Is gaming culture really ready for games to be considered art.

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I fully agree with Reven. Except I am not really worried about the culture as a hole if we can change our internal conversations the culture will change eventually. Nor I am not jumping down and saying take my hobby seriously because its art. What I am saying is that if developers and gamers want this to be considered art they have to hold games to a higher standard. I think we should all want that regardless of are personal opinions on games as art since it should make for better games.

I don't like the idea of "holding games to a higher standard", I like the idea of "holding artsy games to a higher standard". This kindof thinking leads to attacks on certain games not deemed art, "look at that new DoA game, boobs, it's bringing down gaming as a whole!", well look at any other genre, Piranha 3D didn't bring down movies as a whole, crap romantic books don't bring down people's opinion of The Raven, ect ect.

The true issue is most games labeled as "artsy" these days are either shit or just not fun, this does much more damage then the gaming culture or boob physics will ever do. If my friend passed me a game and said "dude this is a great art game" I'd already think "oh this will be about as much fun has hanging out in Starbucks debating the merits of the new apple product", not "oh wow I'm going to have an afternoon full of fun playing this!".

I don't play games for art, modern art is boring, camp, useless little turds of the worthless surrealist movement. Maybe I'm jaded from from working in an art museum for a few years, but the only art I want in my games is pretty buildings, interesting sky boxes, and a nice beat.

I actually agree with you on modern art and things that go out of their way to be "artsy".I had not thought about the tendency for snobbery before you had pointed that out. I see your point about people taking the idea to the negative of and taking the your "bringing down gaming as a whole argument" to things like DoA. I really have no problem games like DoA or films like Piranha they are both perfect examples of of there genres. In there own way they are much closer to perfection then many films and games that try hard to have some deeper meaning but fail to be good games or films, because the aforementioned game and film set small simple goals and achieve them to the fullest extent.

My real problem is when people say thing like the story sucked and getting the reply of what do you expect its just a video game or the developers throwing out that its art as an excuse for poor choices on their part. These should not be excuses and I think we need to acknowledge more when a game provides a trite predictable story that has gigantic plot holes in it.

 

[antipope]

I think you're probably right.
I also think that you should replace all the instances of 'there' in your post with 'their.'

Thank you for pointing out the their and there mistakes, that is a bad habit of mine that I don't often catch my self(Clearly because I would have fixed them if I caught them.) and since we can't improve in the future and fix our mistakes unless they are pointed out I do truly think you for the reminder to check for that.

 

[somonels]

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Games aren't art, those who disagree will simply be shot in front of their families.

Why did I bring up Clarkson? Because games are as artistic as pavement.

 

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Games aren't art, those who disagree will simply be shot in front of their families.

Why did I bring up Clarkson? Because games are as artistic as pavement.

You are aware that floor mosaics are pavement,as are beautiful garden paths and the patterned streets and side walks that are so popular in many downtown and historical sections of cities? Just because something is meant to be functional dose not mean it must me ugly. There is always room to aspire even in something so common as to be walked and driven on every day. All I ask is that we not limit ourselves to simple strips of asphalt.

 

[getoffmycloud]

Can't we just call it 'Artistic Entertainment' and be done with it?

Not quite the Mona Lisa, not quite flinging dog poop over the neighbors fence (preferably into their pool).. but somewhere in between.

I don't think your doing flinging dog poop into the neighbours pool justice with that comment there is no greater art form than that.

 

[somonels]

Games aren't art, those who disagree will simply be shot in front of their families.

Why did I bring up Clarkson? Because games are as artistic as pavement.

You are aware that floor mosaics are pavement,as are beautiful garden paths and the patterned streets and side walks that are so popular in many downtown and historical sections of cities? Just because something is meant to be functional dose not mean it must me ugly. There is always room to aspire even in something so common as to be walked and driven on every day. All I ask is that we not limit ourselves to simple strips of asphalt.

I'd honestly have the 10% of nice pavement dug up rather than give the 90% any reason to it's anything more than ugly, foul, ethically unappealing and existing solely for the demand for their functionality.

 

[Olas]

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I'VE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS "ARE GAMES ART?" FOOLISHNESS.

There's literally never been a good consensus on what the term art actually means. Every type of human creation that has ever existed has been considered art by someone at some time. Nothing has ever not been art.
[a href="http://moca.virtual.museum/shrager/blues.jpg"]This[/a] work of art was drawn by a computer.
[a href="http://cdn.trustedpartner.com/images/library/SaveTheChimps2010/catalog/artbyfreddyLARGE.jpg"]This[/a] work of art was drawn by a chimpanzee.
[a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fountain_(Duchamp)"]This[/a] work of art was originally made to be peed in.
[a href="http://media.log-in.ru/i/bodyart9.jpg"]This[/a] artwork incorporates a living human being.
So does [a href="http://www.vrdc.org/kelly.jpg"]this[/a] one.
[a href="http://pix.avaxnews.com/avaxnews/7e/15/0000157e_medium.jpeg"]This[/a] one doesn't.
[a href="http://wwwwwwwww.jodi.org/"]This[/a] artwork is a website.
[a href="http://swick.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Garbage%20Art/Garbage%20Art%2002_Shadows.jpg"]This[/a] art is a pile of garbage.
And [a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artist's_shit"]this[/a] one is literally a can of shit.

Any discussion about whether anything is "art" is absurd because the word has been placed on virtually every type of human creation that has ever existed. If all these things can be art, video games shouldn't even be up for discussion.

 

[MasochisticAvenger]

You want to know one of the main reasons gaming isn't viewed as a legitimate art form? Because we, as gamers, keep trying to demand it be treated as an art form. It's the equivalent of a little kid demanding everyone treat them like an adult, no one is going to take them seriously. The only way we're going to advance forward is to stop caring what other people think of video games.

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

Games can be art.

This thread has been done a million times.

/end of

 

[mysecondlife]

To me, art is a subjective term.

I don't consider all games to be art, just like I don't consider all films to be art as well.

 

[Chairman Miaow]

STOP IT! STOP IT RIGHT NOW! I hate to be that guy but use the F'#ing search function! Normally I would forgive this kind of thing, but come on! How many of these threads are we going to have which always devolve into semantics and pointless stubbornness?

 

[bafrali]

Yeah i consider them as art.Prove me wrong.There is enough care and attention going into their development.They emotionally stimulate me and i consider myself a guy who can apreciate all kinds of art so yeah i am ready.The question is......are you?

 

[someonehairy-ish]

I think you're probably right.
I also think that you should replace all the instances of 'there' in your post with 'their.'

Thank you for pointing out the their and there mistakes, that is a bad habit of mine that I don't often catch my self(Clearly because I would have fixed them if I caught them.) and since we can't improve in the future and fix our mistakes unless they are pointed out I do truly think you for the reminder to check for that.

I usually don't nitpick things like that; people tend to get all annoyed for some reason, but it does kinda undermine you when you're trying to start a serious discussion.

On that note, you used the wrong 'hole', you want 'whole.' ^^