Is creating a PC version after console exclusivity a practical solution to said exclusivity?

[Rozalia1]

Except it is not the same anymore.

Just say it as it is.
A different game with a similar storyline and the same/almost same name. That is what you get.

It doesn't have all that shrubbery, oh well. It involve Raccoon City? Leon? Umbrella? Survival? Horror? Zombies?

If fluff makes it impossible than you take out the fluff, simple. Fluff is no reason not to port something if you intend to port it.

 

[EXos]

I think for a lot of publishers the PC market is getting more interesting as it seems the Console market is good for an immediate return; Sales are high at launch.
While with the PC it's not as high at launch but it lasts for years (Through sales, active modding community, bundles etc.) it creates a 'steady' cash-flow that can last decades (Look at the success of GoG).

The active steam accounts (Logged in at least once a month) is 76 Million. Any publisher would love to get a share in that and the Digital distribution venues that are available on PC are a big reason why.

 

[Dr. Crawver]

There should only be games made for PC´s and no ports to consols at all!
Now that I have your anger let me explain .
Well to me a consol is totaly obsolet, because it is a PC. In a perfect world we would not have consols! Not because of arian PC-Msterrace, but because a console is just a PC with less functions. I can understand why someone would want that, it´s easy and most of the time it just works. I like that myself, but it´s easy to make a normal PC like that!
But what stops a good port most of the time is just the software. In my eyes it´s just an artificial barrier to secure a part of the market. A PC has all the ports to use yout beloved gaming gear, and it can be small and cheap just like a consol, a still have the same power. If you just want to watch films and play some Games, buy a small PC for less than an Xbone.
Development would take longer of course, a lot more different hardware-options. But that is not the reason why there are consols. I realy hope for the death of consols, that will sadly most likely not happen.
Till that glorious day I will also take a bad port, sometimse mods will fix it.

"Well to me a consol is totaly obsolet[sic]" And there in lies the flaws of your argument. To you it's obsolete. I own a PC and an xbox 360, and I prefer playing games on my console. I still play games on the PC, but to expect company's to change their practices to benefit you at the cost of millions of others, have fun with that because it isn't going to happen any time soon. I get tired at how often gamers forget just how many people play games and how wide the audience is now. No individual is the center of attention, and nor should any of them be.

 

[t00bz]

If you can afford a dedicated gaming rig than a console should be chump change surely (you're listed as USA).

That's so inaccurate that it makes me sick. You can build a dedicated gaming rig for about the same amount of money as a next-gen console. Stop spreading these lies about PC being more expensive that it actually is.

Just calm down and buy a console if you want those exclusives as most of them you'll just not be getting otherwise. Plus if you don't get all you need than it'll funk up your tastes in the long run.

No. No, no, no, no, no. Why the hell should someone drop $400 on a device for a couple of games? That is the most idiotic thing I have ever heard. Also, how the in fuck will it 'funk up' his tastes if he doesn't get to play the 1% of games that won't appear on PC?

For example today survival horror exists more on PC but to someone who played them in their golden age they are simple substandard to me. Had I not a console way back when than I'd either not play SH at all, or I'd god forbid think today's meager offerings as actually being *gasp* excellent.

Okay, what SH games have you played recently? Have you played Outlast or either of the Amnesia games? Or do you just have a massive nostalgia boner for Silent Hill and Biohazard(The latter of which has never really been all that good of a series)?

Your question is odd. In what world would not getting the game at all be in any way superior than a diminished version?
Additionally you have an xbox tag so... why are you even bringing this up?

It's not odd at all. The odd thing are people like you, who get a substandard version of a game(that is more expensive that the PC version btw) and think it's the second coming of Christ. Take a game like Dead Rising 3. I would love to play it, but I'm not going to in it's current state of being locked to 30 fps(which is dreadful garbage) and is so poorly optimized that even when fiddled with and unlocked to 60 fps, it cannot hold a steady frame rate. I would rather not play the game at all than try to play a shit version of it.

 

[El Comandante]

I get tired at how often gamers forget just how many people play games and how wide the audience is now. No individual is the center of attention, and nor should any of them be.

