Iron man 3 and lava super soldiers

[ZippyDSMlee]

Just saw Iron man 3 last night..... is it me or would ten "magic" rings have worked better than lava super soldiers lava super soldiers?

I mean make them high sci fi like Thor and have each ring do a specific thing.

I didn't mind the sub plot with the Mandarin that much I had a harder time dealing with the lava super soldiers.

 

[Link_to_Future]

People keep telling me that Iron Man 3 is the best Iron Man movie ever. While I will agree that it really does have its high points (anything to do with Mandarin, Tony fighting with whatever pieces of his suit he has available) I was really annoyed by lava supersoldiers. I couldn't figure out the mechanics behind them and they were completely invincible until they weren't. The last fight was supposed to be some sort of super spectacle but I was over it about five minutes in.

Iron Man 3 wasn't a bad movie. I'll just take 1 and 2 before it any day.

 

[Erttheking]

I think after the Avengers complaining about the Marvel Cinematic universe being unrealistic is...I wouldn't say an invalid criticism, but it just feels kind of weird that we had a blond guy flying around with a magic hammer and that was ok but this wasn't.

 

[Hero in a half shell]

As I understood it the lava supersoldiers was an actual plotline of the comics, (called Extremis I think) and I didn't really mind because they worked it well into Tony's character development (his obnoxious mistakes of the past coming back to haunt him etc.)

Although because they were a secret threat under the Mandarin they lacked any real development time of their own to be properly established as villians, and I think the end confrontation could have been done a lot better as a series of encounters and gradual battles instead of a single giant clusterbattle of exploding everything against everything else.

 

[TheCommanders]

My biggest problem with them was they didn't seem to be consistent. As you mentioned, they were completely impervious to any and all damage... right up until they had to die as a plot point. It was borderline nonsensical. Also, Memento-Lava-Monster breaths fire at one point, which would have been really useful during his finally showdown with Tony (I don't know, any of the times he was 10 ft away and out of his suit, perhaps?), at which time he forgets about it. Also, it was kind of unclear if they were all able to do that, or it was supposed to be unique to him (because of reasons... obviously).

 

[Gizmo1990]

I was ok with it. What I did not like was how Tony's armor was able to stand upto a god and alien energy weapons but the larva people cut through them like butter.

It makes the armor seem alot less badass.

 

[PsychicTaco115]

I had a bigger problem with Tony building 40+ suits, but the lava people going through them like tissue paper :/

Really, if his bodyguard could survive a close meltdown explosion from one of them, why are the IRON SUITS so damn useless?

 

[Glongpre]

The movie sucked. It is a comedy, who would have thought? Although I thought Guy was a pretty cool villain, they just shouldn't have used Kingsley to take up all the development time. And they shouldn't have called Guy the Mandarin, seriously.

 

[PsychicTaco115]

I think gradually making Tony weaker is a good way to go, as an invincible hero always leads to the Kryptonite/Achilles heel-thing, which always smells like lazy writing to me. You can't have tension when your main character is a god. Also those suits in the movie are more like semi-finished prototypes.

Well, considering the Avengers has a literal god character...

And I agree, having a weakened hero is an interesting take, but I think they went about doing it the wrong way.

And about the suits... Didn't War Machine/Iron Patriot take longer to cut through than the rest of Tony's suits?

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

... why is everyone calling them lava-people? Fire people, sure, but I got no sense of molten rock from any of them.

OT: The power consistency thing was a little wonky, but it served the plot well enough, and when the army of suits showed up at the end, they felt necessary rather than showy, which I appreciated. A nice use of Overwhelming Numbers by a good guy rather than a bad guy for a change.

The fire breath... meh, while it didn't make sense for him not to use it, it also didn't make sense that he COULD use it (being very hot does NOT equal having fire breath - you need fuel to make fire breath) so I was glad to see that really silly plot point get forgotten as quickly as possible.

Anyway, I liked Iron Man 3 as well or better than Iron Man 1 (and I thought Iron Man 2 was fairly dull) so I'd agree with the "best of the trilogy" statement.

Also, gotta say this: I'm eagerly awaiting Thor 2.

 

[ZippyDSMlee]

I thought it was a good movie just not a good Iron man movie. Kinda like the last 2 Batman flicks.

I really do not mind the lava super soldiers but I IMO I thought the 10 SCIENCE! rings would be more...er... pluseable.

