Is DC's Darkseid a Superman Villain or an Everyone Villain?

[Worgen]

Hes really the big villain of the teen titans and music industry.

 

[MiskWisk]

Like others have said, he's an everyone sort of villain but I believe he often gets paired up with Supes to show how powerful he is.

Hes really the big villain of the teen titans and music industry.

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[DaCosta]

although Darkseid probably won't be popping up personally since that would be the cinematic definition of premature ejaculation.

Isn't the entire DCEU the cinematic definition of premature ejaculation?

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Alright time to ask a BIG question.

Who exactly are these NEW Gods? Who and What were the Old Gods for starters?

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No offense man, but I did not ask for a behind the scenes history I ask for the nerdy in universe lore written in th most epic way possible.

But did appreciate the read.

 

[McMarbles]

Alright time to ask a BIG question.

Who exactly are these NEW Gods? Who and What were the Old Gods for starters?

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No offense man, but I did not ask for a behind the scenes history I ask for the nerdy in universe lore written in th most epic way possible.


But did appreciate the read.

Well, thanks to TvTropes, I have this, which seems sufficiently epic...

"There came a time when the Old Gods died! The brave died with the cunning! The noble perished, locked in battle with the unleashed evil! It was the last day for them! An ancient era was passing in fiery holocaust! The final moment came with the fatal release of the indescribable power ? which tore the home of the Old Gods asunder ? split it in great halves ? and filled the universe with the blinding death-flash of its destruction! In the end there were two giant molten bodies, spinning slow and barren ? clean of all that had gone before ? adrift in the fading sounds of cosmic thunder... Silence closed upon what had happened ? a long, deep silence ? wrapped in massive darkness... it was this way for an age... THEN?THERE WAS NEW LIGHT!"

Anyway, two worlds were born, New Genesis (home of the "good" gods, led by Izaya) and Apokolips (home of the "bad" gods, led by Darkseid). They fought a long war until Izaya made contact with the Source (this predates Star Wars by several years, BTW) and brokered peace, sealing the deal by trading sons. The rest was explained by others already.

 

[Kolby Jack]

And so now, when Zack Snyder says to himself "I've really heavily emphasised these Superman-as-Jesus metaphors in Man of Steel, and I figure we need like, a Satan guy for him to fight, y'know, get real Dante-style in here," the nearest comic book fan produces a copy of New Gods with a quizzical look on his face. And that's how we get to Justice League, although Darkseid probably won't be popping up personally since that would be the cinematic definition of premature ejaculation.

Excellent write-up, though when it comes to your comment about premature ejaculation, I feel like after the death of Superman being wasted so early, that's a very real concern to have.

Basically, in the DC Universe, it doesn't get any bigger than Darkseid. Even the Anti-Monitor can at best be claimed to be an equivalent threat depending on the depth of Darkseid's schemes.

I really hope they stick with the New Gods idea, because I feel like it would neat to have Wonder Woman, last of the of Old Gods, going up against the beings like that. Darkseid especially is a bit more than just an alien conqueror. He is many things.

 

[Cicada 5]

Supes takes it personally because Darkseid can hurt him and will be unrepentent about anything, which is something he can't accept. It's not personal. Darkseid only singles out Superman because he has no intention of letting any being defy him. He's only singled out by him in the sense that everybody else dies or serves.

More like he knew Darkseid would stab them in the back which is exactly what happened in the episode that clip is from.

 

[McMarbles]

Supes takes it personally because Darkseid can hurt him and will be unrepentent about anything, which is something he can't accept. It's not personal. Darkseid only singles out Superman because he has no intention of letting any being defy him. He's only singled out by him in the sense that everybody else dies or serves.

More like he knew Darkseid would stab them in the back which is exactly what happened in the episode that clip is from.

I kinda find Bruce "DARKNESS!! DEAD PARENTS!!!" Wayne telling Superman to "get over it" just a bit hypocritical.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Supes takes it personally because Darkseid can hurt him and will be unrepentent about anything, which is something he can't accept. It's not personal. Darkseid only singles out Superman because he has no intention of letting any being defy him. He's only singled out by him in the sense that everybody else dies or serves.

More like he knew Darkseid would stab them in the back which is exactly what happened in the episode that clip is from.

I kinda find Bruce "DARKNESS!! DEAD PARENTS!!!" Wayne telling Superman to "get over it" just a bit hypocritical.

Can we have a Batman that finally got over his trauma of his parents dying in front of him and moved on?