I think you took that post a bit to personal.
I said in a "perfect world", I´m very aware that it will not change. It´s a simple fact that we would only need on platform for gaming, a PC can be modulatet to serve your every needs and still be cheaper, that is a fact. One device would end nearly all exclusiveness (sometimes you would have to buy a controler).
And I´m not only thinking for myself, I´m also thinking for a million people, more so for every gamer ! I,m such an altruist! But I can´t expect a company to change at the cost of millions of dollars.
What I was reffering to is almost a utopia, I don´t want to take anything form the consoleros, Layout and handling can still be the same, just would be nice if i could use the same CD to install a game on any computer. That is not undoable, in the present sadly we are a bunch of gated (gaming) communities. There is howerver a small possibility, don´t buy the next gen ^^!

 

[Vault101]

If fluff makes it impossible than you take out the fluff, simple. Fluff is no reason not to port something if you intend to port it.

or mabye you have to simplyfy the controll scheme and have less ploygons/sprites on screen which would be rather bad for a strategy/realtime strategy game

 

[El Comandante]

I'm sorry, but I'm afraid I disagree there El Comandante (also, do you hate the letter "e" or something? "Obsolete" and "Console" doesn't take much more effort.....)

No I hate english, it´s the language of those dirty consol(e) peasants. Bad jocke aside, I´m just not a native speaker and my english is a bit rusty. I invite you to chat with me in german however. Maybe I can then give yousome helpful corrections .

 

[layne]

I get tired at how often gamers forget just how many people play games and how wide the audience is now. No individual is the center of attention, and nor should any of them be.

I think you took that post a bit to personal.
I said in a "perfect world", I´m very aware that it will not change. It´s a simple fact that we would only need on platform for gaming, a PC can be modulatet to serve your every needs and still be cheaper, that is a fact. One device would end nearly all exclusiveness (sometimes you would have to buy a controler).
And I´m not only thinking for myself, I´m also thinking for a million people, more so for every gamer ! I,m such an altruist! But I can´t expect a company to change at the cost of millions of dollars.
What I was reffering to is almost a utopia, I don´t want to take anything form the consoleros, Layout and handling can still be the same, just would be nice if i could use the same CD to install a game on any computer. That is not undoable, in the present sadly we are a bunch of gated (gaming) communities. There is howerver a small possibility, don´t buy the next gen ^^!

A "perfect world" is not one which ignores the preferences of the people who inhabit it. There are all sorts of gamers and everyone games on their preferred platform(s). There is no "simple fact" of only needing one platform because choice of platform is subjective. You say you don't want to take anything from "consoleros" and then end with "don't buy next gen".

You know, I've always been baffled by this kind of thought pattern. I prefer gaming on console, your prefer PC. I see no reason to try to convince you my choice is superior or better. And I would certainly not postulate on taking away choice for everyone and calling it "almost a utopia".

 

[Alleged_Alec]

Minecraft

Written in Java, which most consoles do not support.

 

[El Comandante]

You know, I've always been baffled by this kind of thought pattern. I prefer gaming on console, your prefer PC. I see no reason to try to convince you my choice is superior or better. And I would certainly not postulate on taking away choice for everyone and calling it "almost a utopia".

I don´t want to convince you of anything. And please don´t get all personal, would you. Every gaming device is a PC, your console is a PC, my laptop can be a console if I want it to be. How you want to play is totaly up to you! I just would like us, to have the choice to play every game we want on one system. Nobody should have to pay more than before, we would have to wait a bit longer maybe, that would be all. It´s all very theoretical.
Where exactly does this ignore the preferences of consoleros (in a longer term)? I don´t think that you don´t like to share and that is your preference.
You see it is realy utopian because we all would have to deny ourselfs some games for a short period of time. Then the consolmaket would be dead, simple as that. Certainly this is totaly oversimplified because some developers would colaps and ip´s could get lost. Also a lot of jobs would be destroyed and other not so nice things. In the end it would probably be the best for the consumer (gamer), because everyone could potentially play everthing with everyone.

 

[layne]

You know, I've always been baffled by this kind of thought pattern. I prefer gaming on console, your prefer PC. I see no reason to try to convince you my choice is superior or better. And I would certainly not postulate on taking away choice for everyone and calling it "almost a utopia".

