Irish: are any of you it?

[Lionsfan]

Somewhat, I'm part Scottish and Irish. And supposedly I'm a descendant of a old Pict king, so maybe I'm royalty. But I don't really pay attention to that stuff since it's so little of me. I'm more Native American than any one European country

 

[thefrizzlefry]

I'm probably around 4/5 Irish. So, yeah. Not quite Irish to the core, but I'm damn close.

 

[Dethenger]

Are you asking for bare genealogy, or are you asking for people who are actually from Ireland?

I'm Irish on my mom's side, but I live in America, and I don't pretend otherwise. I find than when people refer to their ethnicity, they're mostly referring to the culture, and in that case, I have no business calling myself an Irishman, because I was born and raised in Utah. It irks me when people try to associate them to a culture by blood, and nothing else. As people have mentioned, there is a HUGE difference.

 

[geezah91]

You're only Irish if you've seen this fella on anything you buy...

Spoiler

 

[ZydrateDealer]

I'm drunk so technically im both Irish and russian.

OT:I'm about quarter scottish so pretty close like stepping over a line close. but the rest is quarter jap quarter pole and a mix of belgian and indios

Actually, technically you're a racist.

OT: Dwi'n Cymraeg. So not one of you crazy fun loving Gaels. (Gaels are the Scots, Irish and Manx so yeah you're close enough to them to annoy them with your heritage have fun. )

technically the drunk thing is a joke, i put jap because im typing this with a ps3 remote and it takes forever to spell anything, and indios is the name columbus called native americans which in spanish means " in god. So racist no, poor attempt at a joke yes.

p.s. i really a little lit that wasnt part of the joke sorry for the confusion.

It's okay man...my joke flat-lined too. I didn't really think you were racist.

 

[Chemical Alia]

Yep, born and bred in Cork. Doesn't mean I can speak Irish very well though. Also, as you can see by my name, I'm also Ginger. Stereotypical enough for you?

or english ye feckin' feen


dia duit, conas ata tu? is eirenannach me ect agus all this 1/4 this and 1/8 bollox plastic paddy nonsense pisses me off.

Please get over it, cultural heritage is seen differently in North America and does not represent a claim of nationality. I've never seen anyone get so uptight and pissy about it as Irish people do. Makes me glad I'm not from an Irish family.

 

[krection]

I'm half Irish. My great grandfather came to America during WW1.

 

[Verlander]

If it makes you happy, yes

Actually most of the people here meet your "requirements".

Yes, all of the "I'm a third" or "My grandfather was 100%" makes them all Irish.

Most of the people here aren't, and the folk from new world countries seem to have some sort of inherited patriotism for a place they have never been to. I laid out fair criteria, it could be said that you're only Irish if you're born and raised there. People need to be satisfied with who they are, and if we're lucky, ignore this ridiculous "pride" in a political measurement.

I'm pretty sure these people are claiming ethnicity by being of Irish decent. Their not claiming nationality and if they have an interest in the culture of their ancestors whats the problem with that? Also, If your saying that Irish Americans have lost rights to Irish culture because of their ancestors acclamation to another dominate culture you might want to ask yourself why out of the native Irish only something like 15% of them speak their own language.

I'd imagine 300 years of British rule largely put an end to native Irish speakers, and unlike the Welsh, reclaiming the language isn't a common Irish goal.

I have no problem with learning about other cultures, but they might as well learn about all northern Germanic cultures, and then African ones, because by the same concept they originally came from those places as well. Yet, I don't see the "Irish" Americans doing much of that, I see them fucking about on St Patrick's Day, claiming patriotism for a country as far removed from their own culture as any European country.

 

[370999]

If it makes you happy, yes

Actually most of the people here meet your "requirements".

Yes, all of the "I'm a third" or "My grandfather was 100%" makes them all Irish.

Most of the people here aren't, and the folk from new world countries seem to have some sort of inherited patriotism for a place they have never been to. I laid out fair criteria, it could be said that you're only Irish if you're born and raised there. People need to be satisfied with who they are, and if we're lucky, ignore this ridiculous "pride" in a political measurement.

I'm pretty sure these people are claiming ethnicity by being of Irish decent. Their not claiming nationality and if they have an interest in the culture of their ancestors whats the problem with that? Also, If your saying that Irish Americans have lost rights to Irish culture because of their ancestors acclamation to another dominate culture you might want to ask yourself why out of the native Irish only something like 15% of them speak their own language.

I'd imagine 300 years of British rule largely put an end to native Irish speakers, and unlike the Welsh, reclaiming the language isn't a common Irish goal.

