Is ganking girl gamers a bad thing?
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Well, ok then. Because I didn't take it at face value, I just spoke before checking facts. That's just generally stupidity, rather than not thinking critically. I totally think critically. After speaking. But before being called stupid, so I have that going for me.BloatedGuppy said:
Just wanted to point out that spamming emotes is indeed against the summoner's code and is a punishable offense.Verzin said:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=31839662#31839662
On Topic: At the end of the day while the intentions of the ganker might be reprehensible, does it really matter? Last I checked there's really no way for a person to know why they got ganked. I played the game from beta-cataclysm and you just chalk it up to the person being an ass and you move on.
I'd care more if PvP wasn't entirely voluntary. Whether he ganks because he has deep unresolved personal issues with women or because he just doesn't like the color of someone's hat is ultimately irrelevant in a space where reasons are superflous. That said, I seriously doubt he restricts his issues simply to PvP.
Okay, so he's not just targeting women because they are women. He's targeting women who present themselves on Livestream and seek out attention. It is obviously wrong for women to want attention, especially if they aren't good looking enough. Plus, those darn womenfolk are always trying to squeeze money out of honest god-fearing men of the internet. Whew, glad that's cleared up.
I think the thing that frightens me most is the amount of people in the comments of the article that think this is an actually valid reason to go out of your way to harass someone, and encourage others to do the same. As well as the amount of people who seem to think this is okay because they don't like feminists; as if the only way to deal with people of opposing views is to act like a complete goon and muscle their kind out of your preferred space. The unfortunate implications are staggering.
For the record, there's absolutely nothing wrong about ganking female players. It shouldn't even be something that registers, ideally, much less treated any differently. Whether they are male or female is meaningless in the context of pretty much every MMO, or online game. It is certainly a bad thing if you are specifically targeting women. It also applies to men, and people of any ethnicity, culture, religion, or even just individuals. This behavior for the sake of hateful purposes is simply sad.
I think the thing that frightens me most is the amount of people in the comments of the article that think this is an actually valid reason to go out of your way to harass someone, and encourage others to do the same. As well as the amount of people who seem to think this is okay because they don't like feminists; as if the only way to deal with people of opposing views is to act like a complete goon and muscle their kind out of your preferred space. The unfortunate implications are staggering.
For the record, there's absolutely nothing wrong about ganking female players. It shouldn't even be something that registers, ideally, much less treated any differently. Whether they are male or female is meaningless in the context of pretty much every MMO, or online game. It is certainly a bad thing if you are specifically targeting women. It also applies to men, and people of any ethnicity, culture, religion, or even just individuals. This behavior for the sake of hateful purposes is simply sad.
If the Kotaku article is true, this is indeed pretty ugly behaviour.
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Depending on someone's general attitude toward the author, some people will more readily believe that fake article than others though.BloatedGuppy said:
Singling out female players to kill and singling out female players to go out of your way not to kill is equally bad. Chivalry is a form of sexism, after all (unless universally applied regardless of the gender of whoever you're being chivalrous to).
So no, ganking female players isn't a bad thing, as long as you did not gank them because they're female, or because the refused to have cybersex with you or whatever bigoted reason. Killing an enemy player because they're part of an enemy faction, and therefore an enemy, well, that's free game, as long as you're not actively griefing.
So no, ganking female players isn't a bad thing, as long as you did not gank them because they're female, or because the refused to have cybersex with you or whatever bigoted reason. Killing an enemy player because they're part of an enemy faction, and therefore an enemy, well, that's free game, as long as you're not actively griefing.
If you're in a PVP game of any type, expect to be attacked by the enemy. It's that simple. That doesn't mean it's okay to single individuals out, though. There's a subset of gamers who have a tendency to be dicks towards women, and that's not cool.
but it fits my narrative, so I'm not even going to bother to fact check it.BloatedGuppy said:
Yeah, damn them for this ridiculous and fake article that she didn't write and they didn't publish. One day, when I rule the world, people will be forced to answer for the things I attribute to them that they never said!TreuloseTomate said:
The guys a sexist douchebag, this unfortunately is not uncommon. Youtube seem to have a stragly high population of idoits...at least I though it was youtube. TBH I'm not sure now, I'm starting to think people in general are just this shitty.
