Is Anime really more mature than Western cartoons?

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boholikeu

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Meinos Kaen said:
but I've never seen a western counterpart for Hellsing or Berserk! People who do western cartoons do not even THINK about making those kind of cartoons.
Interesting that you should mention that, because people that work in Anime would never think about making the kind of satire we see in South Park.

Also, wasn't the Spawn series similar in tone to Hellsing or Berserk!? I personally never saw it, but I've heard good things about it.
 

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As I guy that has watched a lot of anime and only enjoyed a very, very small portion of it, I can assure everyone that anime is at least as stupid and vacant as Western animation.
 

NeutralDrow

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Because cartoons in Japan are a more respected medium than in the U.S., anime is used far more often, and with a far greater variation of stories, themes, and genres. There certainly are adult-oriented western cartoons, but you'll be hard-pressed to find many that aren't straight comedies/parodies.

Japan and the U.S. both have a stigma of cartoons being primarily a medium for children, but this is only overwhelming in the U.S. (and possibly Europe, which I have no experience with); in Japan, it's more of a pragmatic assessment, given that the majority of anime's targetted television viewers are young children. And even with that assessment, it really only applies to TV anime; OVAs and movies are relatively free of the stigma, because their target audience is the one with their own disposable income.

One could speculate that this has something to do with adaptation, as well. Western comics adapted to cartoons are almost exclusively superhero stories...though admittedly, there are many examples that appeal to both child and adult demographics (Batman: The Animated Series, Teen Titans, Justice League Unlimited, the first X-Men...). Manga, on the other hand, have a far larger and more varied track record. The majority of anime is adapted from comics, and while the majority of TV anime are adapted primarily from shounen series (again, because the target audience is most often children), there really is no overarching genre conformity when it comes to adaptations. This is especially true when you add in movies and OVAs, which have a comparatively large portion of seinen adaptations.

boholikeu said:
Am I the only one that doesn't get why Anime is considered more mature than Western cartoons? Sure, Anime may be more likely to have mature content (gore, sex), but the stories themselves still seem to be pretty shallow and juvenile. Maybe this is just because I live in Japan and I get to see all the cruddy Anime that never even gets torrented on fansub sites, but it just seems to me like the percent of genuinely thought-provoking Anime is roughly the same as what it is with Western cartoons.

Any thoughts? I'd rather not have this thread turn into an Anime bashing thread, but is anyone else as confused as I am with the supposed "maturity" of Anime?
I'm certainly not confused. My experience with "mature" western cartoons has been Batman, X-Men, and Avatar (I rarely watched Sonic AM and never saw Gargoyles, but I assume they belong in the list, too), where my experience with "mature" Japanese cartoons has included far greater numbers.

Yes, when it comes to anime, the countries outside Japan have been largely inured from Sturgeon's Law through the discretion of importers and fansubbers, but that doesn't really change the fact the a large amount of what does get through treats their subjects more seriously than most Western counterparts.
 

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The infamous SCAMola said:
WolfmanNougat said:
The infamous SCAMola said:
You mean: Are japanese cartoons more mature than Western ones?
And the point of this correction was...?
I'm a dick?

Anime just means cartoon, so it's kinda vague. Also, personal reasons.
It doesn't really take a genius to work out what "anime" means, or rather, refers to in common english speech. Idunno, I just got the vibe that you were suggesting that somehow cartoons are never mature, regardless of origin.
 

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pantsoffdanceoff said:
I think it depends from cartoon to cartoon. Some animes are mature and some westerns are mature.
This, some of them take the piss and some have something serious about them, it's the same with everything in the world.
 

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I honestly can't think of more than 5 western cartoons that could be considered adult without being cartoon porn. On the other hand, anime covers areas that western live action movies will only cover because most western animators think cartoons are just for kids.

Western distribution groups ruin almost every anime they touch just to top it all off, because they think anime is supposed to be for kids too.
 
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WolfmanNougat said:
It doesn't really take a genius to work out what "anime" means, or rather, refers to in common english speech. Idunno, I just got the vibe that you were suggesting that somehow cartoons are never mature, regardless of origin.
No, it's just that I have a lot of experience with people who will get all mad and up in your face if you call anime cartoons.

Which is ironic, since it's their attitude that suggests that they think that somehow cartoons are never mature, and also because of the normal japanese usage of the word.
 

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I think its assumed that Anime is more mature because western culture has adult cartoons but ultimately the ratio of mature non animated programs to mature animated programs in the West is more of the former then the latter whereas adult contented animations have always been mainstream in the east. But if you dont think there are decent ones in the west you should check out :The Maxx,Spicy City,Aeon Flux,undergrads and Spawn to name a few.Also, western animated mature cartoons are mostly parody related so we don't count them, like robot chicken or family guy.
 

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Mature in the sense that they ALWAYS have sexual undertones but not so much in some of the story.
 

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Evil Jak said:
Mature in the sense that they ALWAYS have sexual undertones but not so much in some of the story.
I'm trying to remember the sexual undertones in Spirited Away...

uncle-ellis said:
The infamous SCAMola said:
You mean: Are japanese cartoons more mature than Western ones?
/Thread.
/unthread.
 

Nerotharis

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It really depends, I tend to only watch the mature ones and stay clear of the others. But yes there are some that are total shit.
 

Kinguendo

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NeutralDrow said:
Evil Jak said:
Mature in the sense that they ALWAYS have sexual undertones but not so much in some of the story.
I'm trying to remember the sexual undertones in Spirited Away...

uncle-ellis said:
The infamous SCAMola said:
You mean: Are japanese cartoons more mature than Western ones?
/Thread.
/unthread.
There is always some, very subtle maybe, but you will be watching and then for maybe 3 seconds something will happen and you will think "Well... that was inappropriate". XD

I mean come on, even Pokemon had sexual undertones thanks to Brock... dirty bugger. :D
 

Ancientgamer

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Anime has a larger TV penetration in japan than western cartoons have in america. So anime has both kids shows, andmature shows aimed at adults. Whereas america is still in an animation age ghetto, mature themed cartoons are much rarer.

Trust me, it took great effort to make that post N-POV, as just on cartoon network was a cartoon were the focal point of the comedy was, literally, An obese black girl, bent over a shopping cart, farting. That's it. I'm not kidding. I didn't even facepalm, I could only sit there in despair.

Evil Jak said:
NeutralDrow said:
Evil Jak said:
Mature in the sense that they ALWAYS have sexual undertones but not so much in some of the story.
I'm trying to remember the sexual undertones in Spirited Away...

uncle-ellis said:
The infamous SCAMola said:
You mean: Are japanese cartoons more mature than Western ones?
/Thread.
/unthread.
There is always some, very subtle maybe, but you will be watching and then for maybe 3 seconds something will happen and you will think "Well... that was inappropriate". XD

I mean come on, even Pokemon had sexual undertones thanks to Brock... dirty bugger. :D
http://www.videosift.com/video/Ren-and-Stimpy-Saw-a-log

Because western cartoons never had sexual undertones.

Does anyone remember the animaniacs? Geez