I have no problem with learning about other cultures, but they might as well learn about all northern Germanic cultures, and then African ones, because by the same concept they originally came from those places as well. Yet, I don't see the "Irish" Americans doing much of that, I see them fucking about on St Patrick's Day, claiming patriotism for a country as far removed from their own culture as any European country.

It's a common government goal at great expense to the Irish tax payer bbut I am in a minority in my hatred of that language.

Yeah I am Irish. As nationalities go it seems a good pick to myself.

 

[KoalaKid]

If it makes you happy, yes

Actually most of the people here meet your "requirements".

Yes, all of the "I'm a third" or "My grandfather was 100%" makes them all Irish.

Most of the people here aren't, and the folk from new world countries seem to have some sort of inherited patriotism for a place they have never been to. I laid out fair criteria, it could be said that you're only Irish if you're born and raised there. People need to be satisfied with who they are, and if we're lucky, ignore this ridiculous "pride" in a political measurement.

I'm pretty sure these people are claiming ethnicity by being of Irish decent. Their not claiming nationality and if they have an interest in the culture of their ancestors whats the problem with that? Also, If your saying that Irish Americans have lost rights to Irish culture because of their ancestors acclamation to another dominate culture you might want to ask yourself why out of the native Irish only something like 15% of them speak their own language.

I'd imagine 300 years of British rule largely put an end to native Irish speakers, and unlike the Welsh, reclaiming the language isn't a common Irish goal.

I have no problem with learning about other cultures, but they might as well learn about all northern Germanic cultures, and then African ones, because by the same concept they originally came from those places as well. Yet, I don't see the "Irish" Americans doing much of that, I see them fucking about on St Patrick's Day, claiming patriotism for a country as far removed from their own culture as any European country.

...they do learn about all the northern Germanic cultures, and the African ones. That's why at my college we have what's called "cultural studies" which include African studies, German studies, etc. Its also why my city has international days in the park where learning centers are set up to teach people about different cultures, why conventions are held for Americans of all ethnicity where they can reconnect to the people or culture they descend from, and its why you have Americans that study Celtic music or the music of whatever people they descend from. I could go on with many other examples if you'd like

 

[Verlander]

If it makes you happy, yes

Actually most of the people here meet your "requirements".

Yes, all of the "I'm a third" or "My grandfather was 100%" makes them all Irish.

Most of the people here aren't, and the folk from new world countries seem to have some sort of inherited patriotism for a place they have never been to. I laid out fair criteria, it could be said that you're only Irish if you're born and raised there. People need to be satisfied with who they are, and if we're lucky, ignore this ridiculous "pride" in a political measurement.

I'm pretty sure these people are claiming ethnicity by being of Irish decent. Their not claiming nationality and if they have an interest in the culture of their ancestors whats the problem with that? Also, If your saying that Irish Americans have lost rights to Irish culture because of their ancestors acclamation to another dominate culture you might want to ask yourself why out of the native Irish only something like 15% of them speak their own language.

I'd imagine 300 years of British rule largely put an end to native Irish speakers, and unlike the Welsh, reclaiming the language isn't a common Irish goal.

I have no problem with learning about other cultures, but they might as well learn about all northern Germanic cultures, and then African ones, because by the same concept they originally came from those places as well. Yet, I don't see the "Irish" Americans doing much of that, I see them fucking about on St Patrick's Day, claiming patriotism for a country as far removed from their own culture as any European country.

...they do learn about all the northern Germanic cultures, and the African ones. That's why at my college we have what's called "cultural studies" which include African studies, German studies, etc. Its also why my city has international days in the park where learning centers are set up to teach people about different cultures, why conventions are held for Americans of all ethnicity where they can reconnect to the people or culture they descend from, and its why you have Americans that study Celtic music or the music of whatever people they descend from. I could go on with many other examples if you'd like

Do they stand up and proudly exclaim that they are african-northern european-germanic-celtic-irish americans? Or dot hey go around exclaiming that they are Irish, when they are in fact American. It's a different culture, and they are not Irish. I got taught about Japanese history, but that don't make me one of them.

It's a common government goal at great expense to the Irish tax payer bbut I am in a minority in my hatred of that language.

Yeah I am Irish. As nationalities go it seems a good pick to myself.

My bad, I stand corrected

 

[ace_of_something]

I think I'm unique in that I'm a Caucasian american with absolutely no Irish whatsoever. (or if there is any it's before 1700's) Particularly in the midwest.

 

[flare100]

Yup, Dublin born.

 

[WorldCritic]

I don't know how much exactly, but I'm more Irish than anything else, with the possible exception of German.

 

[The-Epicly-Named-Man]

I'd imagine 300 years of British rule largely put an end to native Irish speakers, and unlike the Welsh, reclaiming the language isn't a common Irish goal.

