Iron Fist: Marvel's first legitimate critical failure

[Godzillarich(aka tf2godz)]

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/marvel_s_iron_fist/s01/

http://www.metacritic.com/tv/marvels-iron-fist

The first reviews for iron fist are in and it's not looking good. There have been plenty of mediocre marvel movies like Iron Man 2 or Thor 2 but I think this is the first one critics are actively hating.

What do you guys think of this news?

edit: Forgot to mention this is only the first six episodes so It could bounce back but it's not looking likely

 

[Saelune]

It didnt even come out yet, and plus Iron Fist is well, at that line of "Who?" for alot of people. And he is probably better as a supporting hero. A Heroes for Hire series would be better, or adding him (and Luke Cage) to Captain America's New Avengers.

He is the Hawkeye of the Netflix group.

Edit: I also like him in the Spider-Man cartoon, but he is same age as Peter in that.

 

[Queen Michael]

Even if it does bounce back, six bad episodes are six bad episodes. Gotta admit that I never held too high hopes for this one. I'll still watch it, but it'll take a while. And I usually take at least a month for a season of shows I actually like.

 

[Zontar]

At first I was panicking with that title, then I saw the outlets these critics are from and I'm reminded why the two sites are considered trash to begin with.

I'll wait for the actual critics to review it.

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

The bad reviews aren't going to stop me from watching it. I'm not a huge Iron Fist fan to begin with, and all I'm really looking for here are some decent fight scenes (something Luke Cage was sorely missing). I guess I'll judge for myself whether it's good after I watch it.

At worst, 4/5 ain't a bad track record going into The Defenders.

 

[FalloutJack]

Well, since you've made me aware of something that I didn't know was there before, you may have inadvertently made 'cult status' possible just by pointing it out.

 

[Zhukov]

I dismissed it as soon as I saw the main guy looking like a stoner who does karate kicks in front of the bathroom mirror.

I like Marvel's movies well enough but their TV stuff never grabbed me. The only good parts of Daredevil were Frank Castle and sometimes Kingpin. Jessica Jones fluctuated wildly in quality. Couldn't even be bothered finishing Luke Cage.

 

[Bob_McMillan]

I'll still watch it, if only to have something to watch while exercising.

Besides, from what I hear, it's not amazing, but it's still as good as the CW shows, which I enjoy well enough.

 

[Godzillarich(aka tf2godz)]

Need I remind you that Jessica Jones and Luke Cage are both 90%+ on RT for some reason? So is the problem that Iron Fist managed to be scored accurately by accident?

If one of the major complaints is that the guy who does kung-fu is white, I'll piss myself.

Edit: Well, 7/12 of the rotten scores don't mention, or only give lip service to 'white guy in asia' being a part of the plot without condemnation, so no need to let go of myself yet.

Complaints are usually:
Boring (read, style, fights, visuals)
Poor acting
Poor writing
White guy is played by white guy

Doctor Strange and Iron man 3 had similar race Controversies and they were reviewed well. I don't mind he's white (The original guy was white in the comics so this is not a case of whitewashing) but they could've gotten an actor who knows kung fu. From what I've heard Finn Jones knew nothing of kung fu and he isn't in a costume most of the time so It's harder to use Stunt double(That could explain how the action scenes are poorer then other Marvel productions). How hard can it be to find an Actor who know's kung fu?

 

[Zen Bard]

Complaints are usually:
Boring (read, style, fights, visuals)
Poor acting
Poor writing
White guy is played by white guy

From what I've seen, three out of those four are legitimate. For a show about a Martial Arts master, the fight scenes are just horribly choreographed,staged and filmed. Maybe I'm spoiled by the visceral combat in Daredevil, but that just set the bar.

Danny Rand's character is kind of annoying and the dialogue seems stilted (although admittedly, I've only seen about a 10 minute teaser).

I'm okay with the white guy being a martial arts master. I've been training in Kung Fu for several years. And while my Sifu is from mainland China, half the class is white while the rest are a fairly diverse group of ethnicities. So yeah...one does not need to be Asian to practice Kung Fu.

but they could've gotten an actor who knows kung fu. From what I've heard Finn Jones knew nothing of kung fu and he isn't in a costume most of the time so It's harder to use Stunt double(That could explain how the action scenes are poorer then other Marvel productions). How hard can it be to find an Actor who know's kung fu?

I don't think they needed an actor who knows Kung Fu (although that would have added an authenticity to the role). They just needed someone more physical. Charlie Cox does a lot of his own stunts on Daredevil, though I don't know if that's how he chose to approach the role or if the producers made that decision.

Maybe they could have sent Finn Jones to John Wick Stunt School or something...

 

[Redryhno]

At first I was panicking with that title, then I saw the outlets these critics are from and I'm reminded why the two sites are considered trash to begin with.

I'll wait for the actual critics to review it.

Yeah seriously, when the cutoff quotes assembled are pretty much all some manner of "despite previous Netflix successes because diversity, Iron Fist fails because white guy", I have trouble wanting ot take the rest of the review seriously. Think I'll wait for the series to launch first.

I'll admit I don't know all that much about the guy beyond him sorta being an amalgamation of alot of older Radio stories, but I at least knew about the guy before Jessica "I had 12 episodes to tell a 5 episode story and routinely had scenes stolen by superior characters and actors" Jones. Like fuck, how the hell do they make Nuke a character with more brains and sense than the heroines?

 

[Saelune]

If people have a problem with the -character- being white, fine, but he has been white since 1974. If you have a problem with him being white in the show...its called accuracy. Something the new Spider-Man needs to learn, since apparently Peter is the only white kid there.

 

[thebobmaster_v1legacy]

If people have a problem with the -character- being white, fine, but he has been white since 1974. If you have a problem with him being white in the show...its called accuracy. Something the new Spider-Man needs to learn, since apparently Peter is the only white kid there.

A bit off-topic, but Peter Parker is going to high school in New York. I'd say the realism of having more of a mixed racial group offsets the "accuracy" of the comic having only white kids by more than a fair share.

 

[Saelune]

If people have a problem with the -character- being white, fine, but he has been white since 1974. If you have a problem with him being white in the show...its called accuracy. Something the new Spider-Man needs to learn, since apparently Peter is the only white kid there.

A bit off-topic, but Peter Parker is going to high school in New York. I'd say the realism of having more of a mixed racial group offsets the "accuracy" of the comic having only white kids by more than a fair share.

Sure, that is fair, and I would expect that, but Flash...that is not Flash. Hes not even taller than Peter! And I made it clear my issues with 'MJ' awhile back.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

It didnt even come out yet, and plus Iron Fist is well, at that line of "Who?" for alot of people. And he is probably better as a supporting hero. A Heroes for Hire series would be better, or adding him (and Luke Cage) to Captain America's New Avengers.

He is the Hawkeye of the Netflix group.

I'm not so sure about that. I'd say Luke Cage was one of those "Who?" characters. Same with Jessica Jones. Both were pretty well received. Hell, we got a Deadpool movie that did well.

Iron Fist seems to have a poor story. Seems like a bland version of Batman's story minus the tools and with Chi powers mixed in. And if the fight scenes suck in a show that's to have martial arts combat, that's a disappointment. That's what made Daredevil so fun to watch, the fight scenes were phenomenal.

 

[Callate]

The first season of Daredevil was good. Jessica Jones was quite good, largely on the strength of the interplay between the villain and the heroine.

The second season of Daredevil managed to make me rather tired of our hero, particularly his propensity for dictating what was and was not acceptable to do while fighting crime in "his city" in between bouts of getting the living crap kicked out of him, his less-morally-encumbered entourage doing most of the heavy lifting, and putting more sympathetic characters in danger.

Luke Cage started out fairly strong and had a charismatic lead, but pretty much jumped the shark when Cottonmouth made his exit and Diamondback took over.

So if Iron Fist isn't a winner, I'm disappointed, but not surprised. This isn't a shock. This is the trend indicated by the curve.

 

[Saelune]

It didnt even come out yet, and plus Iron Fist is well, at that line of "Who?" for alot of people. And he is probably better as a supporting hero. A Heroes for Hire series would be better, or adding him (and Luke Cage) to Captain America's New Avengers.

He is the Hawkeye of the Netflix group.

I'm not so sure about that. I'd say Luke Cage was one of those "Who?" characters. Same with Jessica Jones. Both were pretty well received. Hell, we got a Deadpool movie that did well.

Iron Fist seems to have a poor story. Seems like a bland version of Batman's story minus the tools and with Chi powers mixed in. And if the fight scenes suck in a show that's to have martial arts combat, that's a disappointment. That's what made Daredevil so fun to watch, the fight scenes were phenomenal.

Well, Jessica Jones is definately out there, and I was more weary of her. But I feel Luke Cage and Daredevil can stand on their own better than Iron Fist even in terms of popularity among comic fans.

I mostly just am happy to have Iron Fist in canon. I hope instead of Luke Cage season 2, we get a Heroes for Hire series with Cage and Fist.

 

[Zontar]

Like fuck, how the hell do they make Nuke a character with more brains and sense than the heroines?

You know I find it amazing they found a way to make Nuke actually interesting.

Here's hoping the inevitable DareDevil season 3 is an adaptation of Born Again, because the world needs that Avengers god-like cameo that basically inspired the current movie portrayals of the characters in question.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

"Despite a very good cast and a great origin story, Iron Fist is predictable, a little hammy, and has no real sense of how to tell a cohesive story."

...has anyone else even seen Agents of Shield?!