Iron Man 2 = An awesome sequel!!

[viperthejedi]

Wow I really disagree with you there. Thought Don Cheadle was great in it. The end fight scene with the drones is amazing except Whiplash's end battle is way too short.

I'm afraid my reply is rather long! Sorry.

Spoiler: Glad you kept the reply civil, most newer users see opinions as fact.

OT: The problem with Don Cheadle was the script. It did not suit him. All his lines were poorly written, and this is the guy who made Hotel Rwanda such a epic film. Not only did they write his character into a different person.

Iron man 1: A friend of Tony, who while dissaproving of his actions because it would jepordize his career, is willing to betray his job to keep his friend safe.

Iron Man 2: He is written as a complete asshat. He has a huge fight with Tony for no reason (The film says it's to stop Tony making a drunken fool of himself, but the real reason is because they realised they have too few action sequences) and this results in him betraying him for a suit. Then he ends up working with the obvious villian. His allegance flies all over the shop, and not in a good "General Shepard/Farcry2 Jackel" way. Along with some simply goofy lines this is a huge red mark on Cheadles impressive filmography.

While I'm here, I must say they wrote Paltrow's character much better in this film. She has gone from Miss Exposition for the little, stupid children in the cinema to a actual character. However when she is looking at the beeping self destruct robot at the end (Waiting for our hero to swoop in at the nick of time, no doubt) with that gormless look, that made my day.

On to the battles then.

It was awfully generic. That's a hard thing to write as generic is such a widely used term nowdays. Generic is now generic. What I'm getting at is that there was no real variety, I could tell that the giant globe was going to kill a couple of the Air Force robots when they were introduced - it was easy to guess the "Chekovs". Whether that's because I read Tv Tropes religiously, I don't know.

The heart of the problem is that there was no fear of danger during the battles. After Nick Fury introduced himself and you realise that Iron Man is a huge money sponge, I figured that Iron Man will never die. And now you have War Machine, a fan favorite (for obvious reasons) and as such the ability to never die. War Machine could easily be adapted as a direct to DVD film if they needed.

There was no threat to our characters - even if they lost what happens? They die and some prat gets a defense contract.
Compare to the first film.
They die and some megalomaniac with the ambition of god himself destroys everyone you know and care for and takes over the world with technology that is years ahead of its time.
That is a threat. "Justin Hammer[footnote]Honestly, the writers were crap. Who would think that is suitable villian name?![/footnote]" is not.

Lastly, I agree. Mr Whipfist was a anti-climax. I mean, fucking Dr Doom lasted longer.

lol yep your reply is long. All good.

I don't disagree with much of what you said. In fact you're pretty much spot on but I just think you might be a bit harsh and maybe were expecting too much. It is just a comic book movie/popcorn movie after all.

Besides the short end battle and all the avenger nods throughout the movie I didn't really have a problem with the rest. Yes it wasn't as good as the first movie but not many sequels are. But compared to many other sequels or movies out there lately or forever, it's a pretty darn fun flick.

 

[Samurai Goomba]

Wow. That's totally lame.

For more detail, I have just written a rather long reply to someone who disagreed.

If you wish to know more why I hated this film, read post #89.

Beware, as spoilers lurk there.

I shall. But as you pointed out, without a genuine threat of something bad happening fomenting into conflict between characters we like (or at least feel strong emotions towards), any film will ultimately be dry and unengaging.

The original Iron Man gives us a reason to like Tony (he's a genuinely funny guy), and throws him into a life-and-death hostage situation early on. Even when he gets out of that bad place, we can see an inevitable confrontation coming. The conflict in the original Iron Man is life-or-death, kill or be killed stuff. In fact, that little bit at the end with the glowing pacemaker/power supply affecting his battle with the big bad probably makes that fight one of the most compelling in superhero movie history. It's a lot more than just two superpowered idiots pounding each other with everything they have.

Of course, even with all the praise I've lavished on it, the original Iron Man was little more than an extremely high-quality popcorn flick. It's just that most superhero movies downright suck, so Iron Man shines by comparison.

I'm off to go read about how they messed all this stuff up.

Edit: WOW, that sounds so crappy. I'll still probably see it, but Stark worried about dying? 90% OF THE ORIGINAL IRON MAN IS STARK LIVING UNDER CONSTANT THREAT OF DEATH! He seemed able to cope with this problem pretty well in that movie, to the point where he could design a new Iron Man suit, visit parties, drive fast sports cars, test experimental suit pieces, fly, dogfight with jet fighters, undergo impromptu surgery, crawl across a floor moments away from death, go to press conferences and eat hamburgers. ALL OF THIS while knowing that if at any point his chest device ever malfunctioned, he'd be dead quite quickly.

 

[MetaKnight19]

I'm considering going to see it, but the first movie was a dissapointment to me. So if I do go and see it I would hope its better than the first, having said that the trailers do make this look good

 

[EgoDeusEst]

Saw it last friday. Twas awesome.

Spoiler: Spoiler-ific!

Doesn't the after-credits scene mean that Civil War will start soon?

 

[Hollock]

I'll probably see it, it has Samuel L. Jackson playing himself, sold. Why did that sell me? Really?

Spoiler

he's a

 

[viperthejedi]

Yes it wasn't as good as the first movie but not many sequels are. But compared to many other sequels or movies out there lately or forever, it's a pretty darn fun flick.

I sort of agree with you there.

Sorry for the large rant, then subsquent moaning with Hubs below it.