It's not dead yet (10 years of all Irish education here), but it's definitely stagnating. Very little about the language has changed since the introduction of standardised spelling and the Roman alphabet except the inclusion of English words with slightly different endings, which is very worrying. Really there's only two solutions if we want to keep the language alive; turn every school into a Gaelscoil, or drastically improve the methods with which it's being taught. Really, when people can go through 14 years of Irish without picking up even the basics and learn French in 6 years, you know somethings really wrong.

 

[Verlander]

I'd imagine 300 years of British rule largely put an end to native Irish speakers, and unlike the Welsh, reclaiming the language isn't a common Irish goal.

It's not dead yet (10 years of all Irish education here), but it's definitely stagnating. Very little about the language has changed since the introduction of standardised spelling and the Roman alphabet except the inclusion of English words with slightly different endings, which is very worrying. Really there's only two solutions if we want to keep the language alive; turn every school into a Gaelscoil, or drastically improve the methods with which it's being taught. Really, when people can go through 14 years of Irish without picking up even the basics and learn French in 6 years, you know somethings really wrong.

Do they do what the Welsh do, and basically have everything written in both languages? That might help, although Welsh is still a dying language. It really doesn't help that English is such a lingua franca...

 

[KoalaKid]

If it makes you happy, yes

Actually most of the people here meet your "requirements".

Yes, all of the "I'm a third" or "My grandfather was 100%" makes them all Irish.

Most of the people here aren't, and the folk from new world countries seem to have some sort of inherited patriotism for a place they have never been to. I laid out fair criteria, it could be said that you're only Irish if you're born and raised there. People need to be satisfied with who they are, and if we're lucky, ignore this ridiculous "pride" in a political measurement.

I'm pretty sure these people are claiming ethnicity by being of Irish decent. Their not claiming nationality and if they have an interest in the culture of their ancestors whats the problem with that? Also, If your saying that Irish Americans have lost rights to Irish culture because of their ancestors acclamation to another dominate culture you might want to ask yourself why out of the native Irish only something like 15% of them speak their own language.

I'd imagine 300 years of British rule largely put an end to native Irish speakers, and unlike the Welsh, reclaiming the language isn't a common Irish goal.

I have no problem with learning about other cultures, but they might as well learn about all northern Germanic cultures, and then African ones, because by the same concept they originally came from those places as well. Yet, I don't see the "Irish" Americans doing much of that, I see them fucking about on St Patrick's Day, claiming patriotism for a country as far removed from their own culture as any European country.

...they do learn about all the northern Germanic cultures, and the African ones. That's why at my college we have what's called "cultural studies" which include African studies, German studies, etc. Its also why my city has international days in the park where learning centers are set up to teach people about different cultures, why conventions are held for Americans of all ethnicity where they can reconnect to the people or culture they descend from, and its why you have Americans that study Celtic music or the music of whatever people they descend from. I could go on with many other examples if you'd like

Do they stand up and proudly exclaim that they are african-northern european-germanic-celtic-irish americans? Or dot hey go around exclaiming that they are Irish, when they are in fact American. It's a different culture, and they are not Irish. I got taught about Japanese history, but that don't make me one of them.

I don't know how else to explain this to you, their not claiming nationality their claiming ethnicity. Their ethnicity is non-negotiable, if they descend from alien, Chinese fruit bat, Scottish kangaroo and they happen to live in the states then they are without question, without compromise, absolutely, inherently an American/alien/Chinese fruit bat/Scottish kangaroo. This fact cannot be refuted, and in a hundred thousand years if Ireland sinks into the ocean and all that ever was or could have been related to that culture disapFUCKINGpears the descendants of those who once resided in Ireland will remain Irish, and not the devil himself could change that. Again their !nationality! is American their !ethnicity! is Irish, so they ARE Irish.

 

[370999]

I'd imagine 300 years of British rule largely put an end to native Irish speakers, and unlike the Welsh, reclaiming the language isn't a common Irish goal.

It's not dead yet (10 years of all Irish education here), but it's definitely stagnating. Very little about the language has changed since the introduction of standardised spelling and the Roman alphabet except the inclusion of English words with slightly different endings, which is very worrying. Really there's only two solutions if we want to keep the language alive; turn every school into a Gaelscoil, or drastically improve the methods with which it's being taught. Really, when people can go through 14 years of Irish without picking up even the basics and learn French in 6 years, you know somethings really wrong.

Do you really think that will work though? As nobody I know ever speaks Irish out of school. It would only have an academic purpose emaning that for the majority of the population once they are over 18 they would never speak it again. It seems to me we can make Irish into a less useful Latin or we can let it go.

No suprises as to my side.