Sending offensive messages is not ok regardless of the cause. You can compete against someone with being a dick about it.
To answer the title question it?s bad if their doing specifically because a person is female (or of a specific race, age whatever). Being overly ?helpful? and not killing someone because they are female is also bad.
Sending offensive messages is not ok regardless of the cause. You can compete against someone with being a dick about it.
To answer the title question it?s bad if their doing specifically because a person is female (or of a specific race, age whatever). Being overly ?helpful? and not killing someone because they are female is also bad.
Far as I know, continually camping a specific group or individual is grounds for a harassment complaint.shrekfan246 said:
I started off on PvP realms too, and when I moved it wasn't by my own choice but rather that of my friends and guild, and my preference is still on PvP realms, as I feel the players there are generally more observant in PvE content too.
However, I've been subjected to the "goon squad" behavior before, by way of the graveyard spirit healer location and my corpse location being camped simultaneously, and if you're a player like me who likes the side-effects of open-PvP servers, but don't really care to do much more than defend yourself when talking about actually participating in PvP, that does get somewhat old.
Sure, it's possible to change to another toon. Or to try and kill them back, with a little help from friends.
But I've been in plenty of situations where such a thing simply wasn't an option, with groups of 40+ goons from organized PvP-specific guilds bringing the rain.
And even if I knew enough people who liked PvPing and as such were any good at it, what would be the point? I'd still be unable to do what I was doing, if I was helping fight back.
Getting killed is fine. It happens. Frankly, doing progression content in the earlier years of Classic and BC has made me immune to death-induced fits of rage. Hell, PvP-deaths don't even cost you anything but time, as opposed to PvE ones.
But there's a huge difference between someone killing you in passing, or because you're after the same rare-spawn or low-rate mobs that he is; and someone specifically targeting low-level players "for the lulz", because he isn't creative enough to have fun without it being at another persons expense.
It was fun and good spirits when people raided Southshore or Tarran Mill back in the day. Getting camped in the middle of no where, for no reason at all? Pretty pointless, for everyone involved.
Is there any reason you're bringing all this up now? I mean, the video was released in December 2012, and these articles were written in JanuaryNomanslander said:Back when I played WoW, this was a long ago, we use to like heading into PvP zones like Strangalthorn Vale and have a blast murdering each left and right and getting murdered back. But it seems like - at least from this video and an article from Kotaku, that it is just about as similar as harassment.
0.o
Now if a person does it for the sole purpose because the opposing player is a female. Then that dude has issues. But to call ganking similar to rape... well. I think you're starting to miss the point of video games in general, especially competitive ones.
Now ShrineNI, the guy that made video on how to go around finding gamer girls is an asshole. I got that idea after watching his videos. But then again what he's doing in the end - killing female players - isn't exactly what I call as harassment because EVERYONE does that in WoW to each other all the time. At least they did before the game was turned carebear but I'm not going to talk about that.
Hell, I remember being singled out by certain players in WoW many times when I'd quested in certain areas over a course of a few days. So was I being stalked too? I mean, if you don't like being ganked, games like these have PvE servers where you can't be "harassed" if you feel ganking is harassment.
I don't know, I guess what I'm getting at is is this a case of white knighting where gamers are taking a matter like this way too seriously just because some douchbag likes to single out female players. Or not?
