a big fan of HTC phones, calender synching etc. isn't great for me as I'm primarily a Mac user, so I got an iPod touch (I'm always in the range of some WiFi net or another, so it works well enough).

Got everything I need, and in just 2 devices, but as with everything YMMV, as everyone has different needs/setups.
 

cleverlymadeup

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Unless you're operating on the premise that "looking alike" just means "sharing the same form factor," I'm not seeing the aesthetic resemblance at all.
actually i was person #2 that said it looks like the blackberry and yes it does, oh wow they moved a couple buttons around, doesn't mean it's not a copy

They're all QWERTY candybars, but that's like saying just because an Audi RS6 and a Honda Civic are both four door sedans doesn't mean they look anything alike aesthetically.
actually i could name several other cars the audi does look like and several the civic looks like, you really need to learn how to compare things

Oh the irony...I guess all the FUD-slinging has exhausted you because all it takes is a very simple search of just about any E71 review to figure out that the new generation of E-series devices (the E71 and E66) don't come with BlackBerry Connect ;)

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/07/28/blackberry-connect-ominously-missing-from-e66-and-e71/
http://www.wirelessinfo.com/content/Nokia-E71-Cell-Phone-Review/Messaging.htm
seriously stop using words you have NO clue about, really you don't know what FUD is yet you keep using the term.

BlackBerry Connect isn't all that great anyway; I much prefer Profimail (or Seven) since it does the same exact thing and doesn't cost me extra every month.
yeah you aren't corporate at all tho, there is a big difference, most corps have their own personal BES server or several of them. to define this in simple terms for you, since you have an issue with that, i mean corporate by several hundred users in their company

also BES servers usually do connect to exchange servers, since it's the most widely used email server, the other option is lots notes servers, so a BES server is a lot more handy and versatile.

And for corporate users, this comment on Engadget sums up why Nokia ditched BBC perfectly:

Nokia's call, for sure. But, remember, there are huge licensing fees associated with BB Connect, not to mention that BBC licensees are always second-class citizens in RIM's eyes.

That's certainly RIM's prerogative, after all, it's their ball, they can make the rules. I think that's the key driver here. Why make a substandard experience on a fantastic device?

Consider this.. What do the vast majority of BES installations connect to? Exchange. So, put your IT Manager hat on for a minute. You've already got a site license for Exchange, and don't need to purchase additional seats, since mobile access is covered by your existing CALs. You've got a choice to make. You can continue paying tons of $$ each year for support on your BES installations, and pay $20-45 more per month for each user's data plan, or, there's an alternative. Install a single Exchange Server in your DMZ area, and let your users use freely available ActiveSync clients. BES licenses aren't cheap either. A 500 user license pack has a list price of $27,499. That kind of money doesn't come as easily in today's economy.

On Windows Mobile, it's part of the core OS, same for iPhone 2.0 and PalmOS. On S60 phones, there's the free Mail for Exchange client, or if you want some more advanced features, $50 gets you a single license for RoadSync (right now it's on sale for $30). There are also volume license deals for RoadSync. RoadSync also works on UIQ and most J2ME phones.

All of the ActiveSync solutions sync at a minimum your inbox, contacts, calendar entries and task items. Several of the clients sync your entire folder hierarchy as well.

Take a look at a company with 1,000 mobile email users. You've got upwards of $50k in BES license costs, plus annual support on it. You're paying $45-50 each month per user on top of voice plan for a BB Enterprise plan. That's another $45-50k each month, or another $540-600k per year in data use. Don't forget to add in annual BES maintenance too.

Flip over to the other side, ActiveSync. Your users can now use data plans like the AT&T MediaNet Unlimited at $15/month, or the PDA plan at $30/month. That gives you annualized data costs of $180-300k. Ok, Mr. IT manager, think you might get a raise with the $300-420k you just saved the company?

Of course, this fails to address device cost, but you'll note I didn't factor that in for either side. For customers with 1,000 users, carriers are willing to negotiate deep discounts on devices, of course. As an alternative, you can offer your users the option to buy a device from a pre-defined list, and offer them a reimbursement allowance.

You still have lots of centralized policy enforcement with ActiveSync, including remote wipe capabilities. Your users still get their email, you get a raise, and everyone's happy.
i don't see any corp comments in there, i just see a couple guys that pay their isp for service, like i said corps have their own BES servers that they run
 

EeveeElectro

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I like how it was fashionable for phones to be small, now they're suddenly bricks again.


I neglect my poor phone anyway.
 

cleverlymadeup

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Eggo said:
You don't see anything about corporate users in that post? Seriously?
actually i see some small time business person as he mentions purchasing it from your provider, also for someone who supposedly has worked with a large base of users, having that much in licensing is rather cheap

you obliviously have no clue how much corp ppl make or spend on various things, i have and do and $50k isn't that much for a corporation, it's rather cheap

also there is the huge security risks associated with exchange

What's next...You're going to tell me the E71 is a BlackBerry knockoff and that it has BlackBerry Connect? :lol:
actually it IS a BlackBerry knock off, it has the same form factor, the same style keyboard, the same type of features, the same screen style, the same style icons

please point out how it's NOT a knock off instead of going after personal insults

Fail fud-troll is faiiiiiiilllllllllll ;)
seriously LEARN what fud means, what you spout over and over is truthiness because no matter how much you wish it, it's not true

all you've ever done to "disprove" me is doing the equivalent of plugging your ears and saying "LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU"
 

Powerhelix

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Get a regular cellphone, and an I-touch. Then you can do everything an I-phone does, but you wont get interupted when you get a call.
 

Aumichan

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I don't like them. People that buy them get really self absorbed and the thing is glitchy to tell you the truth, once your warranty runs out you get screwed when the thing breaks. Apple has a nasty habit of overpricing repairs.
Get a decent normal camera phone and just use your computer for the internets. You'll save money
 

Wormthong

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just get an lg viewty or something its the low end version of the i phone gives the same functions has expandable memory (8gb)for 30 euro's is a lot sturdier gets you a 2 year return and repair service for UNDER 200 EURO'S (5 mega pixel camera included)