The whole "Why do you say that name" and "Darkness, No Parents" thing is symptom of larger problem of Batman writing, he cares too much to the point that becomes an annoying charcater flaw and a stupid weakness and people thinks Kryptonite is dumb.

Bruce its been decades already, move on and get a wife, start a family, and think of the future instead of dwelling in the past.

 

[Cicada 5]

Supes takes it personally because Darkseid can hurt him and will be unrepentent about anything, which is something he can't accept. It's not personal. Darkseid only singles out Superman because he has no intention of letting any being defy him. He's only singled out by him in the sense that everybody else dies or serves.

More like he knew Darkseid would stab them in the back which is exactly what happened in the episode that clip is from.

I kinda find Bruce "DARKNESS!! DEAD PARENTS!!!" Wayne telling Superman to "get over it" just a bit hypocritical.

Can we have a Batman that finally got over his trauma of his parents dying in front of him and moved on?

The whole "Why do you say that name" and "Darkness, No Parents" thing is symptom of larger problem of Batman writing, he cares too much to the point that becomes an annoying charcater flaw and a stupid weakness and people thinks Kryptonite is dumb.

Bruce its been decades already, move on and get a wife, start a family, and think of the future instead of dwelling in the past.

Snyder at least played it like an actual flaw unlike most Batman scribes. Hell, he even pointed out that Bruce's obsessive and paranoid nature was a result of a pointless war on crime rather than his default personality.

 

[Kenbo Slice]

Supes takes it personally because Darkseid can hurt him and will be unrepentent about anything, which is something he can't accept. It's not personal. Darkseid only singles out Superman because he has no intention of letting any being defy him. He's only singled out by him in the sense that everybody else dies or serves.

More like he knew Darkseid would stab them in the back which is exactly what happened in the episode that clip is from.

I kinda find Bruce "DARKNESS!! DEAD PARENTS!!!" Wayne telling Superman to "get over it" just a bit hypocritical.

Can we have a Batman that finally got over his trauma of his parents dying in front of him and moved on?

The whole "Why do you say that name" and "Darkness, No Parents" thing is symptom of larger problem of Batman writing, he cares too much to the point that becomes an annoying charcater flaw and a stupid weakness and people thinks Kryptonite is dumb.

Bruce its been decades already, move on and get a wife, start a family, and think of the future instead of dwelling in the past.

He can't because there would be no more Batman, that's the entire driving point of his character.

 

[Kenbo Slice]

Supes takes it personally because Darkseid can hurt him and will be unrepentent about anything, which is something he can't accept. It's not personal. Darkseid only singles out Superman because he has no intention of letting any being defy him. He's only singled out by him in the sense that everybody else dies or serves.

More like he knew Darkseid would stab them in the back which is exactly what happened in the episode that clip is from.

I kinda find Bruce "DARKNESS!! DEAD PARENTS!!!" Wayne telling Superman to "get over it" just a bit hypocritical.

Can we have a Batman that finally got over his trauma of his parents dying in front of him and moved on?

The whole "Why do you say that name" and "Darkness, No Parents" thing is symptom of larger problem of Batman writing, he cares too much to the point that becomes an annoying charcater flaw and a stupid weakness and people thinks Kryptonite is dumb.

Bruce its been decades already, move on and get a wife, start a family, and think of the future instead of dwelling in the past.

Snyder at least played it like an actual flaw unlike most Batman scribes. Hell, he even pointed out that Bruce's obsessive and paranoid nature was a result of a pointless war on crime rather than his default personality.

Too bad Snyder's idea might have been decent, however execution is...lacking.


I legit almost left the theater after that scene. Truly, some of the worst writing I have ever seen.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Supes takes it personally because Darkseid can hurt him and will be unrepentent about anything, which is something he can't accept. It's not personal. Darkseid only singles out Superman because he has no intention of letting any being defy him. He's only singled out by him in the sense that everybody else dies or serves.

More like he knew Darkseid would stab them in the back which is exactly what happened in the episode that clip is from.

I kinda find Bruce "DARKNESS!! DEAD PARENTS!!!" Wayne telling Superman to "get over it" just a bit hypocritical.

Can we have a Batman that finally got over his trauma of his parents dying in front of him and moved on?

The whole "Why do you say that name" and "Darkness, No Parents" thing is symptom of larger problem of Batman writing, he cares too much to the point that becomes an annoying charcater flaw and a stupid weakness and people thinks Kryptonite is dumb.