If the guy was singling out female players and sending inappropriate messages to them. That there is definitely harassment by all its definition. But in a game where players stalk and murder each other all the time, is it wrong to do it then?
http://kotaku.com/5972869/faith-in-humanity-slowly-depleting-this-jerk-and-his-supporters-find-joy-in-harassing-women-gamers
Also I want to note I found the link to that article on Moviebob's blog The Overthinker. His opinion was less than favorable. Pretty much going so far as to make the man out to be the scum of the earth. I say the guy has issues, he isn't "evil!" lol:
http://gameoverthinker.blogspot.com/2013/01/i-dont-want-to-game-on-this-planet.html
I like to try the opposite, attempt to make my opponents ragequit after repeatedly dying and spamming "WHAY DONT YOU 1v1 ME FAGGGGOT"Verzin said:
Killing other players in WoW is great and entertaining. The bolded part however is creepy and frankly a bit pathetic.Able Seacat said:
Similarly, the girls don't need white knights to defend themselves I can quite easily come back with my pvp geared character with a posse to curb stomp him until it stops being funny but really...if the guys who are with the girls are accused of white knighting simply for defending them then that in itself is a tragedy...
Some the good players I know are men.
It's nowhere remotely similar to rape, which seems to be the underlying premise, and it's a ridiculous exaggeration to suggest that, but it is bad. Ignoring the difficulties of knowing who is a girl and who isn't, and ignoring other reasons one might be ganked, and basically skipping straight to the scenario where players are singled out on gender alone and ganked specifically for that, that's an abhorrent practice. Unless it isn't because they're a girl, and actually because the gankers perceive girls as being new to video games and gank because they are supposedly a new player rather than because they're a girl, in which case it is merely dickish. Although I'm not sure exactly how much gender-based ganking goes on, and have my doubts that it is a major problem or targeted at females.
Of what? The joke picture created by /v/? Which has been referenced 3-4 times on this very page as being a photoshop and not an actual article?MeChaNiZ3D said:
That's the only thing in any of this referring to rape.
simply, ganking girl gamers is not a bad thing, but what this guy does is just depressing.
not only does he specifically target woman and actively tries to ruin their fun in the game, he reasons its ok because the girl in question was an attention whore. he completely contradicts this with his strategy of how to find girls in the game. "girls love to do secondary professions" so he tells you to look for them at beaches (where they are fishing) "girls love to raid, but the high level raids are beyond them" so you should look at lower level raids (or easyer ones i think, im no WoW player).
he says he does this because they are attention whores that con lonely men out of their money, but he 'teaches' you ways to find random woman in the game...
and then i could talk about the stupidity of thinking all girls like cooking and fishing in WoW, which he literally says, or all girls love to raid. and the almost sickening arrogance of saying that the harder content is too difficult for girls really pisses me off. hell the one fanatic girl gamer i know (a rl friend) kicks my ass at pretty much everything she plays, although that could very well say more about me
not only does he specifically target woman and actively tries to ruin their fun in the game, he reasons its ok because the girl in question was an attention whore. he completely contradicts this with his strategy of how to find girls in the game. "girls love to do secondary professions" so he tells you to look for them at beaches (where they are fishing) "girls love to raid, but the high level raids are beyond them" so you should look at lower level raids (or easyer ones i think, im no WoW player).
he says he does this because they are attention whores that con lonely men out of their money, but he 'teaches' you ways to find random woman in the game...
and then i could talk about the stupidity of thinking all girls like cooking and fishing in WoW, which he literally says, or all girls love to raid. and the almost sickening arrogance of saying that the harder content is too difficult for girls really pisses me off. hell the one fanatic girl gamer i know (a rl friend) kicks my ass at pretty much everything she plays, although that could very well say more about me
I don't really get ganking.
So I'll ask this:
Is ganking girl gamers a bad thing?
According to basic equality standards, many of these "gender dilemmas" can be answered by removing the gender.
So I'll ask this:
Is ganking girl gamers a bad thing?
According to basic equality standards, many of these "gender dilemmas" can be answered by removing the gender.
That sounds hilarious, and I don't even play MMOs, so most of what you said was completely incomprehensible to me.shrekfan246 said: