Is Call of Duty OK for a 4-year-old?

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JoeCool385

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OK, let's start with a meme:


Before you get the pitchforks and torches, let me explain. My four-year-old likes to watch me play video games. Normally, I try to stick with kid-friendly games while he's around; Minecraft, Hearthstone, Epic Mickey, etc. Although, sometimes I'll be playing Call of Duty or Borderlands 2 when he comes in to the room. He's at the age where, if he sees daddy doing something, he wants to try it too. This is how he got into Minecraft (creative mode; he's actually really good at building stuff), and he's become proficient with keyboard-and-mouse navigation (more so than he is at holding a crayon).

Anyways, I'm playing CoD Blops II multiplayer, and he watches me for a bit, then declares it's his turn. I think, OK, this will be funny, and set him up in a private game on Nuketown 2025, with easiest difficulty bots. He figures out both shooting and ADS pretty quickly, although he's not so good at picking out the enemies. I've been trying to explain to him green letters = friend, red letters = bad guy, but generally he relies on me to tell him who to shoot. His aim is pretty good, though. However, mostly he just like to run around and "pop" the cars (shoot at them until they blow up). He thinks that's hilarious.

So anyways, there's this whole "violence" aspect to the game, or something? And something controversial about exposing children to murder? So I figured I'd share this hear to solicit opinions from the internet, because that's totally a great place for getting non-judgmental and polite feedback, right?

Now, before we get into all the reasons why letting a four-year-old play CoD is such a terrible idea, let me just speak in my defense. He's four. He really has no clue about murder, death, guns, violence, etc. In the game, when he gets shot he comes right back, so it's all perfectly "safe" to him. To him, it's not that different from "popping" the villagers or cows or sheep or monsters in Minecraft ("popping" is his general term for killing something, due to the animation in Minecraft, where killing something causes it to bounce into the air, then disappear in a puff). He's simply too young to understand or become desensitized to the violence in the game. Perhaps when he's older and does understand violence, then I'll put the foot down.

I can think of a few objections still, however, and I wanted to solicit people's opinions to see if there may be any other angles to this that I haven't considered. The objections I can think of are:

Objection #1: He may not know about violence or guns yet, but this is how he'll learn. He'll think guns are funny and you come right back to life after being shot. His formative images of bleeding corpses will be in the context of a harmless game, confusing him about how really, truly terrible real violence is.

Objection #2: I may intend to stop him from playing when he becomes old enough to understand, but how will I recognize that point? What if it comes subtly? Also, will he understand why he's no longer allowed to play the game? Wasn't it just harmless fun?

Objection #3: When he starts Kindergarten next year, I don't want to be That Parent. You know "No, Johnny, you can't play with that little boy; his parents let him play those murder-simulators and he runs around pretending to be killing people with guns!" (He does do this now: holds his toy sword like an assault rifle and pretends to shoot it, then falls over dead; his two-year-old brother has also picked up on that, too, and they pretend to shoot and kill each other.) Honestly, if you found out that one of the other kids in your child's Kindergarten class plays CoD, what would you think of his parents?

So I turn this over to you, dear internet, to tell me why I'm such a terrible parent, should have my parenting license revoked, my children taken away, and my genitals cut off. Or tell me how awesome I am, how my son will be grow up to be totally normal and well adjusted, will understand the difference between games and real life, how my objections are overblown and I'm being a worrywart, and give me a pat on the back. I'm interested in opinions of parents and non-parents alike.

Also on-topic for this thread: comments about how the typical CoD player has the intellectual maturity level of a four-year-old.

TL;DR: Would you let a four-year-old play Call of Duty?
 

AWAR

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I'd have to agree with you on kids not understanding violence. I was playing Beneath a Steel Sky while my 6 year old brother was watching when suddenly a guy gets graphically cut to pieces by a laser. Naturally I got a bit nervous because he saw the whole thing, but he just cheered gleefully thinking that he was just an exploding robot.
Of course I also agree with your objections. I don't think we should expose kids to violence from such a young age
 

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I wouldn't. Childhood is fleeting and should be a time looked back upon fondly. My primary concern is not that you are introducing a child to Call of Duty, but that it would occupy space in an impressionable mind that might otherwise hold something a great deal more imaginative or insightful. You can play a bland and generic first-person shooter filled with black-and-white situations and shallow stereotypes any time you want, but would such an activity to be one of the things you remembered most strongly from your youth?
 