Bruce its been decades already, move on and get a wife, start a family, and think of the future instead of dwelling in the past.

He can't because there would be no more Batman, that's the entire driving point of his character.

Well in my case its character driving point that has been run into the ground and if anything it makes come off as a baby.

And yes I know the man lost his mother and father to murder I completely understand how horrible that is, but the man has grown up now and is a billionaire Superhero.

Vito Corleone from the Godfather lost all of his family, including seeing his Mother's death and yet he grew up and lived in America, became a Mafia Boss, killed the man who killed his family, and yet he still ended up making a new Family and secure of future for the Corleone name. I don't see Vito still saying "Darkness, No Parents"

 

[Kenbo Slice]

Supes takes it personally because Darkseid can hurt him and will be unrepentent about anything, which is something he can't accept. It's not personal. Darkseid only singles out Superman because he has no intention of letting any being defy him. He's only singled out by him in the sense that everybody else dies or serves.

More like he knew Darkseid would stab them in the back which is exactly what happened in the episode that clip is from.

I kinda find Bruce "DARKNESS!! DEAD PARENTS!!!" Wayne telling Superman to "get over it" just a bit hypocritical.

Can we have a Batman that finally got over his trauma of his parents dying in front of him and moved on?

The whole "Why do you say that name" and "Darkness, No Parents" thing is symptom of larger problem of Batman writing, he cares too much to the point that becomes an annoying charcater flaw and a stupid weakness and people thinks Kryptonite is dumb.

Bruce its been decades already, move on and get a wife, start a family, and think of the future instead of dwelling in the past.

He can't because there would be no more Batman, that's the entire driving point of his character.

Well in my case its character driving point that has been run into the ground and if anything it makes come off as a baby.

And yes I know the man lost his mother and father to murder I completely understand how horrible that is, but the man has grown up now and is a billionaire Superhero.

Vito Corleone from the Godfather lost all of his family, including seeing his Mother's death and yet he grew up and lived in America, became a Mafia Boss, killed the man who killed his family, and yet he still ended up making a new Family and secure of future for the Corleone name. I don't see Vito still saying "Darkness, No Parents"

Keep in mind Vito is not Batman, and everybody deals with trauma and tragedy in their own way.

 

[Natemans]

Supes takes it personally because Darkseid can hurt him and will be unrepentent about anything, which is something he can't accept. It's not personal. Darkseid only singles out Superman because he has no intention of letting any being defy him. He's only singled out by him in the sense that everybody else dies or serves.

More like he knew Darkseid would stab them in the back which is exactly what happened in the episode that clip is from.

I kinda find Bruce "DARKNESS!! DEAD PARENTS!!!" Wayne telling Superman to "get over it" just a bit hypocritical.

Can we have a Batman that finally got over his trauma of his parents dying in front of him and moved on?

The whole "Why do you say that name" and "Darkness, No Parents" thing is symptom of larger problem of Batman writing, he cares too much to the point that becomes an annoying charcater flaw and a stupid weakness and people thinks Kryptonite is dumb.

Bruce its been decades already, move on and get a wife, start a family, and think of the future instead of dwelling in the past.

He can't because there would be no more Batman, that's the entire driving point of his character.

Well in my case its character driving point that has been run into the ground and if anything it makes come off as a baby.

And yes I know the man lost his mother and father to murder I completely understand how horrible that is, but the man has grown up now and is a billionaire Superhero.

Vito Corleone from the Godfather lost all of his family, including seeing his Mother's death and yet he grew up and lived in America, became a Mafia Boss, killed the man who killed his family, and yet he still ended up making a new Family and secure of future for the Corleone name. I don't see Vito still saying "Darkness, No Parents"

Keep in mind Vito is not Batman, and everybody deals with trauma and tragedy in their own way.

Heck, in an odd change of comparison for tone, Spider-Man lost his Uncle Ben and just like Batman, uses the death of a loved one as a motivation to make their life better for themselves. Though Spider-Man is not as dark as Batman is and both work under different ways of ideologies.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Supes takes it personally because Darkseid can hurt him and will be unrepentent about anything, which is something he can't accept. It's not personal. Darkseid only singles out Superman because he has no intention of letting any being defy him. He's only singled out by him in the sense that everybody else dies or serves.

More like he knew Darkseid would stab them in the back which is exactly what happened in the episode that clip is from.

I kinda find Bruce "DARKNESS!! DEAD PARENTS!!!" Wayne telling Superman to "get over it" just a bit hypocritical.