I don´t want to convince you of anything. And please don´t get all personal, would you. Every gameing device is a PC, your console is a PC, my laptop can be a console if I want it to be. How you want to play is totaly up to you! I just would like us, to have the choice to play every game we want on one system. Nobody should have to pay more than before, we would have to wait a bit longer maybe, that would be all. It´s all very theoretical.
Where exactly does this ignore the preferences of consoleros (in a longer term)? I don´t think that you don´t like to share and that is your preference.
You see it is realy utopian because we all would have to deny ourselfs some games for a short period of time. Then the consolmaket would be dead, simple as that. Of cause this is totaly oversimplified because some developers would colaps and ip´s could get lost. Also a lot of jobs would be destroyed and other not so nice things. In the end it would probably be the best for he consumer (gamer), because everyone could potentially play everthing with everyone.

Okay, I see what you're on about now. Don't worry, I won't "get all personal". It's not really worth it, after all. Have a nice day.

 

[andago]

So do you get a sensation of abusing a hostage when you play a PC exclusive or something?

Alright.

I've seen this "PC Exclusive" thing pop up a few times, and now I have to ask.

How many games that were actually exclusive to PC's were viable on consoles?

Most of these "PC Exclusives" are on PC, because PC is the only platform with the flexibility of control-input required (like DCS A-10C Warthog, which is a 100% simulation, buttons and all of the actual A-10 aircraft. Do you think a console, any console could play DCS on any degree of realism?).

All games on consoles can in theory be played on a PC (now more than ever because you can easily hook up a controller to the PC). I've yet to see a Proper flightsim, or a large scale RTS being played on a Console.

PC exclusives, are mostly exclusive because of hardware, not a business deal.

If fluff makes it impossible than you take out the fluff, simple. Fluff is no reason not to port something if you intend to port it.

or mabye you have to simplyfy the controll scheme and have less ploygons/sprites on screen which would be rather bad for a strategy/realtime strategy game

Interestingly, in the same way you can play games with a controller on pc, playstations at least [https://support.us.playstation.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5087/~/use-keyboard-and-mouse-with-ps4] are completely compatible with keyboard and mouse.

There's no reason you can't plug your pc into a tv and use a controller for the same experience as a console, but equally you could technically use your console as a desktop gaming device with keyboard and mouse so you could always leave the option of the original control scheme

 

[Rozalia1]

Written in Java, which most consoles do not support.

... ... ... You're going need to explain this. What is your point? The punchline?
So Minecraft isn't on consoles?

That's so inaccurate that it makes me sick. You can build a dedicated gaming rig for about the same amount of money as a next-gen console. Stop spreading these lies about PC being more expensive that it actually is.

Did I mention numbers? Nope. The only number I have referred to in this thread was one in reference to a post of someone else.
Now there is an assumption that both of us have made yes. My assumption is when we are talking dedicated gaming we're referring to something with some meat on the bones, yours is...well its obvious to anyone not wrapped up.

No. No, no, no, no, no. Why the hell should someone drop $400 on a device for a couple of games? That is the most idiotic thing I have ever heard. Also, how the in fuck will it 'funk up' his tastes if he doesn't get to play the 1% of games that won't appear on PC?

... ... ... Context. Admittedly the full context is actually in another thread but there is enough here for you to derive the full meaning. Those who didn't experience the console exclusives in the golden era believe all that new age trash is solid gold, that is them having a funked up taste to me. Had I not played those games all those years back I might well be in the nightmare world of actually believing the internet darlings of actually being a coming of a second age.

Okay, what SH games have you played recently? Have you played Outlast or either of the Amnesia games? Or do you just have a massive nostalgia boner for Silent Hill and Biohazard(The latter of which has never really been all that good of a series)?

Yah I have. Silent Hill and Biohazard... yeah I've played them but that alone shows you up.
On that subject I don't have nostalgia for specific games, no. I have love for a certain quality that is absent in today's much celebrated internet darlings. Even often derided games from yesteryear such as Michigan or Clock Tower possess that grand feeling, that idea that makes me want to see more.
Games of today which are often you going down some dark corridors in first person being chased by some lazy creature while holding a flashlight/camera/phone while picking up pointless uninteresting notes...no thanks.

