Is attempted suicide a crime?
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I saw a woman threatening to jump off a big bridge I have to walk past every day. The police cut off one lane of the road and forced pedestrians to use the other side. There were two of her friends trying to talk her down, many police officers, cars, a van and a fire truck at the scene. She didn't do it (they weren't there when I came back anyway, she either didn't do it or the police are brilliant at cleaning).
Point is, there was a massive fuss about it. In the UK, doctors are allowed to section you (keep you in a mental hospital against your will) if they have reason to believe you are a danger to yourself or others. If you cause as massive of a fuss as this woman I talked about did, then you'll get sectioned and be forced to stay in a mental home until the doctors considered you fit to rejoin society, which really could take either a couple of months or even years in extreme cases. I have never heard of anyone being fined or given jail time or community service for trying to kill themselves, mainly because giving them those duties would cause them to do just that.
Point is, there was a massive fuss about it. In the UK, doctors are allowed to section you (keep you in a mental hospital against your will) if they have reason to believe you are a danger to yourself or others. If you cause as massive of a fuss as this woman I talked about did, then you'll get sectioned and be forced to stay in a mental home until the doctors considered you fit to rejoin society, which really could take either a couple of months or even years in extreme cases. I have never heard of anyone being fined or given jail time or community service for trying to kill themselves, mainly because giving them those duties would cause them to do just that.
Not in my country (England), though Assisted suicide is still unfortunately illegal. One day we will progress forward past the bullshit Religion has shackled us with and people can die with dignity.
Oh god I know what you mean! I was dumb enough to ask a teacher in the fifth grade about death and next thing I know I'm in the nuthouse and using the chip system with everyone claiming I'm suicidal.requisitename said:
I think it was really moronic that no one seemed to notice that I was the only sane kid, or the fact that the question that got me there was about a Calvin and Hobbes strip.
Dunno how it is in the rest of the world. But in the Netherlands you can be forced to go into an institution if you're a danger for your environment or yourself. So maybe it isn't a crime, but you can still be locked away for it.
Also ought to depend on the methode of the attempted suicide. Those who jump before trains and stuff ought to be put down in the most painfull way imaginable.
Also ought to depend on the methode of the attempted suicide. Those who jump before trains and stuff ought to be put down in the most painfull way imaginable.
Anti-suicide (and quite specifically Anti-assisted suicide) laws developed from the religious belief that only God can decide when a life should end.AnarchistFish said:
I think where it's a crime, it's a crime in the following sense: it's something people agree is something one shouldn't be doing, to such a degree that state institutions are allowed or even forced sometimes to take action to stop the person attempting.
I would imagine that the 'punishment' in this case would usually be something like court ordered therapy or similar rather than more traditional fines or jail time.
I think the rationale for this is that in too many cases, someone commits suicide thinking things are terrible when they really aren't bad enough to warrant suicide, and as such the default is assumed to be that anyone who attempts isn't in the right state of mind to make the decision.
That is crime as distinct from something morally wrong.
Whether it's really amoral is a different question entirely, and to me depends on cost benefit: does the person and those around them truly benefit from the person's death? Or does is actually cause more harm?
I would imagine that the 'punishment' in this case would usually be something like court ordered therapy or similar rather than more traditional fines or jail time.
I think the rationale for this is that in too many cases, someone commits suicide thinking things are terrible when they really aren't bad enough to warrant suicide, and as such the default is assumed to be that anyone who attempts isn't in the right state of mind to make the decision.
That is crime as distinct from something morally wrong.
Whether it's really amoral is a different question entirely, and to me depends on cost benefit: does the person and those around them truly benefit from the person's death? Or does is actually cause more harm?
Suicide is murder in the same way that masturbation is rape. The crime lies in the lack of consent and enforcing your will on someone else's life in a damaging or destructive way.
Suicide is obviously not cool and it would be better if people tried not to do it, but calling it a crime is silly.
Suicide is obviously not cool and it would be better if people tried not to do it, but calling it a crime is silly.
Obviously it depends on where you live, plus it's the only crime you can be arrested for attempting but not committing.
Yes. /thread
But seriously, yeah it is. Not saying it should be, but according to the law (Of at least where I live) it is.
To be honest, I would rather people didn't kill themselves, But I don't see how it is a crime. As long as they don't do it in a way that will harm others, hey. It's their life. /Bad pun/
But seriously, yeah it is. Not saying it should be, but according to the law (Of at least where I live) it is.
To be honest, I would rather people didn't kill themselves, But I don't see how it is a crime. As long as they don't do it in a way that will harm others, hey. It's their life. /Bad pun/
Suicide is a legitimate measure to take in life. Suicide shouldn't be a cause of commiting someone. Self harm sans suicide is reason for psychological evaluation. Suicide achieves something were as cutting doesn't.Zack Alklazaris said: