That's the guy.Ishal said:
Like so many of D&D's additions, he was absolutely fucking ridiculous. Say what you will about GRRM's pacing and scope issues, he's not a complete incompetent. I wish I could say as much for the showrunners.
Is game of thrones a bit shit?
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Like so many of D&D's additions, he was absolutely fucking ridiculous. Say what you will about GRRM's pacing and scope issues, he's not a complete incompetent. I wish I could say as much for the showrunners.
Well its not horrible. Just not that great. Basically its a heroes tale mixed in with a bunch of political stuff that meanders all over the place, because politics are only interesting if you agree with somebody or if you can see all the sides and doublecrosses.
Basically, its a medieval soap opera with a really good budget and sets. That's not a bad thing, and it can actually be pretty refreshing after so many shows that are monster of the week or endless laugh tracks, but it is what it is. There is a ceiling for how good a soap opera can be.
Basically, its a medieval soap opera with a really good budget and sets. That's not a bad thing, and it can actually be pretty refreshing after so many shows that are monster of the week or endless laugh tracks, but it is what it is. There is a ceiling for how good a soap opera can be.
They've been doing that since Arya met Syrio and started training. Though it was less overt back then.BloatedGuppy said:
He speaks of the Westeros dance "Hacking and hammering!" They don't hack or hammer. For narrative purposes they try to make it different, but the style of Jamie Lannister wouldn't be so different from water dancing. Doubly so for someone like Barristan. The thrust is the most basic, and yet still one of the most effective ways to attack with a sword. The only people who would hack or hammer are fighters with flanged maces, or warhammers like what King Robert was said to have used.
When the Hound mocks Arya by talking about how Maryn Trant defeated Syrio by having "armor and a big fucking sword" I can't help but think they're setting it up so that Arya can overcome that and kill someone like that in her style. It just doesn't work that way. A sword isn't going to get through full plate.
If it isn't yet then it's certainly headed there at a rate of knots.
"So, we've got to try and pack a ton of material into a relatively short amount of screen time. Man, this is gonna be tough. Any ideas?"
"Yup. Add more stuff of of our own invention of noticeably inferior quality!"
"Brilliant!"
"So, we've got to try and pack a ton of material into a relatively short amount of screen time. Man, this is gonna be tough. Any ideas?"
"Yup. Add more stuff of of our own invention of noticeably inferior quality!"
"Brilliant!"
Frankly I've sat through all but the last season of Mad Men, and it's a freaking snore fest. At least Game of Thrones, for all its flaws, makes me give a shit as to what is going on.BloatedGuppy said:
Honestly, when you get down to it odds are there are very few things out there that you can't spend hours picking apart. People say Shakespeare is genius when a good chunk of his plots rely on people suddenly being magically in the right place at the right times. Really when people say something is of quality, they don't mean a lack of flaws, it just means they're willing to overlook the flaws because they like the rest so much.
Mad Men isn't a particularly salacious show, but it's extraordinarily well made.erttheking said:
I trust you are one of the viewers of GoT who got bored when Arya's S5 storyline was "dragging" when she'd been on screen for five minutes and not turned into a master swordswoman? =P
No. I was the person who got bored when I was five seasons into mad men and I didn't give a single solitary fuck about any of the characters.BloatedGuppy said:
I actually think Ayra's story line is well paced thank you very much.
Hahahaha I'm just giving you a rough time, King.erttheking said:
Really I'm glad you're enjoying season 5. Someone has to.
Sorry. Lot of drama going on IRL and I'm a little on edge.BloatedGuppy said:
Oh don't get me wrong, I feel the earlier seasons were a lot better. I hear about the things they've changed and I'm not happy about it. I still think seasons 5 is good, but...well let's just say I'm reading the books now.
The series has it's issues, but so do the books. Nothing is perfect. If you think the series is a bit shit, that's fine. I disagree, but I'm also not some rabid fan of it. I enjoy it, and I enjoy seeing where the story is going. That's enough for me.
Frankly, I think the books and the show are both pretty bad. They've covered up that low quality with cheap titillation for longer than they have had any right to. Pacing is shit, there's no respect for the audience, and the setting falls pretty flat once you realize that all the interesting parts of it get sidelined immediately. Some decent characters can't make up for all that.
It's all good. I'm not having the best day either, if it helps. =\erttheking said:
I'd be VERY interested to know your thoughts after reading the books. People tend to 'attach' to whatever version they see/read first and view it as canon, but the show version is so much shallower and sillier I'd be fascinated to see a "show loyal" person compare it to the books.
The too many characters thing is a very personal "bad thing"babinro said:
And I'm sad to say to me it always comes up as sort of I suppose a less interested pose or perhaps a lack of intelligence or an attention deficit?
I'm not saying this to be mean but I know plenty of people who could easily keep up with the series and books and who have no problems with remembering everyone whilst the only people I've heard complain about the number of characters either were 1 not invested in the story or 2 didn't understand a lot of the story anyway.
Eh, as a book reader, the omission of/combination of characters from the books doesn't bother me too much. Books are far less bound by the "show, don't tell" rule than tv series, which couples with the real-life difficulty of maintaining actors for bit parts who can reliably be called back every once in a blue moon those bit parts are active to make it okay with me if they decide to have, say, Bronn and Jaime head to Dorne instead of Balon Swann, or having it outright be Jaquen H'gar that Arya meets. Though having Jaime go to Dorne does create its own problem, considering what he's supposed to be doing is a lot more important for his character development, but eh.
As to the warging... most of that was done by Bran... and I'm not gonna lie: when I was reading through the books, ever single time a Bran chapter came up I would groan. His story was by far the most bland and archetypal of all the story threads, so I have absolutely no qualms with missing out on warging if it means less of that.
Can't defend the original show runner stories, though. The "fookin LEGEND of Gin Town" pretty much reveals why I'm a bit tepid about those. GRRM has his flaws as a writer, no doubt, but at least his characters have layers. A few complete monsters like Joffery or Ramsay roam about, sure, but for the most part the reader can see some good in the bad guys, and some bad in the good... Then the show runners throw in a filler character, and he drinks wine from skulls before ordering his followers to rape people to death. >.<
On the whole, I haven't really had a problem with season 5 so far. Not the best, but not the worst either (that still falls with the way the series handled book 2/season 2 for me.)
Edit: Just realized I was spelling Jaime's name wrong. DX
As to the warging... most of that was done by Bran... and I'm not gonna lie: when I was reading through the books, ever single time a Bran chapter came up I would groan. His story was by far the most bland and archetypal of all the story threads, so I have absolutely no qualms with missing out on warging if it means less of that.
Can't defend the original show runner stories, though. The "fookin LEGEND of Gin Town" pretty much reveals why I'm a bit tepid about those. GRRM has his flaws as a writer, no doubt, but at least his characters have layers. A few complete monsters like Joffery or Ramsay roam about, sure, but for the most part the reader can see some good in the bad guys, and some bad in the good... Then the show runners throw in a filler character, and he drinks wine from skulls before ordering his followers to rape people to death. >.<
On the whole, I haven't really had a problem with season 5 so far. Not the best, but not the worst either (that still falls with the way the series handled book 2/season 2 for me.)
Edit: Just realized I was spelling Jaime's name wrong. DX
Funny you should mention that: I recently read the first book then watched the first season and I was shocked at how faithful it was to it (only cutting stuff out, not really adding stuff in), and now I'm doing the same with the second book/season and... BETRAYAL. What the hell are they making changes for? Why is it so important to have the Arya investigation be significantly less uplifting and well, good, for the sake of the camera? Probably because of the show's fascination with sexuality I guess.BloatedGuppy said:
Yep, first season was VERY loyal. Not entirely (y u cut Sansa and Hound, show, y? y u do dis?) but for the most part. Deviations started piling up after that.Evonisia said:
If you think season 2 is bad just you wait. It gets absolutely ridiculous later on. And virtually without exception, the deviations make absolutely no sense.
I had a chance to see a bit, and tried to read the first book... I can't stand either, they're both pretty shit in my opinion. The South Park Trilogy of episodes on it was pretty damn funny though.
Watch the show, haven't read the books. Not entirely sure I want to, not because I don't enjoy the series, but because I'm not sure I can muster up the willpower to tackle another heavyweight fantasy series. Maybe one of these days... preferably when it is finished.
As for it being "a bit shit," well, what isn't, really? But maybe I'm just weird. I'm one of those people that think the Lord of the Rings movies blow the books out of the water - I'm sure there's some kind of fantasy dungeon down in hell with my name on it.
As for it being "a bit shit," well, what isn't, really? But maybe I'm just weird. I'm one of those people that think the Lord of the Rings movies blow the books out of the water - I'm sure there's some kind of fantasy dungeon down in hell with my name on it.
That was my reaction too!Ishal said:
He's described as a cut-throat, why does that make him a fighter? He slits peoples throats in a slum, that means he lacks morals, not that he's a fucking ninja. Jon's been trained by Knights and Master's at Arms since childhood. He's got a bastard sword, and has all of the reach on his opponent. Daggers are pretty shit for parrying. I mean come on. It all looked so stupid.