It's not odd at all. The odd thing are people like you, who get a substandard version of a game(that is more expensive that the PC version btw) and think it's the second coming of Christ. Take a game like Dead Rising 3. I would love to play it, but I'm not going to in it's current state of being locked to 30 fps(which is dreadful garbage) and is so poorly optimized that even when fiddled with and unlocked to 60 fps, it cannot hold a steady frame rate. I would rather not play the game at all than try to play a shit version of it.

Like me... Like me? You're really going to be that straightforward rude? You're really going to do this "I'm better than you" routine. Sorry but I've not pledged allegiance to any boxes of metal and plastic. I own every necessary device (outside Microsoft as they provide nothing for me) and play huge amounts of exclusives, many on consoles with names you've never heard of and will never enjoy, never appreciate.
I play many of paradox games on PC and I'm happy doing that additionally, nothing that I enjoy is locked to me. Were Microsoft to start producing exclusives that I'd want and have them as real actual exclusives and not pointless console exclusives than I'd get their device too. I'll not spend my time attacking Microsoft about how they are big meanie heads for making their games exclusives. I'll not start badmouthing the games and saying they are rubbish...no. I'd buy the games and their device and enjoy.
I do not...wait for it...hold myself "hostage" for the sake of a gaming platform.

Your statement of rather not playing the game at all than play something that doesn't have X amount of frames, or X amount of shrubbery, lighting, and so on is all the evidence needed to see what is behind the lines. You're not alone of course as more people than I'd like see that as what is a game, and I respect your right to have that view but that does not mean I will accept it as correct.

I did write more here but I'll not post it as it gets a bit long(er) and while addressing your offensive statement I don't want to come off as offensive myself. Apologies if I misunderstood, or you didn't mean X when you said Y but I can respond to how I see things.

 

[MrFalconfly]

Interestingly, in the same way you can play games with a controller on pc, playstations at least [https://support.us.playstation.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5087/~/use-keyboard-and-mouse-with-ps4] are completely compatible with keyboard and mouse.

There's no reason you can't plug your pc into a tv and use a controller for the same experience as a console, but equally you could technically use your console as a desktop gaming device with keyboard and mouse so you could always leave the option of the original control scheme

Well that's the PS4 then.

Now the question is, are there any games on the PS4 that you can play using said controls?

Because properly typing a web address is all fine and dandy, but if I can't aim with the mouse there's little point in hooking up my mouse and keyboard to the PS4.

And that still doesn't fix the lack of some of the specialized gaming peripherals that's 100% percent available for the PC, but not for the consoles (granted, the PS seems to be well supported, but any XBox owners better check twice before they buy a wheel or a flightstick. Hell I'm not even sure if can even get a proper flightstick for any of the consoles. There was the Ace Edge for AC6 but it had a horrible deadzone, and no Force-Feedback).

 

[andago]

Interestingly, in the same way you can play games with a controller on pc, playstations at least [https://support.us.playstation.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5087/~/use-keyboard-and-mouse-with-ps4] are completely compatible with keyboard and mouse.

There's no reason you can't plug your pc into a tv and use a controller for the same experience as a console, but equally you could technically use your console as a desktop gaming device with keyboard and mouse so you could always leave the option of the original control scheme

Well that's the PS4 then.

Now the question is, are there any games on the PS4 that you can play using said controls?

Because properly typing a web address is all fine and dandy, but if I can't aim with the mouse there's little point in hooking up my mouse and keyboard to the PS4.

And that still doesn't fix the lack of some of the specialized gaming peripherals that's 100% percent available for the PC, but not for the consoles (granted, the PS seems to be well supported, but any XBox owners better check twice before they buy a wheel or a flightstick. Hell I'm not even sure if can even get a proper flightstick for any of the consoles. There was the Ace Edge for AC6 but it had a horrible deadzone, and no Force-Feedback).

and the ps3 [https://support.us.playstation.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/832/~/use-keyboard-or-mouse-with-ps3] and more expensively for the x360 [http://www.amazon.com/XIM3-mouse-keyboard-adapter-360-XBOX360/dp/B004RG5X3M], although that one also lets you use joysticks since you mention it.

EDIT: I agree there are either no or very few games you could use with it, but that is in no way because of the lack of available control methods on console. The main reason people state RTSs don't work on console is because of a lack of keyboard, I'm just pointing out that this shouldn't be the case in the same way people argue racing, fighting and platforming games are fine on PC because of the ability to plug a controller

 

[MrFalconfly]

Interestingly, in the same way you can play games with a controller on pc, playstations at least [https://support.us.playstation.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5087/~/use-keyboard-and-mouse-with-ps4] are completely compatible with keyboard and mouse.

There's no reason you can't plug your pc into a tv and use a controller for the same experience as a console, but equally you could technically use your console as a desktop gaming device with keyboard and mouse so you could always leave the option of the original control scheme

Well that's the PS4 then.

Now the question is, are there any games on the PS4 that you can play using said controls?

Because properly typing a web address is all fine and dandy, but if I can't aim with the mouse there's little point in hooking up my mouse and keyboard to the PS4.

And that still doesn't fix the lack of some of the specialized gaming peripherals that's 100% percent available for the PC, but not for the consoles (granted, the PS seems to be well supported, but any XBox owners better check twice before they buy a wheel or a flightstick. Hell I'm not even sure if can even get a proper flightstick for any of the consoles. There was the Ace Edge for AC6 but it had a horrible deadzone, and no Force-Feedback).

and the ps3 [https://support.us.playstation.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/832/~/use-keyboard-or-mouse-with-ps3] and more expensively for the x360 [http://www.amazon.com/XIM3-mouse-keyboard-adapter-360-XBOX360/dp/B004RG5X3M], although that one also lets you use joysticks since you mention it.

EDIT: I agree there are either no or very few games you could use with it, but that is in no way because of the lack of available control methods on console. The main reason people state RTSs don't work on console is because of a lack of keyboard, I'm just pointing out that this shouldn't be the case in the same way people argue racing, fighting and platforming games are fine on PC because of the ability to plug a controller

Just my luck then.

Thrustmaster A-10C HOTAS isn't supported on neither the PS nor the XBox.

 

[DarkhoIlow]

My thoughts on this are as follows:
-I cannot afford multiple consoles due to my income.
-The cheapest way to play my games is sticking to one.I have been gaming on PC over 15 years and it's my platform of choice (as well as other things than playing games).
- If there is a game that is exclusive to X or Y platform I ignore it until it comes to my platform..simple as that. This way you will never crave exclusives and be forced into buying one console or another (this applies to PC gamers only and brand loyal console gamers).


Conclusion: fuck exclusivity and everything it stands for. It is a cancer overall for the gaming industry and restricting your game to only your platform because "insert reasons here" is stupid. Everyone should enjoy to play your(developer/publishers) games regardless on what platform they are on. Just like how DLC map packs divide the overall userbase so does exclusive games.

Those are my 2 cents.

 

[Rozalia1]

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Just a question mate.
Where do you play all your multi platform games on?

"Those who didn't experience the console exclusives in the golden era believe all that new age trash is solid gold, that is them having a funked up taste to me."

*raises eyebrows*

PS3 would be it if we were going simply by number (it sure ain't going to be a Nintendo console is it). Majority of games I buy are exclusives and the multiplats I play are either given to me for free from PS+, or given as a gift from someone (someone seriously got me Crysis 3 on PS3 as a gift which is just what inducing, thanks man but what the hell). I got Far Cry 3 (hey I didn't get it for myself alright), The Last Remnant, Age of Empires 2, and a couple of other things on the PC but as I can't always be on the PC (and I'm not bothering to game on my laptop to compensate) so any game time on PC is dedicated to the likes of Crusader Kings 2, Victoria 2, Hearts of Iron 3, Europa Universalis 4, Medieval Total war 2, Shogun Total War 2, Dark Crusade you get the picture which are also shockingly...exclusives.

We're talking Survival horror here, hence the mentioning of console exclusives as a great many deal were because you know...PS2.

Conclusion: fuck exclusivity and everything it stands for. It is a cancer overall for the gaming industry and restricting your game to only your platform because "insert reasons here" is stupid. Everyone should enjoy to play your(developer/publishers) games regardless on what platform they are on. Just like how DLC map packs divide the overall userbase so does exclusive games.

Those are my 2 cents.

... ... ... Money. In what world is making more money stupid?
And besides if you are like the others who have made such statements than your state isn't as ideal and honest as you make it out to be.