Is advancing tech making us more lazy?

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RaikuFA said:
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Personally I never supported the change-over from foot/inertia powered wood and rock cars to these newfangled automatic liquid dinosaur powered death machines! Say what you will about the good ol' days in Bedrock, but we never had a car that could go faster than one footpower per hour!

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Technology has been "making us lazy" since the first hominid realized that a stick was a better back-scratcher than a hand. Socrates famously complained that the newfangled technology called "writing" would cause students' minds to atrophy, since they could just depend on scratches on rock rather than have to go ask "the wise" and then remember their tales. (And, of course, we only know this because Plato wrote it down.) The very purpose of technology is to reduce the necessary work to complete a task.

And it's my experience that many of the people who complain "these people are lazy now" are really just complaining that the world has changed on them.
 

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Inevitably, yes.
However, if being lazy in some ways allows to invest more of that energy into something else, that may just be for the better, it's called progress!

For example, better farming technology made us super lazy about making our own food, which allowed us to invest that time and energy into things like metallurgy instead.
 

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Combustion Kevin said:
Inevitably, yes.
However, if being lazy in some ways allows to invest more of that energy into something else, that may just be for the better, it's called progress!

For example, better farming technology made us super lazy about making our own food, which allowed us to invest that time and energy into things like metallurgy instead.
I don't get this argument.

I mean humans are provably working more hours ... and how is it lazy to have a portion of the population dedicated to sowing crops to, I don't know, slaving over a burger grill for minimum pay that guarantees you'll die poor and can't afford a decent roof over your head? As opposed to farmers prior mechanization only had to really work hard 5 months of the year and all the farm hands could afford a roof, a family, and the necessities of life?

I mean, sure ... the tractor means you as the landowner don't need additional farmhands ... but then again, those farmhands suddenly have to do something else less productive, less necessary, and thus less valued. Like data entry. Not all those farmhands can become engineers, scientists, research aids, etc. Even if they did/could, it would still mean most of them would be out of work in these 'higher duties'...

Autonomous A.I. and automation won't mean everybody can become a computer scientist because technology is about Taylorism, not about the redirection of effort ... but people will still need to eat.

Begging to survive on a street corner, trying to huddle yourself against the cold, is not 'lazy'. There's a reason 30's Australia was considered a time of hardship, not slothfulness.

In Australia, prior the Great War... you being a station hand meant 6 months of hard work until you were roughly 50 and then light duties. The station master would gusrantee you a house for you and your wife and kids. Guarantee you food. Guarantee levity money. Guarantee education of your kids... And you were guaranteed gainful employment, even if injured and your duties needed to be changed.

Just how many jobs will offer that security for menial labour 6 months of the year? What sort of white collar jobs will, also?

I mean there's zero conjecture that Taylorism is making the grand majority of us poorer despite doing the same or greater work volumes. So much so I have made way more money compared to effort investing in the market than I did off the back of 5 years of university education. And I wasn't being paid dreadfully, either, with those two degrees.

But pretending if everyone did what I did wouldn't lead to some societal collapse is dreaming, also. I make money based on people's moods about the market and the interdependent systems of consumption. That consumption will always require human energy that someone can barter for goods. But what happens when the means of production no longer facilitate the human necessity to barter their energies to survive?

Either you give the means of production back to people... or they will be 'lazy' as they die in the cold of Winter in some grimy alleyway somewhere.

No one is really safe from the march of technology. Even all those people who study robotics now. If robotics becomes one of the few means to get ahead, then expect greater competition, bidding lower than you, in that field. Taylorism is to the majority of humanity what FOREX is to anybody without Deutsche Bank supercomputers... a zero sum game of gambling with the value of your labour and eternally diminishing returns on human energy....

Not about making you 'lazy'.
 

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I think the problem isn't so much that it makes us lazy as that it makes us settle for almost-as-good, nearly-there, aw-hell-close-enough.

Someone mentioned spell-check. There are whole web-sites devoted to the errors introduced by the various flavors of AutoCorrect. The Escapist has a front-page article up right now about how you will have "sometime" to get your PC upgraded to play the upcoming Shadow of War (rather than "some time".) I've lost count of the number of errors I've started to see in the work of allegedly professional organizations, organizations that clearly decided that spell-checkers and self-monitoring was enough to allow them to forego a lot of basic proofreading.

Does it really matter, aside from causing a distracting cringing and a small loss of respect from pedants like me? Maybe, maybe not. I could argue that it serves to further the notion of news as a whole as an expendable product, that it contributes to an atmosphere of sloppiness that permits other kind of errors, such as in research, corroboration, and fact-checking. But I would be stretching to make such assumptions with any degree of certainty.

But there's a few million other examples. The "good enough" customer service rep somewhere overseas who barely speaks English, staggering through their branching script of replies and disconnecting you when you ask to talk to someone further up the line. (Assuming you can even get to them through the "good enough" branching electronic voice-tree system that urges you to do your transaction online instead.) The "good enough" tablet that no one within a hundred miles of you knows how to fix when it breaks down (as designed) in two years. Your "good enough" online encyclopedia, freshly amended to reflect the prejudices and preconceptions of its latest volunteer editor.

That's without getting into all the ills that come with social media and automated manufacturing.

I don't mean to sound like an utter Luddite; obviously, I like shiny new technology (I'm guessing most visitors to the site do), and enjoy a lot of its uses. But I can't help but think sometimes that some iterations, some technologies, are not unlike a new wonder-drug that was never fully tested and can now be found in small concentrations is all our drinking water, and by the way, oops.

And then I stop thinking about it, because fortunately technology has also helped me develop the attention span of a goldfish on meth.