I think gradually making Tony weaker is a good way to go, as an invincible hero always leads to the Kryptonite/Achilles heel-thing, which always smells like lazy writing to me. You can't have tension when your main character is a god. Also those suits in the movie are more like semi-finished prototypes.

Well, considering the Avengers has a literal god character...

And I agree, having a weakened hero is an interesting take, but I think they went about doing it the wrong way.

And about the suits... Didn't War Machine/Iron Patriot take longer to cut through than the rest of Tony's suits?

They wanted a functioning suit not an Iron er....forget it >> LOL

 

[Something Amyss]

I think gradually making Tony weaker is a good way to go, as an invincible hero always leads to the Kryptonite/Achilles heel-thing, which always smells like lazy writing to me. You can't have tension when your main character is a god. Also those suits in the movie are more like semi-finished prototypes.

Yes, but what they did was make him weaker "because ponies." Basically, making him weaker solely so he has a weakness, especially if done inconsistently, is just as bad as the Kryptonite scenario.

 

[Cabisco]

it just feels kind of weird that we had a blond guy flying around with a magic hammer and that was ok but this wasn't.

I feel you summed up my feelings perfectly. It seems with superhero movies we have a very strange set of double standards at work, I personally quite liked the whole Mandarin/fire people thing but then again I had no deep seated investment in the comics/games/anything really to do with superhero comics as I was all about Transformers as a kid.

 

[Johnathon Burchett]

Yeah, I wasn't too impressed with the lava-men for my part. They just weren't interesting as opponents. Guy was an okay villain, but felt like a second-stringer to me. I understand the armors being weaker, both from a practical and a symbolic perspective: his PTSD-obsession with preparedness has weakened his armor through tinkering, just as it's weakened him through lack of focus and expending all his energies. My biggest issue, though, has to be with the concept of the shared universe. The villains were threatening the President, making large terrorist strikes on the U.S., and the other Avengers (Thor excepted, obviously) were...doing what, exactly? You mean Col. Fury doesn't care about this sort of thing? Cap wouldn't get involved? The post-credits scene showed that Banner was doing absolutely nothing, he wouldn't have at least looked into the possible death of Tony Stark? Comics can do a shared universe easily; the artist gets paid the same no matter how many Avengers he has to draw. Movies, on the other hand, have to pay the actors, so plot holes are going to crop up more often.

 

[AgentLampshade]

I would totally have preferred the ten sci-fi rings. Easily justified by saying Loki smuggled them out during the Avengers Act and sold them to terrorist organisations [footnote]Because he's Loki. He's out to cause mischief.[/footnote] around the world, granting them more power to take on Iron Man until The Mandarin unites them and takes the rings in one swift betrayal scene.

What follows is the act everyone saw in the trailers. Tony is beaten[footnote]And under no circumstances, does he reveal his home address to a terrorist. For a genius, that was a dumb move.[/footnote], goes to Alaska to find himself or whatever nonsense and [GENERIC FILM IDEAS].

 

[teebeeohh]

I think after the Avengers complaining about the Marvel Cinematic universe being unrealistic is...I wouldn't say an invalid criticism, but it just feels kind of weird that we had a blond guy flying around with a magic hammer and that was ok but this wasn't.

he is an alien with highly advanced technology.
explanation done, we never had that for the fire people, they just get injections and turn to fire. i would have excepted the source of the serum being some kind of regenerating fire alien/mutant/something but we got nothing(i think).
and their power levels being inconsistent is just something that happens in movies, i would have been nice, especially since this is Iron Man, if he developed some weapon or gadget that made them less invincible for a but just in time for the final fight.

 

[Saltyk]

Spoilers ahoy!​

I was okay with it. Up until the very end. When the Lava Men were able to rip the suits apart like so much paper mache (or Radditz if you prefer). I found that a bit hard to swallow. Also, I didn't like them taking the shrapnel out of Tony and apparently curing Pepper of Lava Man syndrome. Though, there was no reason to make her a Lava Man... Lava Woman ..? Lava Person. There was no reason to make Pepper a Lava Person in the first place.

Those were my only real problems with the movie. Beyond that, it was pretty damn good. Tony fighting with just a gauntlet and a boot was awesome. The subplot with the kid was serviceable. The overall plot was pretty good, for what it was. So, yeah, I don't hate the movie. Just have a few nitpicks.

 

[zerragonoss]

I thought their whole deal was they could regenerate any injury, but each time they did they became more and more unstable till the regeneration overloaded. The more sever the injury and the less willpower they had the faster that happened. It still leaves their death times arbitrary but for something like that it is somewhat expected.