Is EA Really That Evil?

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DEAD34345

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EA is evil, 100% pure and distilled evil. They've actually done an awful lot of shitty things, but I could get over most of them, maybe. However, they also killed Bullfrog, and Dungeon Keeper 3 with it. For that they can never be forgiven. Ever.

Horny had a noble dream. He was going to reach the surface, bringing war, anthrax and cannibalism to the masses. EA put an end to all of that though, and now citizens are left to live in a world without gripes or moans, where floppy-eared bunnies hop around on fresh green fields, and innocent children are not punished for non-existent crimes. It sickens me to this very day.
 

Andy Shandy

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Depends who you're comparing them to, and "evil" is a bit dramatic in any case.

Comparing them to other game companies, they are definitely one of the more amoral companies, particularly when it comes to buying and then subsequently shutting down development studios.

Compared to other companies outwith the gaming medium though, they're nigh on saintly compared to what others have done (which is why them winning "Worst Company in America" irritates me slightly)
 

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"Evil" is profoundly hyperbolic, but I think you knew that. Are they a good company? They have certainly done some things that are shady and a great number of things that were simply profoundly stupid, but at the end of the day they make games that I enjoy, which is more than I can say for companies like Crapcom, Konami, and Activision.
 

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Evil no not really, all EA does is simply act as a bad business releasing shitty products and creating bad policies it is just that people on the internet like to act as if these are the greatest atrocities ever committed in human history and that company should be vilified for such actions. Yes the company should be looked down upon but it is a bit over dramatic to call them "Evil".
 

Vigormortis

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Evil?

No. Electronic Arts is not 'evil'. Anyone making such a claim needs a serious dose of perspective. (and a dictionary)


More than occasionally incompetent, greedy even by corporate standards, manipulative, perpetual "disseminators" of lies, slander, and half-truths, unconcerned with costumer complaints (provided they don't eat into profit margins), and more often than not the originators and "perpetuators" of some of the worst business practices in the industry?

Oh yes. Very much yes.
 

MeChaNiZ3D

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Well...yes.

They champion anti-consumer practises to the point where in several statements they have shown a mentality where they see it as justifiable or even desirable. Microtransactions and online shackling, for example. They have also in a rather parasitic and reliable fashion ruined series and their creating studios. And then there's Origin, spyware DRM hostage-taking bullshit that shows how out of touch EA is, to think they can compete with Steam with their corporate profit-driven attitude. Say what you will, Valve does good by its community and Steam is sometimes a steal.
 

Bat Vader

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I don't find EA evil. They may make business or financial decisions that I and other disagree with but that doesn't make them evil. I prefer EA over both Activision and Ubisoft because more of their games appeal to me than Activions's or Ubisoft's do.

Plus Origin isn't that all that bad at least to me anyway. It isn't as good as Steam but I have not had any problems with Origin and I am not going to dislike something that hasn't caused me problems.
 

synobal

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With in the spectrum of "video game publishing" ya EA is rather bad, but outside of that they are no worse than any other corporation.
 

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BloatedGuppy said:
First, define "evil". EA is a publicly traded company. They are functionally amoral. They have repeatedly prioritized profit over serving the needs or desires of their customers (or, in some widely publicized situations, the health and welfare of their staff). Naturally, this has done nothing to endear them to anyone outside their shareholders. And as their vaguely customer-hostile stance has been hypothetically robbing them of some profit and getting them a lot of bad press in recent years, it's probably not endearing them to their shareholders, either.

I think "Is EA Really That Stupid" would be a more informative and on point discussion.
Nail, meet head.

As customers, EA really doesn't do "evil" things to us. If they want to overcharge, to try to pimp Origin, to buy out other companies, to buy into DLC and sequelisation, that's entirely fine. That's their mandate as a business. We can choose simply not to buy our LUXURY HOBBY PRODUCTS. I mean, geeze, they aren't a supermarket chain using greenfield acquisitions and predatory pricing to destroy competition before raising their prices on a captive market. We can just go without. And EA doesn't even have the majority of the market anyway.

They do stupid things. Non-functioning DRM(Specifically, Simcity's always online BS that they didn't purchase enough server space for, even though through digital keys and preorders, they had more than the data to work out the demand, and having seen the fuckup that was Diablo 3's launch) that annoys consumers: Stupid. Half-finished games released on a poorly set deadline to beat CoD out the gates? Stupid. Buying out studios with popular franchises, gutting them, and then mothballing their IP? STUPID. Dissing Steam Sales as "Devaluing IP"(Know what really devalues IP? Marketing Battlefield, one of the biggest shooter franchises, and most beloved of hardcore online shooter fans, by trying to troll CoD, rather than on it's own strengths, or to it's own, ridiculously hardcore fanbase. By making the motto "Only in Battlefield". Because there's nowhere else we can go for this *cough* CoD *cough* Red Orchestra *cough* Halo *cough* goddamn shooters are everywhere my special snowflake. Or by taking Simcity, a gaming classic, and turning it into an unplayable mess, souring customers on the brand. Or by taking Dead Space and making it into a Gears clone shooter.)? STUPID. Saying they won't use sales on their digital platform? MOTHERFUCKING STUPID. Backflipping on this, and presumably, devaluing IP in the process? Insanely stupid. EA is leaving money on the table in fuckup after fuckup. And their financial situation is showing it. And instead of trying a different tack, they double down on their screwups. Guess we just need more CoD-clone shooters, Medal of Honor musn't have been the exact right one, we'll just throw some more millions at it. Guess we just need to release earlier. Guess we just need to tell customers we want to nickel and dime them through a "service" model.

EA isn't trying to be "evil". It's trying to make money(OH NOES I'M A CORPORATE APOLOGIST HURR DURR). The real problem is, they're really bad at it. They're stupid, and they annoy the customer. Annoying your customer isn't a good way to make money, but you can make money out of it, if you do it right(Case in point: Advertising). They just are bad at it. They're stupid because they've managed to gain less money, while annoying their customers more. Contrast, say, Steam, where people happily buy into DRM because they get massively discounted games, and a functioning social system that ties into the server system for many games (Origins being a broken cesspit, which then, for half their games, also wants a "Battlelog" account, with seperate friends). Contrast 2K, who realised that xCom had a market, and decided to make more entries into the franchise, and upon hearing poor fan reaction to the proposed shooter, made a tactical game, which was much cheaper than an over the top, not going to knock CoD off the top, Shooter, and made bank.

Captcha: "take it all".

Oddly appropriate.
 

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the hidden eagle said:
barbzilla said:
I would say they are trying to right their wrongs now that Kotick is gone, but I do think they are still a company with a huge overhead and will likely participate in some underhanded practices from time to time to ensure their wealth. As for being the bastion of evil that is so reviled around here, I think it stems from a period of really poor PR choices from them over the past 4 years (or so) with Kotick (am I spelling his name right?) at the head of the corporation, and their habit of buying up successful game studios who subsequently start pushing out games faster and faster with lower and lower quality. That said, how much of the push was on the part of EA telling them what to do, and how much was the smaller company wanting a larger taste of what was at the table is largely up for debate.

In short, they are just like any other massive corporation, gaming or otherwise. They have goals, ambitions, and large overheads, so they tend to end up with this obsession with larger and larger numbers that can sometimes lead to poor choices. EA made quite a few of these in recent years and as such seem to be pretty much top of everyone's poop list. As for my personal feelings, I think they are doing a good job at trying to restructure the way they do business to still remain profitable without screwing over as many customers.
Bobby Kotick is head of Activision,John Riccitello was the one you're talking about.
Yes, thank you very much. I knew something felt off, for some reason I thought it was the spelling, but that's what happens when you drink and post.
 

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I wouldn't call EA "evil", but they do have some questionable business methods. But when it really comes down to it, they're a business, and they do anything that they believe can make a profit.

I wouldn't call that evil. Dick-ish maybe, but not evil.
 

Joccaren

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Evil?
That's a word that implies morality, which doesn't really play into this.
Hated?
That's a lot easier.

EA aren't hated 'cause they're evil, the anti-christ, satan incarnate, the one who will bring about the apocalypse and who strives to do immoral things. They're hated because they are anti-consumer in many of their practices, and downright stupid to the extent that it hurts their consumers in others.

Lets run through a few of their known blunders shall we?

Ruining franchises. Whether the devs say it was them or not, there is a fairly clear trend that upon joining EA, many great development teams begin making rather shit games. Afterwards, the studios are shut down and the great games people loved from them are never heard from again. Amazingly often, this seems to be in order to try to appeal to a more 'casual' CoD styled market. No matter what the game is. Whether you agree with them or not, a large part of the community and fans of these SERIES will agree that the quality of the games went down the shitter in their latter installments; Dragon Age [2 was poorly received by fans of Origins], Mass Effect [3 was poorly received by a LOT of people], Command and Conquer [Pretty sure it was the latter Tyberium Saga games or whathaveyou that were poorly received], Sim City [The most recent one was an absolute flop]. There are also plenty that whilst they haven't had a majorly offensive [To the fans] game yet, are losing their tract with their original audience due to the direction EA is taking them - Battlefield [Always been a big fan of the Battlefield series. Haven't touched 4, according to friends who are like me, despite having Commander Mode back its more CoD than BF3 was, and that's saying something], KotOR [Whilst there are many that don't mind it, and those who actually thought it was decent before it went F2P, most will agree that SW:TOR was not what they wanted out of KotOR 3], The Sims [Almost everyone I talk to who plays the Sims prefers 2 over 3. 3 lost me, and several of my friends, however its still regarded as a decent game by some, rather than utterly horrible], Dead Space [3 was widely criticised for basically ruining the horror and introducing microtransactions. There are also many that disagree with this]. Basically, anything EA touches slowly turns to crap. Great Studios like Westwood, Origin Studios, Bullfrog and tens of others have been bought, ruined, and shut down by EA, and people are expecting the same of studios like Bioware and Maxis at this point, as a result of their recent releases.

DRM. EA is possibly the worst DRM user outside Ubisoft. Maybe even worse, IDK. Always online DRM, grasping onto Securom for as long as they could, at times limited number of installs for games - they don't have the best record for being non-DRM, and the DRM NEVER freaking worked. It would always fuck up in some way or another, destroying the experience of paying customers, and encouraging people to pirate simply to avoid said DRM, which causes more DRM to be put on in a failed attempt to stop the pirates, making the experience even worse for the paying customer. Despite evidence that would point to removing DRM getting you more sales [Yes, probably also more pirated copies as well, but if you're getting more sales its still a plus], they cling onto the anti-consumer practice until they realise they've not only shot themselves in the foot, but also the leg and have the gun to their heart about to pull the trigger. Only when a game is midway through dying will they remove the DRM from it, to try and say "Yeah, we listen, please come play again so we can sell you DLC". Obviously, that doesn't work.

DLC. Second only to Capcom... Ok, they aren't that bad, but they're bad. Mass Effect. At launch of Mass Effect 2 I count no fewer than 5 DLC packs available as a part of "Project $10" or W/E it was called. Mass Effect 3 launch, Prothean DLC that many count as critical to the plot, even though IMO its not, was sold as a continuation of the same incentive. Online passes. Whilst this doesn't personally affect me, many console players take issue with it as it means they can't get the full experience out of a second hand game. It also runs into the usual problems of DRM not working, locking new-game purchasing customers out of content they are entitled to by purchase because EA is incompetent. The prices on their post-release DLC are also quite high, but I don't care as I don't buy that stuff anymore. If the cost is stupid then I'm not touching it.

Terrible Customer Relations. When there was outrage over the ME3 ending, what was EAs reaction? "You just don't get it", "Artistic Integrity", and a bunch of other bullshit generally focused around insulting those who didn't like the ending, rather than at least being polite about saying they get what they got. Some good management of the situation here would have gone a long way. Instead, we get videos like these; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5Oh76SiHzs popping up, and retaliation insults against the development team, which escalated the whole issue beyond what it needed to be. Eventually, after a good 3-6 months of pushing, we got an 'Extended Cut' DLC announced, and finally released. EAs advertising has constantly been off-base and tasteless as well, such as the "You're mum won't like it" Dead Space 2 advertising campaign. They often make it abundantly clear that they don't care what their consumers think, only their shareholders, and its one of the things people hate about them.

Of course, this does seem to be changing with the new CEO. Its looked like it'd change before and it hasn't, so I'm taking it all with a grain of salt, but ATM EA does seem to be IMPROVING. Slightly. It'll take until the next few game releases to see for sure.
 

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the hidden eagle said:
Vigormortis said:
Evil?

No. Electronic Arts is not 'evil'. Anyone making such a claim needs a serious dose of perspective. (and a dictionary)


More than occasionally incompetent, greedy even by corporate standards, manipulative, perpetual "disseminators" of lies, slander, and half-truths, unconcerned with costumer complaints (provided they don't eat into profit margins), and more often than not the originators and "perpetuators" of some of the worst business practices in the industry?

Oh yes. Very much yes.
I find it funny how some people tell others to get some perspective when they often lack it themselves(like getting mad over a online award for one).EA has done some extremely dickish things over the years that if they were'nt a game company where some people give a free pass to be absolute assholes to their customers because they are just a "game company" then EA would find themselves in trouble for their anti consumer practices.
Wait...

Are you agreeing with my post or are you telling me I'm being hypocritical?

I'm confused.
 

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I wouldn't say that they're oil company evil, but they're certainly game industry evil.
 

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EA is more douchey than evil. The problem is that they're repeat offenders when it comes to being douchey and a lot of people have lost patience with them. They claim they're trying to turn over a new leaf and to their credit they have taken a few steps in the right direction, but they've got a lot of douchebag moments to make up for.
 

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Well they caused Ultima 7 pt 2 to be fired out incomplete. Then Ultima 8 was a mess of inserted "action gameplay". Then Ultima 9 wasn't even playable or completable out the door (This was partially due to jumping on the 3d wagon too early though, which may not have been EA's meddling).

Bought out Bullfrog, killed Dungeon Keeper immediately, which was another of my favorite series.

Simcity started seeing some serious decline under EA's watch, and all the other Simlines except The Sims (a perpetual cash cow of expansion packs, and sort of the early specter of overpriced DLC junk) vanished.

Tiberian Sun was really a mess, though RA2, Generals, and even C&C 3 didn't seem too bad. Then they put the nail in Westwood for good with that mess of junk pretending to be a C&C 4.

The massive cutback (or if not that, massive overhyping, and near blatant false marketing) on Spore's advertised features they were touting up in press conferences and teasers, and the whole SecuROM scandal was prettymuch where I cut off EA completely.

I'm sure their yearly release of barely improved Madden games had its share of influence on some of the later similar scheduling amongst big names.
 

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LaSelaMelvins said:
Firstly, welcome to the community.

Now on to business. The short answer is, yes. The long answer is, yyyyyeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssss!!!!!!!
In all seriousness EA has been the harbinger of doom for the gaming community. They have pioneered and standardized most of the practices that work to fuck consumers in today's market. Not to mention that they...