After all, it kept me in the cinema!

Don't worry about the rant mate.. Good to see you're passionate about it. As you said too, it kept us all in the cinema and that's all Marvel Studios care about hey.

 

[viperthejedi]

Is this out today for the Yanks? Today being 7th May here in Aus.

 

[viperthejedi]

Movie Bob's review. Pretty damn spot on:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/escape-to-the-movies/1691-Iron-Man-2

 

[JSR]

It was worse than dark shite all just camp referances nd pointless shit.

 

[viperthejedi]

It was worse than dark shite all just camp referances nd pointless shit.

Didn't enjoy it at all?

 

[JSR]

It was worse than dark shite all just camp referances nd pointless shit.

Didn't enjoy it at all?

Nah nd i thought da 1st in was gd.

 

[xDarc]

Saw this last night and it was great. The new villians were great and the action was just as good as the first. RDJ delivers yet again.

Anyone else seen this or are going to see it?

I saw it and like many other people, the middle felt random, boring and poorly constructed. Very disappointed with the ending also but I won't go into it. When you see it, it will be obvious.

 

[Hollock]

I didn't really like it. Not trying to rain on anyone's parade, but I was never got into it, and was just annoyed.

Spoiler: hiding the hate

1. The villians were'nt threatening in the least bit. Hammer was a joke, and whiplash was his sidekick (who fought iron man for all of 2:00)
2. They used waay too much foreshadowing so I could guess the entire plot in the first 20:00.
3. None of the side characters (with maybe one) exception had a personality, or anything to do.

And what's actually funny is the one thing that bugged me going in (replacing Rhodes) was probably the best thing they did because his scenes were the only ones I really liked. Go see it anyways you'll probably like it, I didn't really love the first one to clear things up.

 

[Laughing Man]

Iron Man 2 = An awesome sequel!!

Simple answer NO! Too little action, too much dialogue, a story that is contradictory to the events and history set up in the first film and a high number of WTF moments that by themself make no real sense. The film at best is very average.

 

[RheynbowDash]

Saw it last night, and the post credits:

OH MY FREAKING GOD!

This is actually gonna happen!!!

Overall i liked the movie. Oh and Scar-Jo in a skintight body stocking helps too.

 

[Sonicron]

I'll just quote myself from Bob's comments section:

I must be one of the few people who were disappointed. I went to see Iron Man 2 less than 24 hours ago, and... well...

The character development felt awkward and stilted in many places, the character of Justin Hammer must be one of the most brain-liquifyingly annoying people I've ever witnessed in a movie, Scarlet Johannsen (or however you spell that) managed to cement my conviction that merely looking good just doesn't cut it when you're trying to bring a comicbook character to life, there were some horribly dull lengths during the middle (seriously, cutting away about 20-25 minutes would have improved the movie), the interesting (and in some places really fun) bad guy got the short straw regarding well-used screentime, and they managed the impossible by not making Nick Fury - played by Samuel L. Bad Mutherfucker Jackson - look cool.

The movie did have its strengths, too, with solid action, an aforementioned altogether more interesting villain, some juicy tidbits for the fans (like the suitcase) and, of course, the introduction of War Machine... but these bits were in the minority, and the drastic decrease in levity didn't help the main character either, even though I understand that it was pivotal to the new plot.

Maybe this is one of those movies that get more enjoyable the second or third time around, but for now - and let me state that this, just like everything else in this post, is my humble opinion - I can't help but feel that Iron Man 2 reached for the extremely highly-set bar raised by its predecessor, fumbled spectacularly and broke at least one of its armored feet upon landing.

I've been thinking about it some more today, and I can't help coming to the same conclusion. Not a bad movie by itself, but not a good one, either, and compared to the first movie it's a flaming wreckage.

 

[slimeonline]

should be awesome
will watch tomorrow

 

[Danpascooch]

It was very entertaining, but it annoyed me to hell that Terrence Howard was replaced by some crappy actor that brought no personality to the role, Rhodey was a very close second to my favorite character in the first movie (just behind Stark himself), you could just see how good friends him and Tony were, with moments like right after he was saved, the first thing Rhodey said was "How was the FunV?" and they hugged. Where as in this movie, the biggest show of friendship Rhodey offers was basically "Sorry bro, but it was your fault" near the end of the movie.

I know a good amount of the change was writing, but still I thought the new actor was NOTHING compared to Terrence Howard, and having such a big role, it really brought the movie down for me.

NOTE TO DIRECTORS: Black actors are not interchangeable, lol, if there was a problem with his contract, you should have worked it out, because Iron Man 2 needed Terrence Howard.

Also, why wasn't Jeeves talking to Stark while he was in his suit like he did in the first movie? It's a small change, but it annoyed me a bit, I liked the in-suit exchanges between Stark and Jeeves.

Lastly, if you're going to make a movie with a badass, agile, female fighter (Black Widow) how about avoiding the number one ultimate cliche of that role that I see in pretty much every movie and game containing that type of fighter? I am talking about how they always end up putting their thighs around the necks of at least half of the guys they take out, it's ridiculous. Unless of course they are fighting another woman, then they never stick their crotch in their face while fighting them. Lol, it's ridiculous, has anyone noticed this besides me?

 

[CK76]

To me a solid entry on par with first. Tony Stark is just a ton of fun to watch and helps balance out any issues either film had.

Everyone enjoyed themselves, to me it is a good Summer blockbustter.