Can we have a Batman that finally got over his trauma of his parents dying in front of him and moved on?

The whole "Why do you say that name" and "Darkness, No Parents" thing is symptom of larger problem of Batman writing, he cares too much to the point that becomes an annoying charcater flaw and a stupid weakness and people thinks Kryptonite is dumb.

Bruce its been decades already, move on and get a wife, start a family, and think of the future instead of dwelling in the past.

Snyder at least played it like an actual flaw unlike most Batman scribes. Hell, he even pointed out that Bruce's obsessive and paranoid nature was a result of a pointless war on crime rather than his default personality.

Too bad Snyder's idea might have been decent, however execution is...lacking.


I legit almost left the theater after that scene. Truly, some of the worst writing I have ever seen.

No matter what you say man, to this day I still believe that Comic Books themselves has gotten away with far, FAR worse.

That scene was nothing compared to the shit I have already.

 

[Natemans]

Supes takes it personally because Darkseid can hurt him and will be unrepentent about anything, which is something he can't accept. It's not personal. Darkseid only singles out Superman because he has no intention of letting any being defy him. He's only singled out by him in the sense that everybody else dies or serves.

More like he knew Darkseid would stab them in the back which is exactly what happened in the episode that clip is from.

I kinda find Bruce "DARKNESS!! DEAD PARENTS!!!" Wayne telling Superman to "get over it" just a bit hypocritical.

Can we have a Batman that finally got over his trauma of his parents dying in front of him and moved on?

The whole "Why do you say that name" and "Darkness, No Parents" thing is symptom of larger problem of Batman writing, he cares too much to the point that becomes an annoying charcater flaw and a stupid weakness and people thinks Kryptonite is dumb.

Bruce its been decades already, move on and get a wife, start a family, and think of the future instead of dwelling in the past.

Snyder at least played it like an actual flaw unlike most Batman scribes. Hell, he even pointed out that Bruce's obsessive and paranoid nature was a result of a pointless war on crime rather than his default personality.

Too bad Snyder's idea might have been decent, however execution is...lacking.


I legit almost left the theater after that scene. Truly, some of the worst writing I have ever seen.

No matter what you say man, to this day I still believe that Comic Books themselves has gotten away with far, FAR worse.

That scene was nothing compared to the shit I have already.

I don't know. I found the Martha moment way more insulting than OMD. Doesn't make OMD better because its utter, utter garbage. Thanks, Joe Quesada, you hack.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Supes takes it personally because Darkseid can hurt him and will be unrepentent about anything, which is something he can't accept. It's not personal. Darkseid only singles out Superman because he has no intention of letting any being defy him. He's only singled out by him in the sense that everybody else dies or serves.

More like he knew Darkseid would stab them in the back which is exactly what happened in the episode that clip is from.

I kinda find Bruce "DARKNESS!! DEAD PARENTS!!!" Wayne telling Superman to "get over it" just a bit hypocritical.

Can we have a Batman that finally got over his trauma of his parents dying in front of him and moved on?

The whole "Why do you say that name" and "Darkness, No Parents" thing is symptom of larger problem of Batman writing, he cares too much to the point that becomes an annoying charcater flaw and a stupid weakness and people thinks Kryptonite is dumb.

Bruce its been decades already, move on and get a wife, start a family, and think of the future instead of dwelling in the past.

Snyder at least played it like an actual flaw unlike most Batman scribes. Hell, he even pointed out that Bruce's obsessive and paranoid nature was a result of a pointless war on crime rather than his default personality.

Too bad Snyder's idea might have been decent, however execution is...lacking.


I legit almost left the theater after that scene. Truly, some of the worst writing I have ever seen.

No matter what you say man, to this day I still believe that Comic Books themselves has gotten away with far, FAR worse.

That scene was nothing compared to the shit I have already.

I don't know. I found the Martha moment way more insulting than OMD. Doesn't make OMD better because its utter, utter garbage. Thanks, Joe Quesada, you hack.

Its not just One More Day and using a DC angle, this:

https://youtu.be/lSrO1puobWQ?t=7m3s

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

And if we need to use BATMAN as an example

 

[Natemans]

And if we need to use BATMAN as an example

Honestly I put Batfleck on par with Crazy Steve because both are a bunch of deranged psychopaths that kill and murder criminals with no thought or guilt. As for the JLA: Act of God, well, same thing can be applied to BvS. A movie that is pretentious about the ideals of God or religion, but doesn't delve deeply into it and completely just a hard-on for Batman fanfiction.