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JoeCool385 said:
I don't think playing against bots is such a bad thing (no gore if I remember correctly?), especially in the manner you describe where you're basically talking him through it.

I'd hesitate to let him play on Live because he probably wouldn't find it fun, and people on mic are often foul.

I'd also not let a kid that young play the campaign because it's rather a lot more unpleasant. Whether it be torturing an NPC, killing wounded people, or the absurd levels of violence (primarily in cutscene funnily enough), I think it's too much for a young kid.
I'd probably let a child play Borderlands before COD campaign, because at least Borderlands is tongue in cheek and obviously absurd, whereas COD masquerades as serious in spite of all of the rambo-JackBauer-hawkish-give-your-son's-life-as-well bollocks. He will inevitably and naturally find out about violence, but it's probably better than he does so in a gradual and sober manner, rather than his formative experience of it being "I shoved broken glass in that NPCs mouth and I don't really know why".

Why not have him play Halo or even something more tame - it's less violent, and because he isn't at the point where he understands what's going on, he won't miss anything. He can then move into more violent games when and if he wants to, at his own pace. Halo's probably better for a younger audience anyway.
 

Dascylus

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And this gamer parent sighs in frustration.
My 3-year old is the same way, I do something and he wants to do it too so I know what you are dealing with but your approach to solving it is wrong.

Set the boundary now like a smart parent would where you say "No, this is daddys game. Shall we play something else instead?"
It is the same when I want to sit on the balcony and have a smoke, my son understands that he's not supposed to come out there with me.
Let him understand that there are some things that grown ups enjoy that kids are restricted from.

As for letting him watch and whether violence can negatively impact their development? That's up to you as a parent to decide. You are the one responsible for his/her development and how they will interact with others in their life. It is your job to teach them how they should react and behave in the real world and towards others. Your job and nobody elses.

BUT, my personal opinion, the opinion of alot (I believe the majority of) other gaming parents, your local games ratings board and anyone else with more than two brain cells to rub together is...

"NO, Call of Duty is not suitable for a 4-year old."

My own personal footnote on top of that... "Are you fucking kidding? You've been left responsible for another human being?"

I could elaborate more but I think you already see my point.
Good luck.
 

Flutterguy

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This is a bad idea. Be honest, gaming is not a good hobby to pick up. All children are fascinated by technology and rightly so, it is by comparison to the majority of things in life incredibly interesting. Gaming is a very consuming and mentally addictive thing. It does not brood intelligence and creativity. If you are not strict enough to make it a priveledge, letting him play all he wants, he will likely develop little interest in any real hobbies.

I was raised by nintendo sega N64 xbox and playstation. My kids won't go through that.
 

Johnny Novgorod

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COD is no good for 4 year-olds. It's a bad, bad, bad idea. It's a violent game. Give him something nice and fun and innocent to play with that will inspire him to lovelier things than shooting.
 

Dascylus

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Flutterguy said:
This is a bad idea. Be honest, gaming is not a good hobby to pick up. All children are fascinated by technology and rightly so, it is by comparison to the majority of things in life incredibly interesting. Gaming is a very consuming and mentally addictive thing. It does not brood intelligence and creativity. If you are not strict enough to make it a priveledge, letting him play all he wants, he will likely develop little interest in any real hobbies.

I was raised by nintendo sega N64 xbox and playstation. My kids won't go through that.
Then I think you've missed all the discussions on gaming in education and how the methods that make games so appealing to children can easily be used to make them interested in math, history, language skills and indeed any part of a childs development.
Demonising games is short sighted in a society where we all have access to high definition personal devices linked virtually 24/7 to the internet and people and businesses are using them to great effect on a daily basis.

Games and technology are as integral to the 21st century as the car was to the 20th or electric power in the 19th. By flat out denying that they have no potential for good you are cutting them off from tools that will be essential to him/her as an adult.

When I was 15 I wanted to study computer science... It caused a big stink in the house at the time, my parents were worried that the class would consist of me just playing games. My fathers immortal quote being "Why waste your time on all that computer stuff, study something that will actually get you a job".
6 years later I took computer science out of necessity.

I'm not advocating just leaving your kids to play whatever games they want, indeed that may also be a very wrong approach but drawing a line through all things game related because you weren't shown their value could be a very false step in your childs development.

My own personal advice? Let your children discover games for themselves, share the experience with their friends. As a parent find a way to share their interest...

You know what, there is a better way to do this...

http://www.penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/not-a-babysitter

Watch that, watch the rest of the series, come back to me and tell me what (if anything) might have changed about your opinions towards gaming after seeing it in a new light.
If you still don't agree then message me and we will start a new forum thread to discuss whether it is possible that games can be a force for good in the education and development of children and young adults.
 

Flutterguy

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Dascylus said:
Snippity snip
This argument has been around a few years now, I know of it. And yes technology is integral to society, technology is arguably the next evolution of mankind, and our planet. And yes I am jaded.

The truth is it comes down to the parents, like the one making this thread. I don't want to come in here spamming links to how shooters help humans make quicker decisions. I don't think that will help this man to limit his sons gaming. I will instead tell him the results I have seen. Addiction to instant gratification. Also I am sure you have all seen a video of a kid getting his console/account taken away, they don't know what to do.
 

Dascylus

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I took my sons toy cars away the other day, he went nuts. But I had told him that throwing them wasn't allowed and he persisted to test boundaries anyway.
Is that to say that he may be addicted to toy cars or just really enjoys them?

So to get back to the original point, COD is not suitable for a 4 year old. If we can argue that shooters have a positive effect on decision making or spacial awareness or whatever it is still a question of the content being clearly too graphic for a child.

I was just responding to the suggestion that exposure to games in general is a negative thing for children.
My son loves cars and has been playing Forza with me, when and if he wants to try a shooter I will fire up a bit of Portal for him.
As a parent it is up to you what is best for your child but as one parent to another I recommend that you do not restrict you child from ALL games if he wants to play them. Just the ones that you find to be inappropriate for the age of your child.
 

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I haven't got any humans of my own to care for, but I do watch after my 9 year of nephew from time to time and I would never let him play something as violent as CoD. Kids just don't understand the true nature of violence and death yet. Their brains haven't developed enough to really understand what it would mean if something like that were happening right in front of them and I know I would never let Luke play something that violent. He sticks with games like Skylanders which have fighting, sure, but it's very stylized and not at all realistic.

As for the argument that shooters and games might boost spatial awareness and the like, there are other far less violent games that could be equally beneficial in that way. That's not to say that all kids would need to play only cartoony things like Skylanders, but there's an enormous number of other games out there that are fun, just as fun as CoD would be, but way less realistic and violent. Just guide them in the direction of less dark games. Kids have enough fucked up influences all around them and their brains are so squishy and malleable, they'll get messed up by the real world in good time. No need to hasten that along with such intense violence in their leisure time.
 

RikuoAmero

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Flutterguy said:
This is a bad idea. Be honest, gaming is not a good hobby to pick up. All children are fascinated by technology and rightly so, it is by comparison to the majority of things in life incredibly interesting. Gaming is a very consuming and mentally addictive thing. It does not brood intelligence and creativity. If you are not strict enough to make it a priveledge, letting him play all he wants, he will likely develop little interest in any real hobbies.

I was raised by nintendo sega N64 xbox and playstation. My kids won't go through that.
Then my friend, you have clearly never seen Minecraft or Terraria. I don't play them myself (sorry, I'm mentally addicted to time consuming games), but every now and again I hear of amazing things done within them. I've heard of someone building a working computer within Minecraft (yes, a computer within a computer that actually computes), I've seen the Enterprise-D, I've seen MIDDLE-F*CKING-EARTH from Tolkien's Lord of the Rings...if that isn't breeding intelligence and creativity, then I don't know what will.

To be fair though, I must ask why you have such a negative attitude towards gaming. If you simply don't care to do it yourself, fine, but why say it's not a good hobby? I don't like to sew, but I don't turn around and say (on a site devoted to sewing no less...why are you here on the Escapist? It's a site devoted mainly to gaming) that sewing is useless. There's great career opportunities to be made in gaming and skills learned in game development can be applied to other areas (such as graphic design or AI programming).

Captcha - Anyone else getting tired of the catpchas now being advertisements?
 

Dascylus

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Ok, let's set this straight...
Kids DO understand violence. It's why it freaks them out so much. They don't understand the reasons behind it. That's where we get the fallacy from.

Gaming does not consist solely of violence and therefore this is not a discussion of whether A game is inappropriate or whether all games (or even a specific genre) are inappropriate.

If you choose to allow your child to play games then it is also your responsiblity to make sure he/she is playing appropriate games for their age. Guidelines are on the box and freely available through ESRB or PEGI websites.

If you choose to ignore those guidelines then there is nothing stopping you, but as one parent to another your child will carry whatever he chooses to learn from his experience for a long time to come.
 

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It's rated 18/M for a reason. Of course it's your call as a every kid is different and all that crap, but the rating boards aren't doing what they do just for fun, and considering your son is 14 years below the recommended age I'd be seriously concerned.
 

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I think that it's YOUR decision. I was allowed to play Splinter Cell (the original) from a very young age (though without guns :D) and I very fondly remember watching my dad playing Half-life. I also used to ask my dad how he was doing in Diablo every night before I went to bed. Video games kind of brought my dad and I together, and if you can do that in a way that won't mess up your kid, I'd say go for it.
 

rutger5000

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Congratulations on becoming a parent, and having to deal with the fact that your child is a person. And there is no surefire way to know how certain stimulia will impact a specific person.
Regardless of what some parentgroups or game producers might like to claim, there is no yes or no answer to the question if violent video games are bad for children. (As is the case of most real live questions)
You as a parent will have to bear the responsibility to figure out if those kinds of games are bad for your child. And you'll have to accept the reality that you very well might make the wrong choice. That'd be unfortunate. But judging from this post you've got the makings of a good parent as you interact with your child, and are worried if you're setting a good example. And as a good parent you're probably always going to doubt if your parenting was the best it could have been. I've seen this in both of mine loving parents and I see this in the way I interacted with my younger cousins (where I took a big brother role).*
That being said, it's of course important that you suprivese your child when it interacts with these kinds of things (almost with all things). Intervere when you think it's going wrong.
I don't think that you should worry about objection 1 or 2, you can adress those when you think they become relevant. If you're worried that he gets the wrong ideas on violence and death, then try to explain these things to him. You have a greater impact on your child then a video game has.
I can see how you would worry about objection 3. That could be a real problem, as there will always be other parents that are insecure about their parenting and need to hide it by critizing that of others. But this is a very culture specific kind of problem, and the way I'd handle that problem in my culture might not a good method in your culture. Though I personally wouldn't be worried about him playing 'soldier' as I would call it. I have fond memories of me doing the same, and I've never been a violent person. And in my culture it wouldn't really lead to exclusion.






*I'd always wrestle with my little cousin and let him try his best to hurt me (I'm really really though, so nothing above the belt would actually hurt), but I'd often stress that he can only do that to me, and he shouldn't do that to other kids. He is now 15 and a bit more agressive then I'd have liked, and perhaps I've been partially responsible for that. I tried to be the best older cousin that I could have been,
 

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I know I'm way late for this posting, but my five year old loves COD. In all honesty, as long as you stay on the bots and custom settings it's really not that violent. It's tamed down similar to Halo in my opinion. He's pretty good, though more often than not he's blowing up cars or jumping into the water on some maps having fun. The only problem I once had was when he and his younger sister were playing with 'swords' (wrapping paper rolls) and he then pretended to point it at her like a gun and shoot her. I hunt, as does my family (though we're safe, to all of those opposed to guns. We live in the Midwest and here everyone knows how to use a gun.) I immediately asked if he pointed guns at other people and he said, "Oh, no. Sorry, mom," and held it down normally. When he asked about the game later pointing guns at people and shooting I just told him that it was a game, and it's wrong to do that in real life. He understood and that was that. Not once had a problem and he's even corrected his sister saying it's wrong to 'point guns at people' if she tried playing guns (she just turned 3) and she eventually stopped. Kids do understand more than you think, and I believe when it comes to games and kids (not gory games. I would never let him play multiplayer on COD or the campaign. Or let him play games such as Left for Dead, Gears of War, etc.) it depends on how you talk to your child at an age level they understand. That's really the key to parenting. If you don't tell them, their friends will. And their friends will have a MUCH different take on it than you will. Besides, I remember back playing cowboy and Indian, pointing pretend guns and firing fake arrows was just a game to kids. Not any indication of being a bad parent.